** UPDATE** Official 2014-15 NFL 'U LOST Bro'-owl Thread** Pats are SB Champs!!

[RampantAndroid]

The weight was off? Was it now? What exactly is the weight difference between the balls? Please provide the actual measurements.

Someone is defensive. We don't know what the weight was, OR the actual pressure. Reports have just said both weight and pressure were off.

Temperature of the object can affect the weight. It doesn't apply in this case but there's a reason you were told to not weigh a hot object in Chem lab.

I was talking about this specific situation 🙂

 

[BUTCH1]

And he wouldn't do anything without being told. But Bellicheat will throw him, his family, and his dog under the bus before he'll take responsibility. Classy.

You have it totally wrong, if it is indeed found that the balls were tampered with it will NOT be the ball-boy who get crucified, it will be BB and or Brady. The league would obviously know this person, (if it did happen) did not decide on his own to take air out of the balls, he would have done so by instruction. For those who suggest Brady be suspended from the game I hope the NFL would be willing to take the multi-BILLION dollar hit from those who pay millions for a 30 second TV ad. They would NOT want to blow wads of cash if Jimmy Grappalo was the starting QB, not only would they seek to cancel the ad's they might seek reimbursement for the $$ paid to make the ad's as well.

 

[BUTCH1]

Technically they beat "scared Rodgers and the Packers doing everything they could to lose that game" twice.

Other than that, no one I guess. They might as well concede the game to that guy who hasn't won a superbowl since Bush was popular. What are they even doing there? Can we talk about Tommy's soft balls some more?

Brady is the undisputed master of the short, "get it out quick" passing game, he will not seek to launch the ball deep down-field very often if at all, the question is can the Hawks limit the yards after the catch with a banged-up secondary?.

 

[artemicion]

Feels like footballs being underinflated by 2 psi gets more media attention in America than a terrorist attack in Paris. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

 

[BUTCH1]

Feels like footballs being underinflated by 2 psi gets more media attention in America than a terrorist attack in Paris. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Welcome to American journalism, nothing better than a villain (BB) in trouble, heck the story is actually a world-wide one at this point. The NFL fans and players from every other team are not given match-up theories on who should win, it's all about the balls. Shame of it is this has the potential of being a great SB, if Brady was lying about having no knowledge about the under-inflated balls one would think it would have to affect his play, it would be like playing while "The Sword of Damocles" is above his head.

 

[dainthomas]

Brady is the undisputed master of the short, "get it out quick" passing game, he will not seek to launch the ball deep down-field very often if at all, the question is can the Hawks limit the yards after the catch with a banged-up secondary?.

Bam Bam looks pretty healthy. Sherman would be the guy who would be least likely to defend those short pass plays anyway.

 

[emperus]

Technically they beat "scared Rodgers and the Packers doing everything they could to lose that game" twice.

Other than that, no one I guess. They might as well concede the game to that guy who hasn't won a superbowl since Bush was popular. What are they even doing there? Can we talk about Tommy's soft balls some more?

Yes, Rodgers palyed scared the first game and the team played not to lose the 2nd. Do you think Belichick in that position (situational football) would have lost that game?

Again, who have they played and looked like an #1 Ranked NFL team this year? Overtime against Broncos at home. Overtime against Packers at home. Lost to the Chargers, Lost to the Chiefs and lost to the COwboys. In fact the last 6 games they were on their magical run. They feasted on the likes of Arizona 2x (3rd String quarterback), St. Louis (Sean Hill.. need I say more?), SF (One read Kaepernick), and the Eagles (Butt Fumble Sanchez).

I really think the Seahawks are running more on reputation than anything now. And they should have been exposed last week.

Honestly, Seattle doesn't even make it out of the NFC if the Cardinals hadn't lost their #2 quarterback, let alone Carson Palmer.

 

[emperus]

Bam Bam looks pretty healthy. Sherman would be the guy who would be least likely to defend those short pass plays anyway.

NE has 3 good receivers (Edelman, Amendola, and Brandon lafell), A great TE, and a Very good change of pace back. Is Sherman expected to cover all of them?

 

[RampantAndroid]

Bam Bam looks pretty healthy. Sherman would be the guy who would be least likely to defend those short pass plays anyway.

Chancellor and Wagner are still in fine health, last I knew.

 

[lupi]

takes the dick out and drops the mic.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...-expects-apology-nfl-find-deflategate-culprit

 

[dainthomas]

Yes, Rodgers palyed scared the first game and the team played not to lose the 2nd. Do you think Belichick in that position (situational football) would have lost that game?

Again, who have they played and looked like an #1 Ranked NFL team this year? Overtime against Broncos at home. Overtime against Packers at home. Lost to the Chargers, Lost to the Chiefs and lost to the COwboys. In fact the last 6 games they were on their magical run. They feasted on the likes of Arizona 2x (3rd String quarterback), St. Louis (Sean Hill.. need I say more?), SF (One read Kaepernick), and the Eagles (Butt Fumble Sanchez).

I really think the Seahawks are running more on reputation than anything now. And they should have been exposed last week.

Honestly, Seattle doesn't even make it out of the NFC if the Cardinals hadn't lost their #2 quarterback, let alone Carson Palmer.

Those are all wonderful points. I remember similar things being said of the Broncos last year . Who were also favored, by the way. I think the Seahawks finished stronger, and they win when they have to. And none of their losses were by much. Additionally, the Patriots have racked up an identical record to Seattle, against weaker defenses.

East coast bias doesn't win championships, defense does. And it will again. Those who say they're weaker this year on defense are showing their lack of knowledge. Look at the numbers.

So I'll say it's a tight game at the half, maybe a Patriots lead. But the Hawks will knuckle down and pull it out in the second half.

 

[zinfamous]

Not sure why anyone has Seattle winning this game. What real quarterbacks have they beaten this season (outside scared Rodgers and the Packers doing everything they could to lose that game).

Are you high?

Russell Wilson is currently 10-0 against superbowl-winning QB's.

last year: "Not sure why anyone has Seattle beating Denver!" 😀

 

[Capt Caveman]

Those are all wonderful points. I remember similar things being said of the Broncos last year . Who were also favored, by the way. I think the Seahawks finished stronger, and they win when they have to. And none of their losses were by much. Additionally, the Patriots have racked up an identical record to Seattle, against weaker defenses.

East coast bias doesn't win championships, defense does. And it will again. Those who say they're weaker this year on defense are showing their lack of knowledge. Look at the numbers.

So I'll say it's a tight game at the half, maybe a Patriots lead. But the Hawks will knuckle down and pull it out in the second half.

Against weaker defenses? Based on Pts/Game or Yds/Game, I believe NE played tougher defenses and offenses this year. And NE, played their subs in their final game of the year.

Top Defenses - Yds/Game NE played 9 of the top 12(playing Buffalo, Miami and the Jets twice for a total of 12 games against the top 12 defenses). Seattle played 5 of the top 12 (SF and Carolina twice for a total of 7 games against the top 12 defenses). 12 > 7

Top Defenses - Pts/Game NE played 6 games against the top 12 defenses while Seattle played 5 games against the top 12 defenses. 6 > 5

 

[davmat787]

And Lynch fined 20k for grabbing his junk again. But deflating balls and knocking out your girlfriend is A-Ok. Haven't figured out why the NFL has it out for him. How much money has Beast Mode made them? Ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...-crotch-grab--more-fines-await-145340112.html

NFL fines Lynch, but has no problem making money off of the incident by selling photos of it for $149. The NFL eventually removed the item for sale, I wonder what it took for the NFL to see such blatant hypocrisy. Would have been hilarious if Richard Sherman would have caught on to this while they still had it for sale.

What’s interesting is the fact that they’re selling NFC Champion prints that feature a photo of the groin grab in the bottom left corner for $149.95.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nfl-selling-prints-of-marshawn-lynch-grabbing-his-groin

 

[KeithTalent]

Are you high?

Russell Wilson is currently 10-0 against superbowl-winning QB's.

last year: "Not sure why anyone has Seattle beating Denver!" 😀

Yep. My money is on Seattle, though I will be rooting my ass off for New England.

Could be the first Super Bowl to actually be a pick at kickoff. 😱

KT

 

[Captante]

Are you high?

Russell Wilson is currently 10-0 against superbowl-winning QB's.

last year: "Not sure why anyone has Seattle beating Denver!" 😀

I picked Seattle to win but would hardly be surprised if NE takes it.

And although I respect the Seahawk's for taking advantage of what they were given there's no way to say the Packers didn't hand them that game last weekend on a silver platter.

 

[emperus]

Those are all wonderful points. I remember similar things being said of the Broncos last year . Who were also favored, by the way.
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East coast bias doesn't win championships, defense does. And it will again. Those who say they're weaker this year on defense are showing their lack of knowledge. Look at the numbers.

So I'll say it's a tight game at the half, maybe a Patriots lead. But the Hawks will knuckle down and pull it out in the second half.

Actually, not true. The Broncos had the weakest Strength of Schedule last year. Basically they played a lot of terrible teams. And look what happened in the SuperBowl.

My argument is not based on bias. I explicitly explained why I thought the Seahawks were overrated. Why don't you try disputing the fact that they haven't really played anyone the last 8 weeks outside of the Packers last week who should have beat them.

 

[emperus]

Are you high?

Russell Wilson is currently 10-0 against superbowl-winning QB's.

last year: "Not sure why anyone has Seattle beating Denver!" 😀

You mean the SeaHawks Defense are 10-0 against Super bowl Wining QB's. Not taking anything away from Russell Wilson, but I think he is a product of Seattle's Defense. Unfortunately NE isn't the other teams they've played. If you have a chance watch NE's last two playoff games and compare that to Seattle's last two playoff games.

I don't believe this Seattle team is as good as the Seattle team of last year.

 

[smackababy]

I think Seattle is as good as they were last year. It just happened that the AFC champion was weak. Denver's defense couldn't stop an offense built on efficiency, and that allowed Seattle's D to keep Denver out of the game. I don't think that will happen this year. NE won't simply rely on Brady throwing 5+ TDs to win games against opponents that can score.

This farce about "Russell Wilson is 10-0 against Superbowl winning QBs" is what I call a Romo stat. It takes a small subset of data and tries to make a conclusion about it. I'm sure every game after he has chicken wings on Wednesday before and the humidity is above 40%, Wilson completes every third down throw between 7 and 9 yards when the ball travels less than 45ft in the air and the opponent has on Lycra underpants!

 

[emperus]

I think Seattle is as good as they were last year. It just happened that the AFC champion was weak. Denver's defense couldn't stop an offense built on efficiency, and that allowed Seattle's D to keep Denver out of the game. I don't think that will happen this year. NE won't simply rely on Brady throwing 5+ TDs to win games against opponents that can score.

This farce about "Russell Wilson is 10-0 against Superbowl winning QBs" is what I call a Romo stat. It takes a small subset of data and tries to make a conclusion about it. I'm sure every game after he has chicken wings on Wednesday before and the humidity is above 40%, Wilson completes every third down throw between 7 and 9 yards when the ball travels less than 45ft in the air and the opponent has on Lycra underpants!

I would agree. But, take away Lynch and I don't think Seattle has an offense. The Patriots are built to take away top receivers and not give up big plays (the kind that WIlson lives on).

Now, any given sunday anything can happen. But imho NE is just better than Seattle. NE has just as good an offense as GB, has a better secondary, a better coach, are mentally tough and their players are situationally smarter and better coached. Take away Seattle's home field advantage.. Well, the Pats aren't losing that game.

 

[zinfamous]

I picked Seattle to win but would hardly be surprised if NE takes it.

And although I respect the Seahawk's for taking advantage of what they were given there's no way to say the Packers didn't hand them that game last weekend on a silver platter.

totally agree

You mean the SeaHawks Defense are 10-0 against Super bowl Wining QB's. Not taking anything away from Russell Wilson, but I think he is a product of Seattle's Defense. Unfortunately NE isn't the other teams they've played. If you have a chance watch NE's last two playoff games and compare that to Seattle's last two playoff games.

I don't believe this Seattle team is as good as the Seattle team of last year.

I think Wilson is perfect for that team for many reasons, but I also don't think it was just that defense doing his work for him. Marshawn Lynch has been far more valuable to Wilson than has his defense. Plus, he and the Seahawks have already beaten Brady, so there aren't many secrets there (Well, until Belichik comes out of his cave with yet another rule-bending tactic 😀)

I do think NE is playing much better right now, but I think you are ignoring how good Seattle has been at the beginning of the season, and from the midway point on. They are at least as good as they were last year, if not better, imo. Comparing NE against a middling Colts team to Seattle against GB--recall that they were the best team in the league at the midpoint before a few injuries--doesn't make a lot of sense. Seattle also took apart that team at the beginning of the season.

 

[zinfamous]

This farce about "Russell Wilson is 10-0 against Superbowl winning QBs" is what I call a Romo stat. It takes a small subset of data and tries to make a conclusion about it. I'm sure every game after he has chicken wings on Wednesday before and the humidity is above 40%, Wilson completes every third down throw between 7 and 9 yards when the ball travels less than 45ft in the air and the opponent has on Lycra underpants!

I hate that shit, too, and for that reason, but I brought it up to specifically counter: "Wilson hasn't beaten anyone!"

because, well, that's some low-hanging fruit there.

 

[emperus]

totally agree



I think Wilson is perfect for that team for many reasons, but I also don't think it was just that defense doing his work for him. Marshawn Lynch has been far more valuable to Wilson than has his defense. Plus, he and the Seahawks have already beaten Brady, so there aren't many secrets there (Well, until Belichik comes out of his cave with yet another rule-bending tactic 😀)

I do think NE is playing much better right now, but I think you are ignoring how good Seattle has been at the beginning of the season, and from the midway point on. They are at least as good as they were last year, if not better, imo. Comparing NE against a middling Colts team to Seattle against GB--recall that they were the best team in the league at the midpoint before a few injuries--doesn't make a lot of sense. Seattle also took apart that team at the beginning of the season.

Seattle couldn't beat a crippled Aaron Rodgers without a total GB meltdown.

And I'll ask you this. The last 8 games what team has Seattle Played that you could say offensively rivaled NE? In fact what good quarterbacks have Seattle played the last 8 weeks outside of a crippled Rodgers?

 

[zinfamous]

Seattle couldn't beat a crippled Aaron Rodgers without a total GB meltdown.

And I'll ask you this. The last 8 games what team has Seattle Played that you could say offensively rivaled NE? In fact what good quarterbacks have Seattle played the last 8 weeks outside of a crippled Rodgers?

well, they sure took apart Green Bay with a healthy Rodgers earlier in the season. Yes, Green Bay gave them that game last week, I think few disagree with that.

But it is a team game, and they never would have been in the position to feast on the meltdown had the D not kept them in the entire game. Probably the most important game for them all season.

Again, I still think NE is on fire right now, but discounting Seattle because of that one game is really just laughable at this point. Seriously--ask Peyton Manning.

 

[dainthomas]

Actually, not true. The Broncos had the weakest Strength of Schedule last year. Basically they played a lot of terrible teams. And look what happened in the SuperBowl.

My argument is not based on bias. I explicitly explained why I thought the Seahawks were overrated. Why don't you try disputing the fact that they haven't really played anyone the last 8 weeks outside of the Packers last week who should have beat them.

They beat the Pats. :hmm:

Even if I conceded that the Hawks' strength of schedule is weaker the last 8 games, so what? They've gone 8-0. The Patriots have gone 6-2. Hell, they barely beat the Jets (!) and lost to the Bills. Is Billy the kind of guy who lets his team coast into the playoffs like that? The Seahawks are playing strong down the stretch and winning games they have to win.