Upcoming iPhone to have new dock connector, 19pin vs 30pin

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Somehow android phones can dock with media devices using plain old USB.

Like what?

 

[Chiropteran]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+dock

 

[psych2]

Not to mention those cool pogo pin docks!

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

It looks like most of those docks only have charging and provide music functionality through either a 3.5mm connection or a bluetooth connection. Yes it provides it, but is that really the best implementation?

 

[Munky]

It looks like most of those docks only have charging and provide music functionality through either a 3.5mm connection or a bluetooth connection. Yes it provides it, but is that really the best implementation?

Yes, because it follows industry standards, as opposed to Apple's proprietary crap. A 3.5mm connector from 20 years ago will work just fine with modern 3.5mm accessories, I don't need to buy only those accessories which are approved by Apple, and I won't have to buy a new set of accessories just because Apple decided to change the connector.

 

[Phynaz]

Guys . . . charging is easy. Its the speaker systems, car docks, various home docks, etc that will all need to be replaced.

Probably not. They already all have adapters to accommodate the different device form factors. So now the adapter has some pins built into it.

Non issue.

 

[Phynaz]

Yes, because it follows industry standards, as opposed to Apple's proprietary crap. A 3.5mm connector from 20 years ago will work just fine with modern 3.5mm accessories, I don't need to buy only those accessories which are approved by Apple, and I won't have to buy a new set of accessories just because Apple decided to change the connector.

So how are you getting video out of USB (in an industry standard fashion)? Remote control? How about data acquisition like Nike+? Car Dock?

Every device attempting to do these things has to build a solution from the ground up, which is incompatible with every other implementation. In the Apple world this problem doesn't exist.

 

[QueBert]

Yes, because it follows industry standards, as opposed to Apple's proprietary crap. A 3.5mm connector from 20 years ago will work just fine with modern 3.5mm accessories, I don't need to buy only those accessories which are approved by Apple, and I won't have to buy a new set of accessories just because Apple decided to change the connector.

you call it proprietary crap, but it can do things micro USB can't. It might be proprietary, but it's far from crap. Now I could argue that even tho it's the industry standard, micro usb still has some crappy points.

 

[Chiropteran]

you call it proprietary crap, but it can do things micro USB can't. It might be proprietary, but it's far from crap. Now I could argue that even tho it's the industry standard, micro usb still has some crappy points.

What can it do that you can't do on an Android phone?

So how are you getting video out of USB (in an industry standard fashion)?

How are you getting video out of an Apple gadget in an industry standard fashion? You aren't.

 

[QueBert]

What can it do that you can't do on an Android phone?




How are you getting video out of an Apple gadget in an industry standard fashion? You aren't.

I had a cable for my iPod touch where I could watch the video from it on a television. I can do that with SOME Android phones, but not a lot. You can do it with none only using a straight usb cable. I suppose in your mind a phone with a usb cable and a mini HDMI cable hooked up together is a better solution than a single cable right? Please tell me how to get video out on my Evo 4G with a Micro USb cable, I'll be waiting. Also please point me towards a micro usb cable that clicks into place. It might not be anything to you, but I like how my iPhone cable doesn't just sort of loosely plug in like micro usb ones do. I also have Nike+, which I use every time I exercise. This will never be on Android.

Why do I care about "industry standard fashion" when I can get a cable for my iPhone ANYWHERE I could get a Micro USB cable, it might be proprietary but they are sold everywhere. And it works with my 3 devices, so I don't need an industry standard

*shrug*

 

[Munky]

So how are you getting video out of USB (in an industry standard fashion)? Remote control? How about data acquisition like Nike+? Car Dock?

Every device attempting to do these things has to build a solution from the ground up, which is incomparable with every other implementation. In the Apple world this problem doesn't exist.

Incorrect. There's an industry standard for just about every form of data transmission. For audio there's 3.5mm, for video there's HDMI, and for digital data there's USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth. Incidentally, my phone has all of those.

you call it proprietary crap, but it can do things micro USB can't. It might be proprietary, but it's far from crap. Now I could argue that even tho it's the industry standard, micro usb still has some crappy points.

See my post above. I'm not limited to only micro USB, but you're still limited to whatever Apple decides is good for you.

 

[QueBert]

Incorrect. There's an industry standard for just about every form of data transmission. For audio there's 3.5mm, for video there's HDMI, and for digital data there's USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth. Incidentally, my phone has all of those.



See my post above. I'm not limited to only micro USB, but you're still limited to whatever Apple decides is good for you.

What can your phone do that mine can't? I'm "limited" to only having to use 1 cable, where you'd have to use 3 to do what I can with a single cable. Sorry but I'm not seeing any sort of advantage there. Enjoy using 3 cables, I'll be happy doing the same sh*t with a single one thank you.

 

[TuxDave]

What can it do that you can't do on an Android phone?

How are you getting video out of an Apple gadget in an industry standard fashion? You aren't.

From the article I linked, they give an example of composite video output. You just need a physical adapter to physically hook up the two appropriate pins to the terminals of a composite output cable. The data it'll drive it out will automatically be "in an industry standard fashion" without any additional decode.

(at least that's what I got out of the article)

 

[Anubis]

TBH quebert is correct, apples 1 cable does everything soloution is better. is it annoying it doesnt use some other standard, yea kinda, however there is no connection that will do everything the apple ones does. Because android phones dont have a special connection you will never see the amount of accessories that integrate with them that apple has and im pretty sure we will never see a car that had built in media controlls that work with a docked android phone

 

[Chiropteran]

From the article I linked, they give an example of composite video output. You just need a physical adapter to physically hook up the two appropriate pins to the terminals of a composite output cable. The data it'll drive it out will automatically be "in an industry standard fashion" without any additional decode.

(at least that's what I got out of the article)

I don't think that is what industry standard actually means.

 

[Chiropteran]

im pretty sure we will never see a car that had built in media controlls that work with a docked android phone

That is true, because docking is the ancient way of doing things now that we are in the age of bluetooth.

 

[Munky]

What can your phone do that mine can't? I'm limited to only having to use 1 cable, where you'd have to use 3 to do what I can with a single cable. Sorry but I'm not seeing any sort of advantage there. Enjoy using 3 cables, I happy doing the same sh*t with a single one thank you.

Lol, for starters, I can use my phone on any GSM carrier without having to hack or jailbreak it. And just a few basic functions people have been able to do for decades, like browse the file system, use expandable storage, and set the alarm tone to any audio file on the system.

The advantage is that I have options and my connectors and accessories aren't going obsolete just because Apple decided.

 

[Anubis]

That is true, because docking is the ancient way of doing things now that we are in the age of bluetooth.

id pefer docking 100% of time as it also provieds power and stops the need for a car charger, AC/USB/Cig - whatever your car has. also streaming media from the network only to restream it over BT does not work well at all

 

[TuxDave]

I don't think that is what industry standard actually means.

While it may not be industry standard in terms of physical shape, it's industry standard in terms of data transmission protocol. But if your real issue is the shape and not the fact that you don't have to add additional computing hardware.....

ok.

 

[Chiropteran]

While it may not be industry standard in terms of physical shape, it's industry standard in terms of data transmission protocol. But if your real issue is the shape and not the fact that you don't have to add additional computing hardware.....

What are you talking about? I plug my headphones into my android phone. Audio, with no additional computing hardware. I plug my Android phone into my computer via usb. Charging + data access with no additional computing hardware. I plug my android into a mini hdmi to hdmi converter- video, with no additional computing hardware.

Yes, I read the article, but it's BS. What real scenario requires this hypothetical "additional computing hardware"? None do. It's just marketing speak to try to make apple users feel better about using a proprietary non-standard connector.

id pefer docking 100% of time as it also provieds power and stops the need for a car charger, AC/USB/Cig - whatever your car has. also streaming media from the network only to restream it over BT does not work well at all

How is it easier to plug the phone into a dock rather than a usb charger? Does the dock cost less than a usb charger or something? Plugging in a dock or a usb charger requires the exact same effort, but the USB has the advantage of being a standard connection usable on many other devices and not just my phone.

What do you mean by streaming media doesn't stream over BT well? It works flawlessly for me with my Galaxy Nexus and SYNC, maybe that is just a flaw with iOS devices.

 

[QueBert]

That is true, because docking is the ancient way of doing things now that we are in the age of bluetooth.

Good luck streaming HD video over Bluetooth, and good luck charging wirelessly.

Lol, for starters, I can use my phone on any GSM carrier without having to hack or jailbreak it. And just a few basic functions people have been able to do for decades, like browse the file system, use expandable storage, and set the alarm tone to any audio file on the system.

The advantage is that I have options and my connectors and accessories aren't going obsolete just because Apple decided.

Good good for bringing up things not related to this thread being about a CONNECTOR at to what your phone can do that mine can't. Excellent.

as for the 2nd point I've owned 5 Android phones, I bought "accessories" for 4 of them. The accessories don't work with any other phones. So you lost me on the accessories point badly.

 

[Chiropteran]

Good luck streaming HD video over Bluetooth, and good luck charging wirelessly.

It's illegal to watch video while driving a car so I hope you get arrested and thrown in jail for a very long time.

I'm kidding, but do try to follow along. I was responding to a post about CARS. If you want to connect an android device to your TV at home there is a mini-hdmi adapter for that.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Good luck streaming HD video over Bluetooth, and good luck charging wirelessly.

You do know that wireless chargers have been around for a while right?

 

[TuxDave]

What are you talking about? I plug my headphones into my android phone. Audio, with no additional computing hardware. I plug my Android phone into my computer via usb. Charging + data access with no additional computing hardware. I plug my android into a mini hdmi to hdmi converter- video, with no additional computing hardware.

Yes, I read the article, but it's BS. What real scenario requires this hypothetical "additional computing hardware"? None do. It's just marketing speak to try to make apple users feel better about using a proprietary non-standard connector.

/sigh

The fact that your phone already has a mini-HDMI driver is the reason why you don't need additional computing hardware. The mini-HDMI to HDMI converter is no different than connecting the 30pins to HDMI. That's why both don't need additional computing hardware. If you want, instead of a 30 pin connector your phone could have dedicated USB, HDMI, Firewire, Composite Video, S-Video, whatever, I dunno. But with the 30pin connector, you suddenly have firewire/composite/hdmi/whatever other mumbo jumbo out there.

As for your points, you're right. Audio has headphone jacks and Apple too has decided to leave a headphone jack on the phone vs allocating a pin on the 30pin connector and power delivery you could've just gotten away with anything. Data on the other hand, it says that USB requires drivers to decode the data coming from the device and that decoding is what the article says Apple removed from the equation for accessory makers.

I don't know how else to explain the article.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Lol, for starters, I can use my phone on any GSM carrier without having to hack or jailbreak it. And just a few basic functions people have been able to do for decades, like browse the file system, use expandable storage, and set the alarm tone to any audio file on the system.

Unlocked iPhones are available everywhere. The majority of people probably are not going to browser the file system, use expandable storage, or set the alarm tone to any audio file on the system.