Steeplerot
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sandorski
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It's the Oppositions choice. Chavez has not arrested the Opposition, he has not threatened them, they simply refuse to try. One is not a Dictator because no one chooses to oppose them. The arguement that he is a Dictator because of this fact is utterly ridiculous.
edit: clarity
It COULD LEAD to a dictatorship, particularly if he makes moves to control the voting process over time
sandorski
No Lifer
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Sure, it "could", but so what? Lichtenstein "could" be conspiring to take over the World with a Mind Control device.
He is going out of his way to make this Legit by putting it to a Public Referendum. He "could" just use his overwhelming control of the Government to pass a Law removing the Term Limit, but why doesn't he? He is bending over backwards to avoid being labelled a Dictator. Come back when he suspends Elections or jails the Opposition, until then he is nowhere near being a Dictator or even making himself one.
Exquisite spin from the wingnuts. There's been talk of the Repub congress trying to do the same for Bush, minus the national referendum, of course... but that would be entirely different, right?
The reason the opposition won't run in Venezuela is because they're attempting to portray the legitimately elected govt as a dictatorship, which is a lot easier to do by pretending opposition isn't allowed than by taking another ass-whupping in an election...
The Bushistas talk a good Democracy, until elections don't give the results they want... Witness their reaction to the election of Hamas in Palestine.... and their financing of regime change efforts in Venezuela, Iran, and anybody else who doesn't toe the line. Not to mention the Iraqi elections, where they created a government that won't govern in any meaningful way... a democratically elected non-government...
Most democracies allow indefinite re-election for the head of state, and the US did, too, until after FDR... Germany, France, England, Canada to name a few- I suppose they're now dictatorships as well...
The reason the opposition won't run in Venezuela is because they're attempting to portray the legitimately elected govt as a dictatorship, which is a lot easier to do by pretending opposition isn't allowed than by taking another ass-whupping in an election...
The Bushistas talk a good Democracy, until elections don't give the results they want... Witness their reaction to the election of Hamas in Palestine.... and their financing of regime change efforts in Venezuela, Iran, and anybody else who doesn't toe the line. Not to mention the Iraqi elections, where they created a government that won't govern in any meaningful way... a democratically elected non-government...
Most democracies allow indefinite re-election for the head of state, and the US did, too, until after FDR... Germany, France, England, Canada to name a few- I suppose they're now dictatorships as well...
Steeplerot
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A wingnut is such a useful little device, "The Backwash Boys" is far more fitting for these "dead-enders".
Braznor
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To Steeplerot,
Hitler too enjoyed mass popularity in Germany. Would you have supported Hitler if you had lived during his time???
Mass popularity is no excuse. You are simply denying reality when saying Chavez is not on his way to become a dictator. History has shown that these very same similar acts always lead to the very road of ending a nation's freedom.
If a non left leader had even began to talk about such a thing, you and the rest of the leftist brood would have howled like there is no tomorrow.
Hitler too enjoyed mass popularity in Germany. Would you have supported Hitler if you had lived during his time???
Mass popularity is no excuse. You are simply denying reality when saying Chavez is not on his way to become a dictator. History has shown that these very same similar acts always lead to the very road of ending a nation's freedom.
If a non left leader had even began to talk about such a thing, you and the rest of the leftist brood would have howled like there is no tomorrow.
I was going to post this, but I am really busy. Like I said in other posts, I have family that lives there and all is not a rosy as Steeple would like you to think. I truthfully am afraid to even call them for fear they will dissappear in the night like others have. If you do not see that this is more about a power grab than about "helping the people", you need to open your eyes.....:roll:
zephyrprime
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This comes as no surprise for me. You can always see these power mongering dictators coming from a mile away. It's sad that entire nations cannont do the same. The Italians were smart to get rid of their would be dictator recently.
Steeplerot
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How is this a "power grab"? And link to anyone "dissapearing"?
If this is true I will be the first one to speak out against him, but too much BS from american corporate media and rumors from those who have an agenda. I don't buy it.
But, I could point out some real political prisoners locked up for years without a trial here in america if you want to get into it.
Steeplerot
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As others have pointed out how is this any different then just about every other countrys policy on term limits? More fearmongering.
Braznor
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If he is so popular and loved by the people, then what is the need for him to increase the term limits???
If there is really no opposition? Why does he need to increase term limits???
You are speaking as if changing term limits is a day to day business, no it is not. It is a very serious matter and Chavez doing so makes it all the more suspicious.
Hitler did wonders for the people in germany and pulled it out of coeplete sh*t hole, but the invading and racial discrimination that was the downside. Hitler gained power using force in the end, i see no releveance there to this.
What ur doing is excercing being paranoid. Every good idea can lead to dictatorship, soviet russia is a perfect example of how Stalin turned a good thing to his own use. Now if u dont allow a country to develop how the hell can u expect it to develop? and no invading and FORCING a government (which can be controlled) appon them WILL NOT work. I dont see a problem in getting rid of term limits, so he can be RE ELECTED, that in no way makes it dictatorship and as mentioned before a lot of europian contries already do that.
I for one see Nationalizing industry a great thing for that country. All these third world countries are being exploted and not allowed to develop their economy, just because the large corporations can suck up their resources for cheap.
Hes not increasing the term limits as such, he incresing the ammount of times he can be re-elected.
Steeplerot
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Agreed. The white house is great at propaganda against leaders they don't like. Pretty soon you'll hear some "insider" report that Chavez sleeps naked when their is a full moon and eats $200 steaks each night blah blah blah. They did a great job making Saddam look like Hitler... Now they are trying to make this guy look bad because he doesn't allow oil companies to run his country.
all the bush bashers calling him hitler, or king george. you don't see bush setting up a self-imposed monarchy a la the leftist nations...
Steeplerot
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It is the same crap they have been doing to south america forever.
This country has no room to speak seeing as how we have pissed all over south america for so long and used its people and governments as our toilet paper.
Steeplerot
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Our own policy on term limits is not that old either, since FDR, and yes, king george has set himself up as a real king with patriot act type laws and his attack media/monopoly on our government.
And no, chavez is not setting himself up as a king, :roll: this accusation is laughable at best, but don't let those little facts get in the way, we know reality has that evil leftist slant that you will have no part of.
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