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[Narmer]

I tried that on my friends 9700 today, couldn't get it to replicate.

Well, you weren't trying hard enough. The guy on the Apple site looked like he was trying to fuse his hand with the phone. I'm surprised it didn't break.

 

[EarthwormJim]

I tried that on my friends 9700 today, couldn't get it to replicate.

You must have girlie hands then. Clearly you need GIGANTIC, MONSTROUSLY LARGE HANDS like the model they used for the Apple photos. Seriously that guy must play in the NBA or something.

His palm is as wide as an iPhone is tall.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

You must have girlie hands then. Clearly you need GIGANTIC, MONSTROUSLY LARGE HANDS like the model they used for the Apple photos. Seriously that guy must play in the NBA or something.

His palm is as wide as an iPhone is tall.

What do all these phones have in common....The bold I tried out was on tmo


Maybe its just ATT, rofl

 

[Bateluer]

You must have girlie hands then. Clearly you need GIGANTIC, MONSTROUSLY LARGE HANDS like the model they used for the Apple photos. Seriously that guy must play in the NBA or something.

His palm is as wide as an iPhone is tall.

What the heck is wrong with this guy's thumb? Photoshop or just a 'large' individual?

 

[Zebo]

Except that he's said his iPhone 4 makes calls in weak signal areas where his iPhone 3GS wasn't able to. Which should count for something. Especially considering all of his work into making the iPhone display an actual real signal measurement. But of course, his research is dismissed because it's anecdotal.



No. You fail to grasp the point. It's that most of the people complaining about the iPhone 4's antenna issues read about it on the internet and haven't even held the device. Even those who own the iPhone 4 and complaining about dropped calls and reception issues are anecdotal in nature. Yes, that includes Woz.



--The iPhone 4 can't make calls.

Guess I've only been making pretend calls on my iPhone 4. Seriously, have you read any of the reviews on the iPhone or tried one out? The only time this is an issue is when you have a very weak signal to begin with. That's the only time you'll be adversely affected by the antenna issue (assuming you have an iPhone 4).

To be honest with you, I've received better reception with my iPhone 4 on AT&T in my house and equal to the Nokia phone I have to test it with. The AT&T signal is better in the basement than on T-Mobile where I can't get a signal at all, with the Nokia phone or with an unlocked iPhone 2G. Obviously this is purely anecdotal and only applies to my case. I'm not a heavy talker but luckily I haven't had a dropped call yet on my iPhone 4. *Knock on Wood*

Even Anand Lai Shimpi has said that his reception and ability to make calls is better on the iPhone 4 than on his iPhone 3GS. Most reports indicate that it is only when you have a weak signal that you would even run into dropped calls.

--The iPhone 4 is outdated.

What device has made the iPhone 4 outdated? Seems to me, while it's not the most specced out phone it is actually quite favorable and in the top percentile when ranking smart phone hardware.

--Android has better battery life and power management.

Say what you will but this is one area that Apple's iOS is clearly superior. When you need to micro-manage which apps are running to get battery life this is not better power management.




Know what I find amusing? Some of the most vehemently anti-iPhone 4 comments seems to be from people who don't have iPhones. Which shouldn't be surprising considering that most of the complaints about the iPhone 4 antenna issues seems to be from people who don't even own an iPhone.


This is not to say that the iPhone 4 is flawless. The antenna clearly has a flaw. Apple's main fault seems to be that they should have insulated it if they were going to make it visible.

For me, I think it's Apple's (Steve Jobs) hubris that irks me more than the phone itself. I actually like the phone.




Sony and their PS3?


On a side note I think the idiots (and especially the lawyers) are in for a rude awakening suing Apple over the antenna issues.

LOL @ trying to talk logic and sense to these hysterical fanboys who even admit trolling.

Numbers will do the talking and one phone sells as many as 60 Androids. What's that tell you?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Just tried the "test" on one of my 9700's. I gripped it like I was trying to crush it, and there was an initial drop, followed by an immediate return to a full five bars.

I live in an area with marginal 3G, my devices often step down to EDGE or GPRS. In these modes it's impossible to shift the bars on any of my devices.

Oh well, suppose they'll need another whipping boy.

 

[preslove]

RIM's CEO has responded and is calling bullshit on Job's reality distortion field
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/rim-co-ceos-pull-no-punches-responding-to-apples-antenna-statem/

"Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple."

 

[TheWart]

Well he didn't say what was 'distorted,' and if they think apple used cgi or something like that in the videos then they would sue.

Oh well, I am just hopeful that this issue will slowly die away and we can all go on worrying about something else lol.

 

[Pliablemoose]

RIM's CEO has responded and is calling bullshit on Job's reality distortion field
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/17/rim-co-ceos-pull-no-punches-responding-to-apples-antenna-statem/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiZnF3FX4uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbM7DWHwhUI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHR4pkdlIjc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

My theory is that Apple used it's cell phone test chambers to fake the results.

 

[TheWart]

I am not sure why people expect that you can make any of the phones that apple demonstrated to reliably drop bars all the time. I am holding my iPhone in the death grip right now annnnd zero dropped bars. Maybe I could take a video and put it on youtube lol.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I am not sure why people expect that you can make any of the phones that apple demonstrated to reliably drop bars all the time. I am holding my iPhone in the death grip right now annnnd zero dropped bars. Maybe I could take a video and put it on youtube lol.

What's the matter with you, facts, data, research, all meaningless, what matters is the news cycle...

What, another dead blond teenage girl?

 

[tuan209]

Is the issue here really that any cell phone held with a "death grip" will have a drop in signal? I think the real issue here is that with the "death grip" or even slight touch the Iphone 4 may in some instances have complete signal lost, and the only solution to this is with some sort of case.

Jobs did a masterful job of throwing everyone off tangent.

 

[preslove]

Holding a phone at the bottom is not a "death grip." You cultists will believe anything your Apple Lord says.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Holding a phone at the bottom is not a "death grip." You cultists will believe anything your Apple Lord says.

LOL, I really don't understand the mentality here, videos of popular smart phones losing signal when the antenna is covered because in meatspace people attenuate cell phone reception by being made of mostly water, and you're argument is that we're still holding it wrong?

I thought that was Steve Job's point...

Perhaps we could all be better served if you could post some instructions on how you'd like us to hold various smart phones?

I for one would like pictures because I'm clearly doing it wrong.

 

[foghorn67]

What the heck is wrong with this guy's thumb? Photoshop or just a 'large' individual?

My gosh, you guys must be dainty little princesses.

 

[WelshBloke]

LOL, I really don't understand the mentality here, videos of popular smart phones losing signal when the antenna is covered because in meatspace people attenuate cell phone reception by being made of mostly water, and you're argument is that we're still holding it wrong?

I thought that was Steve Job's point...

Perhaps we could all be better served if you could post some instructions on how you'd like us to hold various smart phones?

I for one would like pictures because I'm clearly doing it wrong.

I thought the problem was the bridging of the two antenna that was the unique (and additional) problem of the iPhone4, not the covering of the antenna that all phones get.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Moose, none of the phone "tests" by YouTube loons are scientific, none of them lose all bars like the ip4 and the last one is pretty funny, too, no bias there. I say let a 3rd party test them all scientifically and publish the results. My bet is the ip4 will come out last.

 

[preslove]

LOL, I really don't understand the mentality here, videos of popular smart phones losing signal when the antenna is covered because in meatspace people attenuate cell phone reception by being made of mostly water, and you're argument is that we're still holding it wrong?

I thought that was Steve Job's point...

Perhaps we could all be better served if you could post some instructions on how you'd like us to hold various smart phones?

I for one would like pictures because I'm clearly doing it wrong.

Other phones: Don't apply hard pressure to most of the surface area of the phone with your hand.

iPhone: Don't hold the phone by its bottom.


There's a reason why Apple, and not RIM, is giving away profitable cases & it's not because of some media conspiracy. The iPhone has a design flaw that makes it significantly easier to attenuate its signal with your hand, relative to other smartphones.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Other phones: Don't apply hard pressure to most of the surface area of the phone with your hand.

iPhone: Don't hold the phone by its bottom.


There's a reason why Apple, and not RIM, is giving away profitable cases & it's not because of some media conspiracy. The iPhone has a design flaw that makes it significantly easier to attenuate its signal with your hand, relative to other smartphones.

Sigh, it's not hard pressure that attenuates the signal, it's the presence of a meatspace hand.

And it's likely that there will be a shitload of antenna testing made public in the very near future, are you-all sure you want to go on record and say attenuation in other smartphones doesn't exist?

 

[WelshBloke]

Sigh, it's not hard pressure that attenuates the signal, it's the presence of a meatspace hand.

And it's likely that there will be a shitload of antenna testing made public in the very near future, are you-all sure you want to go on record and say attenuation in other smartphones doesn't exist?

Are you saying you can bridge the wifi and 3G antenna on any phone apart from the iPhone4?

 

[preslove]

Sigh, it's not hard pressure that attenuates the signal, it's the presence of a meatspace hand.

And it's likely that there will be a shitload of antenna testing made public in the very near future, are you-all sure you want to go on record and say attenuation in other smartphones doesn't exist?

Why are you misrepresenting what I said? Can you not understand this statement?

The iPhone has a design flaw that makes it significantly easier to attenuate its signal with your hand, relative to other smartphones.

All the other phones require practically the entire surface area to be covered for there to be attenuation. I don't often see people cover the entire side and back of a smart phone while they are making a call.

The iPhone4 just needs to have those two lines covered at the same time. You can do this while normally holding the phone. THAT IS THE DESIGN FLAW!

Are you saying that the iPhone does not have a design flaw?

 

[Pliablemoose]

LOL, just wait, Apple effectively slapped the rest of the industry with a gauntlet, there's obviously going to be press releases by the major players, but there will also follow a shitload of research and data about signal attenuation and smart phones.

Once again, are you sure you want to keep this up?

I have an N1 in my hand, all I have to do is pick it up and hold it in virtually any manner and I drop calls in my location...

It's a "fixed unit" from HTC, just got it back...

 

[preslove]

LOL, just wait, Apple effectively slapped the rest of the industry with a gauntlet, there's obviously going to be press releases by the major players, but there will also follow a shitload of research and data about signal attenuation and smart phones.

Once again, are you sure you want to keep this up?

I have an N1 in my hand, all I have to do is pick it up and hold it in virtually any manner and I drop calls in my location...

It's a "fixed unit" from HTC, just got it back...

You didn't answer the question. Do you actually believe that there is no design flaw in the iPhone4?

 

[tatteredpotato]

LOL, just wait, Apple effectively slapped the rest of the industry with a gauntlet, there's obviously going to be press releases by the major players, but there will also follow a shitload of research and data about signal attenuation and smart phones.

Once again, are you sure you want to keep this up?

I have an N1 in my hand, all I have to do is pick it up and hold it in virtually any manner and I drop calls in my location...

It's a "fixed unit" from HTC, just got it back...

My EVO drops signal about 4dB when I hold it like I would talking vs setting it on a table.

 

[Pliablemoose]

You didn't answer the question. Do you actually believe that there is no design flaw in the iPhone4?

I do not perceive the issue as a "design problem"

I've used 4 iPhone 4's and not been able to attenuate the signal.