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Some people forget the real fun is to win the game, not the fight.I see going after the person is still easier than the ball when you lack arguments.
Some people forget the real fun is to win the game, not the fight.I see going after the person is still easier than the ball when you lack arguments.
And they did the same with Phenom. 40-50% faster than Core 2.
I see going after the person is still easier than the ball when you lack arguments.
Die shrinks, performance gains, architectural enhancement, innovations..... They all slow or completely stop if Intel becomes the only producer. The history of previous monopolies has a very clear track record/history.
You also ignore that the person who said it was a sales guy for the Server chips......
But you know ignore the parts of history that you don't like.
So AM4 and FM2+ will have a carrizo CPU in common? Will AM4 support FM2+ CPUs?
We have to see how it pans out. But 40% IPC without some very heavy clock reductions is very unlikely. Unless 40% IPC to begin with is the problem.
I didn't know AMD staff works for Intel. That's a new one. Maybe you should refresh your memory. The numbers came from AMDs internal simulations and published by AMD. No less than from Randy Allen, Corporate VP for server and workstation products at the time.
Don't be absurd. Sandy Bridge had roughly 40% better IPC than the construction cores, and similar clock rates (4.0-4.5 GHz before power consumption starts shooting way up). And that was a 2011 design fabbed on 32nm. It's ridiculous to think AMD can't do at least that well on a clean-sheet design to debut in late 2016 on a 14nm FinFET process.
So why dont you give us a detailed run down on why you are so pessimistic on Zen based of the TECHNICAL details we know so far. Don't worry about keeping it simple go into the Gory details for us, we all might learn something.
Don't be absurd. Sandy Bridge had roughly 40% better IPC than the construction cores, and similar clock rates (4.0-4.5 GHz before power consumption starts shooting way up). And that was a 2011 design fabbed on 32nm. It's ridiculous to think AMD can't do at least that well on a clean-sheet design to debut in late 2016 on a 14nm FinFET process.
with what, 1/10th the budget on a 3rd party node?
So you expect 40% ipc increase and 4ghz+?
still waiting for you details on why not.
You wouldn't accept any details as valid
If they're making 8-core chips for the desktop, it'll practically be a requirement. The fastest 8-core Xeon that Intel has under the 95W power envelope has a base clock of 2.6GHz, and unless Global Foundries just happen to have an industry-best 14nm process, I can't see them delivering 6+ core chips with decent clocks at sub-100W.
If they're making 8-core chips for the desktop, it'll practically be a requirement. The fastest 8-core Xeon that Intel has under the 95W power envelope has a base clock of 2.6GHz, and unless Global Foundries just happen to have an industry-best 14nm process, I can't see them delivering 6+ core chips with decent clocks at sub-100W.
Doesn't change the history.
http://www.dailytech.com/Kanter+AMD+Will+Wipe+the+Floor+with+Intel+for+HPC/article7338.htm
You can also get it in a video format:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_n3wvsfq4Y
AMD have a track history for promising more than they can deliver. Yet anyone questioning the latest amazing numbers gets frowned upon. That's a 10 year old story too.
still waiting for you details on why not.
If they're making 8-core chips for the desktop, it'll practically be a requirement. The fastest 8-core Xeon that Intel has under the 95W power envelope has a base clock of 2.6GHz, and unless Global Foundries just happen to have an industry-best 14nm process, I can't see them delivering 6+ core chips with decent clocks at sub-100W.
Don't be absurd. Sandy Bridge had roughly 40% better IPC than the construction cores, and similar clock rates (4.0-4.5 GHz before power consumption starts shooting way up). And that was a 2011 design fabbed on 32nm. It's ridiculous to think AMD can't do at least that well on a clean-sheet design to debut in late 2016 on a 14nm FinFET process.
It's not even remotely a personal attack.
You are praising the position of a monopoly -- which is absurd. As I pointed out -- Ask Russia or East Germany how great it is to have a single supplier for a product -- their cars, electronics, everything..... Vastly inferior and decades behind what was produced in the West due to the lack of competition. It's a ridiculous argument so flawed that nobody is even willing to go there -- because anyone with common sense doesn't want to invest the time correcting such a bizarre opinion. Anyone with a minimal amount of business experience is laughing at the suggestion. ROFL
Die shrinks, performance gains, architectural enhancement, innovations..... They all slow or completely stop if Intel becomes the only producer. The history of previous monopolies has a very clear track record/history.
No thanks -- I don't want to start driving a Volga to work, either.
But it's the best car I can buy, because it's the only car I can buy.
You use a technically based opinion and a well known "PR" (explaining sth to public) guy's exaggerated claims as a base for predicting the future? You might be right with this method as long as today's situation is exactly the same as nearly 10 years before.Doesn't change the history.
http://www.dailytech.com/Kanter+AMD+Will+Wipe+the+Floor+with+Intel+for+HPC/article7338.htm
You can also get it in a video format:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_n3wvsfq4Y
AMD have a track history for promising more than they can deliver. Yet anyone questioning the latest amazing numbers gets frowned upon. That's a 10 year old story too.
Well said and correct.
Now that we know AM4 is 140W TDP capable, do we expect more than 95W TDP CPUs ??
P.S. Wraith is 125W+ cooler being used on 95W CPUs, I wonder what kind of HSF specs AMD is developing to keep a 140W CPU quiet? Maybe a slightly taller Wraith? Or possibly a Wraith that is also wider using a 120mm blow down fan?