Unsurprising

[Genx87]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194519,00.html

This is hardly surprising to most people. Nationalizing industry, consolidating power, tossing out the free press, seeking to become permanently elected aka a dictator.

But all is great in old Venezuela according to some people.

 

[Polish3d]

But..but.. but I thought he was a compassionate socialist!?!????

 

[Steeplerot]

He is doing a good job, and it is a big job he cannot expect someone else to carry out, if people want him to continue the good work and vote for him screw what the US thinks, who cares if we have 4 year terms, we are another country. And no he did not chase the "free press" out, he is against US administration shills that represent the oil industry, not the people of his coutnry, like foxnews.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
He is doing a good job, and it is a big job he cannot expect someone else to carry out, if people want him in and vote for him screw what the US thinks. And no he chased no free press out, he is against american administration shills that represent the oil industry, not the people, like foxnews.

19 minutes. Your slowing down.

 

[Steeplerot]

I just don't get why these people think the US should own every country and dictate to them how they should run things, sure, it's a ballsy experiment chavez is trying, but it is working, so who are we to meddle?

We are not exactly a positive influence in the world at the moment, at least chavez is a well loved leader unlike the republican admin here who despises him so and that speaks volumes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
He is doing a good job, and it is a big job he cannot expect someone else to carry out, if people want him in and vote for him screw what the US thinks. And no he chased no free press out, he is against american administration shills that represent the oil industry, not the people, like foxnews.

19 minutes. Your slowing down.

And this was an important post because.......?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
He is doing a good job, and it is a big job he cannot expect someone else to carry out, if people want him to continue the good work and vote for him screw what the US thinks, who cares if we have 4 year terms, we are another country. And no he did not chase the "free press" out, he is against US administration shills that represent the oil industry, not the people of his coutnry, like foxnews.

Lenin was right when he said apologists in the west were useful idiots.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
He is doing a good job, and it is a big job he cannot expect someone else to carry out, if people want him to continue the good work and vote for him screw what the US thinks, who cares if we have 4 year terms, we are another country. And no he did not chase the "free press" out, he is against US administration shills that represent the oil industry, not the people of his coutnry, like foxnews.

Lenin was right when he said apologists in the west were useful idiots.

Please, you righties are the biggest state sponsored corporate welfare queen supporters, and you knock experiments in socialism? You have no room to speak against chavez, at least their profit goes back to the people instead of the wealthy investors and the corrupt government.

Stalin himself would be proud of how much you all bend over backward to defend real corruption and state sponsored entitlements to the elites who hold power.

Here let me bold the important part:

Chavez seeking to be elected indefinately

You know elected, which he was, in less contested elections then our own "president" in power here. And a far more popular president at that.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
He is doing a good job, and it is a big job he cannot expect someone else to carry out, if people want him to continue the good work and vote for him screw what the US thinks, who cares if we have 4 year terms, we are another country. And no he did not chase the "free press" out, he is against US administration shills that represent the oil industry, not the people of his coutnry, like foxnews.

There's a difference between his policies and suspending democracy. If he wants a heavily socialist country, go for it. But turning Venezuela into a dictatorship is simply stupid.

 

[Steeplerot]

How is no term limits to free elections a dictatorship? :laugh:

You are are reaching pretty far, chavez has shown nothing to be a dictator, but he is a very popular president taking venz on a huge experiment to make it independent for the first time.

You do not reverse hundereds of years of imperialism in a few years, as long as he continues to do a good job and the people elect him who cares?

He has given his people hope they have not had in forever, good for him and them,

South america modernizing is inevitable as we decline using our resources already in the past 100 years, if he stays honest then we are seeing positive history made.

Republicans were looking to do the same thing for reagan back in the day, and he was nowhere near as popular as chavez or helped the country as much.

 

[Forsythe]

I don't see anything wrong with what he's trying to do. In all european countries persons can be reelected indefinently. Which is what he's trying to do.
Besides, nationalizing industry is a good thing for poor countries, that are simply being abused most of the time. I don't know how much he's done about that though, you're thinking about a different country.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
I don't see anything wrong with what he's trying to do. In all european countries persons can be reelected indefinently. Which is what he's trying to do.
Besides, nationalizing industry is a good thing for poor countries, that are simply being abused most of the time. I don't know how much he's done about that though, you're thinking about a different country.

Chavez moves toward nationalizing Venezuela oil

That is why the us admin and their media lackeys like fox hate him.

He is fighting for their economic independence from US corporate imperialism and feeding and providing healthcare to the poor with "US deserved" profits.

I have no pity for the right-wingers cause to deominize him seeing his words taking form into real action helping his people, a healthy economy down south will sooner or later benefit all americans north and south in the long run over US stockholders short turn profiteering.

 

[sandorski]

What's the problem here?

1) You have an Opposition that refuses to even oppose him during Elections

2) Chavez is proposing a Vote via Referendum allowing him to stay beyond a current Term Limit Law

He is not making himself a lifelong Leader in the slightest by this action, although if the Opposition keeps up their idiocy he may(provided he wins the Referendum) end up being a Lifelong Leader by Default. If the Opposition has anything to offer the People of Venezuela they should think about using the Democratic process to regain power. It seems to me that's not good enough for them and they are waiting for some other method(Military Coup or US intervention most likely) to puit them back into power. F**K em!

Convince the Venezuelan People that you are better than Chavez or just suck it up.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
How is no term limits to free elections a dictatorship? :laugh:

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I will read further on the situation later, but how is running against a boycotting opposition, (ie, running alone) for permanent election anything but a strategic installing of himself as "permanent ruler," whatever you want to call it

 

[Steeplerot]

It comes down to these sour grapes from republicans in the US.

Latest poll shows Chavez enjoying 82.7% approval rating

Bush Approval Rating at Record Low of 33%, Fox News Says

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
How is no term limits to free elections a dictatorship? :laugh:

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I will read further on the situation later, but how is running against a boycotting opposition, (ie, running alone) for permanent election anything but a strategic installing of himself as "permanent ruler," whatever you want to call it

Chavez is not the one forcing them to boycott. It is the US supporting opposition that is deciding not to run, Like sandorski said:

Originally posted by: sandorski
If the Opposition has anything to offer the People of Venezuela they should think about using the Democratic process to regain power. It seems to me that's not good enough for them and they are waiting for some other method(Military Coup or US intervention most likely) to puit them back into power. F**K em!

Convince the Venezuelan People that you are better than Chavez or just suck it up.

Noone is stopping them, except that Chavez IS very popular and getting the job done moving Venz from a third world country to a modern one, (although it is still a long way off)

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
How is no term limits to free elections a dictatorship? :laugh:

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I will read further on the situation later, but how is running against a boycotting opposition, (ie, running alone) for permanent election anything but a strategic installing of himself as "permanent ruler," whatever you want to call it

The proposal is not to Instill him as permanent Leader, it is to allow him to continue running after a Term Limit. If he becomes a Permanent leader in a Practical sense, it will be because the Opposition offers nothing better.

 

[Polish3d]

Ahh I see.

So he removes term limits and allows himself to continually be re-elected.

I guess it rests upon the integrity of the voting system

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Frackal
So when will he face election again if this proposal goes through?

I guess it rests upon the integrity of the voting system

It does not change election dates, it gives him the chance to run again in 2 years when the next election is if the opposition does not step up and provide a canidate who can beat him/or if they do not run at all.

As far as trusting the integrity of voting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_o...ternational_organization_participation

They actually have more oversight then our own elections nowdays

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Ahh I see.

So he removes term limits and allows himself to continually be re-elected.

I guess it rests upon the integrity of the voting system

In approx 2 years.

 

[Braznor]

Nice to see leftists applauding Chavez for trying to make himself the dictator of his nation.

Tell me, if someone anti-left does the same thing, would you support him?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It comes down to these sour grapes from republicans in the US.

Latest poll shows Chavez enjoying 82.7% approval rating

Bush Approval Rating at Record Low of 33%, Fox News Says

Not everyone seems to think as highly of Roy Carson aka....... editor of that e-rag, as you do?

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?query_string=roy+carson

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Braznor
Nice to see leftists applauding Chavez for trying to make himself the dictator of his nation.

Tell me, if someone anti-left does the same thing, would you support him?

How's this anything on the same level as Dictatorship?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It comes down to these sour grapes from republicans in the US.

Latest poll shows Chavez enjoying 82.7% approval rating

Bush Approval Rating at Record Low of 33%, Fox News Says

Not everyone seems to think as highly of Roy Carson aka....... editor of that e-rag, as you do?

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?query_string=roy+carson

vcrisis is the american rag representing the old ruling elites and corporate pawns there and the failed coup, of course they are critical, chavez cut off their entitlement to rule the country through US imperialism, oh well, they cannot be super rich anymore off the backs of the people. waah.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Braznor
Nice to see leftists applauding Chavez for trying to make himself the dictator of his nation.

Tell me, if someone anti-left does the same thing, would you support him?

I find it hilarious what is going on here and the excuses they are making.
This is the exact same thing that happened in every Eastern Bloc country and the Soviet Union.

First run on a popularist platform promising the world, then run the free press out and install a national run news agency, then consolidate power and run your political opponents out of town or throw them into jail claiming they are trying to overthrow the country, then assume the rightful dictator role and pretend to be legit by having elections with a single party to vote for.

And just how has this guy helped his people out again? That place is still a poverty ridden country with little hope for the future.

I bet some of these apologists considered the 11,000,000 to 0 vote for Saddam legit.
And can you imagine the uproar if Bush tried to pull this crap?