Well I would imagine most people here, an American forum, would naturally be much more upset about the actions of an American President than that of a leader of a foreign nation.
Chavez doesn't work for us, Bush does.
Well I would imagine most people here, an American forum, would naturally be much more upset about the actions of an American President than that of a leader of a foreign nation.
Chavez doesn't work for us, Bush does.
Heck, what is the price on the gas there, .08 a gallon? Or is it .12? Anyway, he seems to be doing better than the goofball we have now.
There's supposed to be an "almost" in there.
Besides, it would be "almost" true if there is such a thing.
I don't see what the fuss is about Chavez, he was elected democratically and i have never heard of him doing anything that's questionable.
However i'm sure there's a certain level of corruption in Venezuela, but that's to be expected in a 3rd world country.
However i'm sure there's a certain level of corruption in Venezuela, but that's to be expected in a 3rd world country.
Yeah, transportation costs and state controlled prices for the largely rich population are indicative of a great job.
So, based on your infinite knowledge and wisdom, please provide evidence that he isn't cracking down on dissedents. Further, provide that evidence from a non-partisan source that is credible.
thraashman
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That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Because you're asking him to prove something that there is no proof of because the actions you're claiming have not occurred therefore there is no one reporting on it. Yes, what I said is confusing. But let me give an example. I want you to give me proof that Bush is not working with secretly working with aliens to spread Christianity to the Galaxy and set himself up as a galactic leader once his term is over.
You get my point as to why your post was retarded?
How is positive proof of a non-event illogical?
Funny enough, anybody can provide evidence that there crackdowns. However, they are easily dismissed by people like Steeple, who firmly believe in the appeasement of any person who wishes to pander to the lower SES classes to get into office and then grab power.
Now, if somebody can prove, through mulitple sources, that there is a crackdown and Steeple says that is BS, then he must have some inifite source of knowledge that absolutely states that there is no crackdown. Why would somebody just provide a boiler-plate answer when they have no backup?
Well, the number one reason is because they are batsh*t crazy and unable to back any of their illogical arguments, but are quick to knock everybody else's argument.
That, or there is some information that Steeple has and I would like to see it. How is that not a reasonable request? I am not asking him to prove anything that is out of the domain of known knowledge or ability to prove, unlike your example.
While your intellect may not be deft enough to prove something without direct evidence through the effects of seconary symptoms, I am sure that Steeple's is. Scientists do this all of the time. For example, they have never really seen a black hole, but they know it exists from the matter jets and the absence or presence of other factors.
So please, bring on the evidence that this isn't a power grab.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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You are the one coming to batsh1t crazy jumping to conclusions becasue you are a hack and nothing less.
If the people vote for him to bad, if someone else came into power most likley they would be corrupted by US corporate influence the same powers that feed you this crap that makes you come to these accustions if this happened they would be back at square one. duh.
He is giving the people a choice, and overwhelmingly as in many other countries US imperialsim is the loser and people are taking back what is theirs.
It is a power grab, its called voting and democracy nothing out of the ordinary compared to other countries to do.
If you don't like it, apply for citizenship and vote against him, it is that simple. Good luck.
Again, please provide proof that he isn't cracking down on media and dissenters.
Wow, yeah, the people will vote for him *today*. What happens if he starts cracking down on them further, further reducing rights, becoming more unpopular, and still ruling because of his infinite presidency?
Then how do they remove him Steeple? Do they start a coup, where thousands die after he has killed him with his supremely controlled military?
The reason why you have term limits is exactly that, to eventually get rid of somebody who isn't popular anymore. Imagine if Bush instituted unlimited terms, we'd all be screwed! Even though he won in 2000 by democratic vote and 2004 by the same (both questionable) by pandering to the lower class' need for security and other needs, and pandering to the rich by tax cuts, he would not get voted again today (thankfully)
Chavez did the *same* thing, pandered to a particular interest to get voted in. Now he is going to use no term limits to grab total power and dictate to the Ven. people.
Now, I am sure you would support unlimited term for Bush, right? Obviously you support the will of the people, so in 2000, he had the will. If we lived by your f'd up logic, he would be president forever.
Thanks Steeple, you would have doomed us to an eternity of GW, just like you are supporting the doom of the Ven. people to an eternity of Chavez.
Yay for democracy.
I love, that just because I don't agree with you, that you try to label me as some neo-con oil lover. If you had some decent reading comprehension, you would see from my prior posts (and above) that I am anything but. I argue from a stance of logic, not parties, and I cannot stand our current wasteful energy policy and I would love for the oil companies to go out of business as we are all driving hybrid or EV while using solar, tidal, wind, and nuke/fusion.
You can try and minimize my logic by pigeonholing me, but all you are essentially doing is being as close minded as the people you despise.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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If we had the UN watching the ballots or another voting oversight comittee then if he wants to try, go for it.
But then if we had legit oversight like venz has we would be hailing to the chief -president gore
doesn't seem to be doing much for thier industry?
quote:
The track record of Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the Venezuelan national oil company, is a striking example. For President Hugo Chávez, PDVSA is a cash cow for social programs, and developing new production is apparently a low priority. Since 1998, just before Chávez took power, PDVSA's output has fallen by 46 percent. Iran, which has largely excluded foreign companies, has seen capacity fall from 7 million barrels per day before 1979 to below 4 million barrels.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12689611/page/2/
quote:
The track record of Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the Venezuelan national oil company, is a striking example. For President Hugo Chávez, PDVSA is a cash cow for social programs, and developing new production is apparently a low priority. Since 1998, just before Chávez took power, PDVSA's output has fallen by 46 percent. Iran, which has largely excluded foreign companies, has seen capacity fall from 7 million barrels per day before 1979 to below 4 million barrels.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12689611/page/2/
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If we had the UN watching the ballots or another voting oversight comittee then if he wants to try, go for it.
But then if we had legit oversight like venz has we would be hailing to the chief -president gore
Don't sidestep the issue, provide some backup to your assertion. If you are going to dismiss my backup as partisan hacks, then provide your own and let them speak, but they have to be considred non-partisan.
If you can do better, then do it. Otherwise, STFU.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If we had the UN watching the ballots or another voting oversight comittee then if he wants to try, go for it.
But then if we had legit oversight like venz has we would be hailing to the chief -president gore
Don't sidestep the issue, provide some backup to your assertion. If you are going to dismiss my backup as partisan hacks, then provide your own and let them speak, but they have to be considred non-partisan.
If you can do better, then do it. Otherwise, STFU.
It is up to you to provide backup for your tinfoil conspiracys, what is in it for me?
Do I get a honorary right-wingnut medal of expectional dittoheadness, maybe with a bush regime leaf for special propaganda service above and beyond the call of usual right-wing factchecking laziness?
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It is up to you to provide backup for your tinfoil conspiracys, what is in it for me?
Do I get a honorary right-wingnut medal of expectional dittoheadness, maybe with a bush regime leaf for special propaganda service above and beyond the call of usual right-wing factchecking laziness?
Wow, lets see here boys and girls. Ad hominem attacks, minimization through pigeonholing, side stepping, and circular logic.
You win a medal, but it'd be more for spinning and being a doof. Seriously, I have provided my links, which you promptly dismissed, without providing your own evidence to the contrary that is valid.
I shouldn't expect much more from an illogical person such as you. You attack but provide no backup. You debate but depend on nothing but spin and give nothing solid. Here, you try to use circular logic to say the onus is on me, but you are the one saying my evidence is crap.
If it is crap, give some non-crap backing up your assertion. Otherwise, just admit you know nothing and stfu. Come on, you can do it sparky, you can actually make a point and have it stick, and I will graciously admit defeat.
Do it sparky, just put some effort into it!
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It is up to you to provide backup for your tinfoil conspiracys, what is in it for me?
Do I get a honorary right-wingnut medal of expectional dittoheadness, maybe with a bush regime leaf for special propaganda service above and beyond the call of usual right-wing factchecking laziness?
Wow, lets see here boys and girls. Ad hominem attacks, minimization through pigeonholing, side stepping, and circular logic.
You win a medal, but it'd be more for spinning and being a doof. Seriously, I have provided my links, which you promptly dismissed, without providing your own evidence to the contrary that is valid.
I shouldn't expect much more from an illogical person such as you. You attack but provide no backup. You debate but depend on nothing but spin and give nothing solid. Here, you try to use circular logic to say the onus is on me, but you are the one saying my evidence is crap.
If it is crap, give some non-crap backing up your assertion. Otherwise, just admit you know nothing and stfu. Come on, you can do it sparky, you can actually make a point and have it stick, and I will graciously admit defeat.
Do it sparky, just put some effort into it!
:laugh: Like I said, quit being lazy and stop depending on others to do your own legwork, I said my piece if you don't like it, cry more ok? Geez am I a provider of right wing propaganda research welfare now? Damn culture of entitlement.
I know you are a 600 postcount troll still, but you do not make wild accusations then expect anyone to care other then yourself. Now go fetch your own bone fido. Lets see what you can dig up, or are you just chasing your own tail again?
Steeplerot
Lifer
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I am hopeful, the people there could use a long-deserved boon after them and their land being our economic slaves for so long. But yeah power does corrupt, but so far his actions match his words, a lot more then can be said for the folks running the show here.
As long as he is democraticlly elected and on a positive path screw the haters.
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
:laugh: Like I said, quit being lazy and stop depending on others to do your own legwork, I said my piece if you don't like it, cry more ok? Geez am I a provider of right wing propaganda research welfare now? Damn culture of entitlement.
I know you are a 600 postcount troll still, but you do not make wild accusations then expect anyone to care other then yourself. Now go fetch your own bone fido. Lets see what you can dig up, or are you just chasing your own tail again?
Look sparky, I did my legwork, I gave you links, which you summarily dismissed, without providing anything.
I know you feel like you know everything and nobody else knows anything, it must be a comforting world to be able to so easily dismiss everything that facts dictate. After all, the sign of an extremist is that if the facts don't fit logic, get rid of the facts.
As far as me being a 600 postcount "troll". You better look at yourself. I present facts and analysis. You present lefty fundie BS without backup. While I have been here 3 years longer, I posted a lot less, perhaps because I was busy getting educated, unlike you.
If you want to sit around and say "my postcount is bigger than yours, so therefore I am better" go ahead, but its a weak argument and a poor point. Anand has less posts than I do, so when he posts does that make him a troll?
I see you have no evidence and are not mentally able to admit your logic is flawed and you lack the intelligence to do anything but post garbage. I will take my victory there and leave you to your own self loathing blather.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Ahh, so this was about a medal!
Claiming victory in P&N with right wing corporate shill links. Or just the concept of claiming victory period in here. Your killing me man. :laugh:
Well maybe you will be a superstar! then all the other dittoheads can line up to "serve" you, maybe even get a special visit from the winner himself, the "big daddy" of republican fluffers.
You go girl!
Claiming victory in P&N with right wing corporate shill links. Or just the concept of claiming victory period in here. Your killing me man. :laugh:
Well maybe you will be a superstar! then all the other dittoheads can line up to "serve" you, maybe even get a special visit from the winner himself, the "big daddy" of republican fluffers.
You go girl!
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Anyhow, back to reality, the corporate toe sucking US sleeze merchant "liberal media" at it again:
Associated Press Falsely Portrays Chavez as Seeking 25-Year Term
Associated Press Falsely Portrays Chavez as Seeking 25-Year Term
Vic
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Indeed. But good luck getting rot to understand this.
On this, we are in complete agreement. Evil is defined by actions, not ideology.
Or to use the simplest and most vivid analogy possible: Hitler was not evil because he was Hitler, but because he did evil.
It sounds simple, I know, but a shocking number of people don't get this. Particularly Dave and rot on this forum.
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