UPDATE: NOW 2000+ Planted votes in E-Voting machines found

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: gutharius

Originally posted by: classy
Why is it that only republicans are complaining of voter fraud and only in democratic districts? They really should quit whining. I wonder if they are checking at their own districts.

Ehem, Deomcrat here. This is not a partisan thing this ia about an immoral practice.

One would think it's not a partisan thing, but not everyone seems to agree. For example, in Miss.:

While Mississippi doesn't require ID to vote in state and local elections, starting with the March 9 presidential and congressional primaries, voters will have to show ID to vote in federal elections as part of the federal Help America Vote Act.

Advocates say the Senate legislation would curb voter fraud, while critics say it would only intimidate voters, especially African Americans.

Sen. Willie Simmons, D-Cleveland, who voted against the bill, said he hopes the 122-member House kills the legislation.

"Voter ID is a means of intimidation," Simmons said. "We need to encourage people to vote, not discourage them."

During the debate, Sen. David Jordan, D-Greenwood, said the bill is "rotten from the core. It is evil. It is wrong. ... This is a back door to a poll tax."

Full article here.

Showing you ID is voter intimidation? When I voted I was more scared someone was going to walk up to me and start questioning me about my citizenship and if I was at the right place to vote. That is voter intimidation, makes me feel really sad for Ohioans.

 

[Genx87]

How do they validate votes in the end? I mean if you vote in two locations isnt there a system to catch things like this?

I heard about this on the way into work on the radio. This is just sad to see things like this happen. It is also a little weird they dont require a valid ID to vote. That is just asking for voter fraud.

 

[joshw10]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: gutharius

Originally posted by: classy
Why is it that only republicans are complaining of voter fraud and only in democratic districts? They really should quit whining. I wonder if they are checking at their own districts.

Ehem, Deomcrat here. This is not a partisan thing this ia about an immoral practice.

One would think it's not a partisan thing, but not everyone seems to agree. For example, in Miss.:

While Mississippi doesn't require ID to vote in state and local elections, starting with the March 9 presidential and congressional primaries, voters will have to show ID to vote in federal elections as part of the federal Help America Vote Act.

Advocates say the Senate legislation would curb voter fraud, while critics say it would only intimidate voters, especially African Americans.

Sen. Willie Simmons, D-Cleveland, who voted against the bill, said he hopes the 122-member House kills the legislation.

"Voter ID is a means of intimidation," Simmons said. "We need to encourage people to vote, not discourage them."

During the debate, Sen. David Jordan, D-Greenwood, said the bill is "rotten from the core. It is evil. It is wrong. ... This is a back door to a poll tax."

Full article here.

Do Democrats actually believe that BS about voter intimidation = Having to provide a freaking ID to vote???

Believe it or not, there are people who do not have photo IDs. In my state you can go to the DMV and get one but it'll cost you like $20.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: joshw10

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: gutharius

Originally posted by: classy
Why is it that only republicans are complaining of voter fraud and only in democratic districts? They really should quit whining. I wonder if they are checking at their own districts.

Ehem, Deomcrat here. This is not a partisan thing this ia about an immoral practice.

One would think it's not a partisan thing, but not everyone seems to agree. For example, in Miss.:

While Mississippi doesn't require ID to vote in state and local elections, starting with the March 9 presidential and congressional primaries, voters will have to show ID to vote in federal elections as part of the federal Help America Vote Act.

Advocates say the Senate legislation would curb voter fraud, while critics say it would only intimidate voters, especially African Americans.

Sen. Willie Simmons, D-Cleveland, who voted against the bill, said he hopes the 122-member House kills the legislation.

"Voter ID is a means of intimidation," Simmons said. "We need to encourage people to vote, not discourage them."

During the debate, Sen. David Jordan, D-Greenwood, said the bill is "rotten from the core. It is evil. It is wrong. ... This is a back door to a poll tax."

Full article here.

Do Democrats actually believe that BS about voter intimidation = Having to provide a freaking ID to vote???

Believe it or not, there are people who do not have photo IDs. In my state you can go to the DMV and get one but it'll cost you like $20.

At least they could provide their Social Security Card/ Worker ID/ Credit Card/ Voter Registration card..... WTF????

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: gutharius

Originally posted by: classy
Why is it that only republicans are complaining of voter fraud and only in democratic districts? They really should quit whining. I wonder if they are checking at their own districts.

Ehem, Deomcrat here. This is not a partisan thing this ia about an immoral practice.

One would think it's not a partisan thing, but not everyone seems to agree. For example, in Miss.:

While Mississippi doesn't require ID to vote in state and local elections, starting with the March 9 presidential and congressional primaries, voters will have to show ID to vote in federal elections as part of the federal Help America Vote Act.

Advocates say the Senate legislation would curb voter fraud, while critics say it would only intimidate voters, especially African Americans.

Sen. Willie Simmons, D-Cleveland, who voted against the bill, said he hopes the 122-member House kills the legislation.

"Voter ID is a means of intimidation," Simmons said. "We need to encourage people to vote, not discourage them."

During the debate, Sen. David Jordan, D-Greenwood, said the bill is "rotten from the core. It is evil. It is wrong. ... This is a back door to a poll tax."

Full article here.

Do Democrats actually believe that BS about voter intimidation = Having to provide a freaking ID to vote???

Yes, clearly do, and not just in Miss. It's not about getting the votes counted right, it's about getting the right (as in, votes for your side) votes counted.

 

[chess9]

Identification is being checked very carefully here. You need a photo id to vote and they are looking at it.

-Robert

 

[conjur]

Howard Stern's show reporting the votes were for Bush....don't really hold that as credible, though.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: chess9
Identification is being checked very carefully here. You need a photo id to vote and they are looking at it.

-Robert

At least some locality is taking election fraud seriously.

 

[Vic]

I don't get it. Pennsylvania and Massachusetts have been holding elections for 300+ years, since they were British colonies, and they still can't get it right?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: joshw10

If someone voted more than once why the hell would they call a radio show to talk about it??

The radio show asked if anyone was able to get away with it, also asked if they were checking ID at the time of voting...why wouldn't you call the radio show? it isn't like they take your name and address or anything, heck it would be safer to call the show than post about it here or elsewhere on the net.

 

[Mayax]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: joshw10

If someone voted more than once why the hell would they call a radio show to talk about it??

The radio show asked if anyone was able to get away with it, also asked if they were checking ID at the time of voting...why wouldn't you call the radio show? it isn't like they take your name and address or anything, heck it would be safer to call the show than post about it here or elsewhere on the net.

Tell that to that cabbie guy who had the IRS jump him after bragging he hadn't paid his taxes in years on Stern's show.

 

[Bumrush99]

In my precinct you have to show your ID to vote.. However, if someone could forge the very simple yellow slip they hand you to go the electronic voting booth, it would be very easy to vote repeatedly.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
In my precinct you have to show your ID to vote.. However, if someone could forge the very simple yellow slip they hand you to go the electronic voting booth, it would be very easy to vote repeatedly.

How? Doesn't a voter have to present his voter registration card and then sign (and there is only one place to do so, alongside his/her name) in the precinct poll book? That's how Oregon did it before they switched to all mail ballots (which is awesome) and how WA state still does it. No ID except the registration card needed. Sign here next to your name. No fraud possible (unless someone gave you their card to go vote for them, but then the signatures probably wouldn't match in the book and you couldn't vote anyway).

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Mayax

Tell that to that cabbie guy who had the IRS jump him after bragging he hadn't paid his taxes in years on Stern's show.

How much info did he give out? how regular of a caller was he?? there are many things which factor into the equation...the people who called this show and most give virtually no personal information outside of their first name, the call lasts only a few minutes at most...I know if I got away with something and wanted to brag about it and the radio station was asking I would consder calling them and have little to no fear of reprocussions.

 

[NesuD]

Foxnews just reported that the Philly DA has inspected one of the machines in question. The machine has 2 counters. 1 counter counts the total number of ballots recorded over the life of the machine. The other is the one that is supposed to bet reset to zero for each election. The DA claims the monitor has confused the total ballots counter with the individual election counter. That is what the Philly DA is saying at this time but only one of the machines in question has been inspected.

 

[conjur]

MSNBC saying the machines didn't have some counters set to zero. A poll work in PA saying it's all rumour that votes were planted.



Appears to be a non-issue and an apparent attempt by the GOP to delay voting in a heavily-Democratic area until new machines can be brought in.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
MSNBC saying the machines didn't have some counters set to zero. A poll work in PA saying it's all rumour that votes were planted.

Appears to be a non-issue and an apparent attempt by the GOP to delay voting in a heavily-Democratic area until new machines can be brought in.

So if this were the dems doing this you would have said the same thing? sorry but I would rather them be sure of the situation instead of letting it slide...someone screwed up and didn't reset the counters when they SHOULD HAVE.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: conjur
MSNBC saying the machines didn't have some counters set to zero. A poll work in PA saying it's all rumour that votes were planted.



Appears to be a non-issue and an apparent attempt by the GOP to delay voting in a heavily-Democratic area until new machines can be brought in.

:roll:

What Bozack said. It is probably nothing but I would rather they are sure than treat like an anything goes election.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
MSNBC saying the machines didn't have some counters set to zero. A poll work in PA saying it's all rumour that votes were planted.

Appears to be a non-issue and an apparent attempt by the GOP to delay voting in a heavily-Democratic area until new machines can be brought in.

So if this were the dems doing this you would have said the same thing? sorry but I would rather them be sure of the situation instead of letting it slide...someone screwed up and didn't reset the counters when they SHOULD HAVE.

The counters WERE reset!

The GOP dumbfvck confused the lifetime counter with the election counter. The GOP is to blame!

 

[randym431]

Yes its true, the votes were from other elections, a "counter" if you will, and not actually a vote. These "counters" needed to be reset, they do not have actual votes placed. This simple matter will be cleared up before the polls close. Kinda like not resetting your milage counter in your car. If you drive 10 miles, and your trip counter says 2000, you KNOW you didnt drive 2010 miles to work.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
In my precinct you have to show your ID to vote.. However, if someone could forge the very simple yellow slip they hand you to go the electronic voting booth, it would be very easy to vote repeatedly.

How? Doesn't a voter have to present his voter registration card and then sign (and there is only one place to do so, alongside his/her name) in the precinct poll book? That's how Oregon did it before they switched to all mail ballots (which is awesome) and how WA state still does it. No ID except the registration card needed. Sign here next to your name. No fraud possible (unless someone gave you their card to go vote for them, but then the signatures probably wouldn't match in the book and you couldn't vote anyway).

Considering how many false registrations have been allowed, you just go back and vote under your aliases.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur


The GOP dumbfvck confused the lifetime counter with the election counter. The GOP is to blame!

and there was no one on hand to point that out to them before they called in and checked?? sorry Conjur but it seems as if there were enough confused there about how it actually worked that a call was warranted....again, had this been on the other side of the isle I doubt you would have said anything, instead you would have agreed that it is better to be sure than sorry.

 

[Emveach]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
MSNBC saying the machines didn't have some counters set to zero. A poll work in PA saying it's all rumour that votes were planted.

Appears to be a non-issue and an apparent attempt by the GOP to delay voting in a heavily-Democratic area until new machines can be brought in.

So if this were the dems doing this you would have said the same thing? sorry but I would rather them be sure of the situation instead of letting it slide...someone screwed up and didn't reset the counters when they SHOULD HAVE.

The counters WERE reset!

The GOP dumbfvck confused the lifetime counter with the election counter. The GOP is to blame!

They said the MONITER checked it, not the GOP. You are just assuming that it had to be a republican stunt to delay voters.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: NesuD
Foxnews just reported that the Philly DA has inspected one of the machines in question. The machine has 2 counters. 1 counter counts the total number of ballots recorded over the life of the machine. The other is the one that is supposed to bet reset to zero for each election. The DA claims the monitor has confused the total ballots counter with the individual election counter. That is what the Philly DA is saying at this time but only one of the machines in question has been inspected.

Interesting. From what I can tell in a short amount of time, it appears that Philly has used these machines since, at the latest, 2002. I'd imagine theyve had what - three elctions (counting primaries) since then. Only 200 votes had been cast in three elections?

 

[AutomaticErik]

Why are republicans making all the noise? Hmmm...can you say scared?