UNREAL 2 - Utter and complete crap!

[Vampirrella]

to me its just another "same old same old" crap game. very little gaming improvement over the original Unreal and again NO multiplayer option! (i guess thats why they made UT and Ut2k3)

Still i also miss a good gripping story line that makes sence and gives the player a purpose to even go shooting something. This storyline is so predictable, id rather twiddle my thumbs.. now thats excitement! 🙂

 

[DefRef]

CubicZirconia: Lemme tell you a story...

The first encounter with the Marines happened in an area with low walls and boxes. The Marines had me flanked, but screened by crates, and we advancing from in front. I was hunkered down behind a wall and thought I'd toss a grenade over to take the front guys out. I ready my grenade, look up and THERE'S A GRENADE COMING DOWN RIGHT ON ME!!!!!:Q I bug out, drawing fire from the side as a stood up and had to cower behind a crate and pick them off as the advance. Thrilling stuff.

I don't recall the AI in MOHAA being anything special. I remember that RtCW's AI was teh suck when I could pick off a guy with a sniper rifle and the other guy THREE FEET AWAY didn't react in the slightest. About the only game that's impressed me was Unreal Tournament when I was playing online and it took me quite a while to realize that the other players had left (it was late) and the bots were replacing them.

BoomAM: Get over yourself. Picking and choosing bits and pieces of other games proves nothing other than you have no respect for games. Half-Life wasn't as funny as NOLF and looks ass compared to U2, but so the hell what? Damn few games have advanced the shooter genre like HL did and to claim otherwise is just being dumb.

Other games have made EVOLUTIONARY advances, but nothing's been as REVOLUTIONARY in story, detail and whatnot. That games are turning into short, boring graphics demos is telling. Your first thought after playing a game shouldn't be, "I hope the mod community comes up with something cool."

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Toothpick
I agree...an insult to the original 'Unreal'..which was a hell of a game

I totally agree 😀

but I have not bought this one yet cause of the many complaints that I have read about it and it being to short on gameplay too...

You're "totally agreeing" even though you haven't played U2? 😛

So . . . what did you like in the original that wasn't in U2?

I am really enjoying the game (especially after I went back to Win98SE and FAST(er) load times. Actually, I liked Return to Na Pali better than Unreal . . . hopefull "R2NaPali "2" will be up to your "expectations".

edit: And to the guys that say HL is the "be all, end all" in a game seem to forget that Xen Sucked!. The first part of the game was stellar - the last part was FLAWED. 😛

 

[elkinm]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

the Marines in HL were fearsome strategic foes

Honestly, did you really find them to be fearsome or strategic? Fearsome- give me a break. Strategic- shooting at you and moving back a little isn't being stategic. It didn't make it any more difficult to kill them. Half Life has been played so much online everyone seems to think the single player is far and away the greatest game ever made. It wasn't that good.

Also, I'm not a huge fan of Unreal 2 either, probably because I got my hopes up too high. That makes the new Unreal games 0 for 2 in my book.

I did not think the HL marines were inteligent either. They were not the easiest to kill in all situations, but they were still nothing more then easy. MOHAA AI is better then HL but sometimes the characters go to stupid mode. RTCW AI was good in the silent sneaking levels as all the soldiesrs monitered each other and it took me some time to find a good effective strategy.
The most chalanging marines I ever faced were in Unreal Return to Napali mission pack after I find the ship. Granted I play on highest dificulty with the goal to keep my health and armor at 100%, but still, navigating through the ship and getting all those marines while not getting hit myself was a very good chalange. Who would have guessed that the most chalanging foes were my former friends and not some eliens
I also like the interaction of the shkaar. Such that if I am against more then one, I try to move arround such that the shkaar shoot each other, and after enough hits they start fighting each other giving a most amazing show and only one crippled shkaar left to kill.

Just wondering is Unreal II AI on the level of HL or is more serious and more on the level of the Unreal marines and the shkaar. I hear the AI is good but I was wondering how you would compare it to others.

Thanks

 

[BoomAM]

Why do i need to get over myself.
All im saying is the HL has since bee surpassed my many games, in many different ways, and some games surpass it completly.
HL is a good game, very good when it was released, but compared to most of todays games, it just plain average. Valve milked it too much, it dragged on further that it had to. Just look at Xen. What a piece of crap.

You`re critisising me for not having any respect for games, but heres you saying that HL still rules, although, like ive said there are loads of far better games out the HL at the moment, most of which you`ve probably never played, cos you`re too wrapped up in HL.
And as for the mod community, HL wouldnt be so popular now if it wasnt for the hundreds of mods that people have made.
No ones saying that graphics make a game, just look at DeusEx. 100x better than HL, but the GFX were even worse.

Like ive said, no game is everything to everyone.

 

[DefRef]

I'm not gonna even bother tearing your points apart because it'd be like beating up a kid in a wheelchair - an easy victory, but not worthy of my skills. Keep believing whatever you want.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DefRef
I'm not gonna even bother tearing your points apart because it'd be like beating up a kid in a wheelchair - an easy victory, but not worthy of my skills. Keep believing whatever you want. . . .

The fact that over FOUR YEARS LATER that no one has matched, much less surpassed, HL is remarkable, esp. in enemy AI - the Marines in HL were fearsome strategic foes that I haven't seen elsewhere since.

So . . . your opinion is "more important"?

😛

I like Unreal II. You can live in the past. 😛

EDIT: BTW, you are clearly wong about HL AI.

 

[BoomAM]

Apoppin, we agree on something!!!
DefRef, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but apoppin is right, you seem to think that you are the grand emperor of the gaming industry and only your opinion matters, whatever you say goes.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but no ones opinion means more than someone elses.

 

[Shazam]

Well, I thought it was a fun game. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Sure, it was a bit short. Sure, I would have loved MP with those weapons.

 

[Atlantean]

I have yet to play it. It hasn't gotten really good reviews from my friends. I will probably try it soon, cause I heard good things about the graphics.

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
Apoppin, we agree on something!!!
DefRef, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but apoppin is right, you seem to think that you are the grand emperor of the gaming industry and only your opinion matters, whatever you say goes.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but no ones opinion means more than someone elses.

Does anyone notice the irony of these 12-year-old-sounding numbnuts yelling that my opinion is no better than anyone elses, but having no problem with saying that I live in the past and that HL AI sucks...as if THEIR opinons are better?!?

Hypocrisy is easy when you're unburdened by intelligence.

Get a room you two.

 

[Bojangles139]

i would say HL is better then a lot that is out their now. better then Wolfen easily and unreal and very much so any quake game. Wolfen is a joke, the AI to me seems non-existent. Unreal, there is no real story line to the game, only usefull for multiplaying, and same for quake. also, HL was an orginal, thats why people love it so much. i mean look at doom and duke nuke'em. doom was the orginal, nuke was the copy cat; HL is the orginal, everything is following HL's footsteps. HL might not have been the best in any single catagory, but it was above average in all catagorys. Unreal and quake are just shooting for great graphics and care less about storyline or AI. MOHAA is another story though, that is a sweet game and ranks right next to HL for me. I've seen so far a guy throw a nade back at me and another guy jump on a nade to save his buddies. its unreal. 🙂 AI is great as well. i don't know how many times i've been outflanked by those pukes now. :-(

brandon

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Hypocrisy is easy when you're unburdened by intelligence.

You're clearly the expert on hypocrisy since you can't give a coherent reply or defend your idiotic position when it is questioned. 😛

I don't really think you can tell the difference between HL's "scripting" and more advanced "AI".

Keep believing whatever you want.

You too. 😛

 

[Bananadude]

Whatever people's opinion on U2 it still ain't a good game. Not saying people are wrong for enjoying it - hey, some people get a kick from having sex with little children! Although i would say THAT was wrong. But I don't mean it's something that is not enjoyable - U2 that is, not having sex with little children. Oh dear...

Anyway, as a game unto itself it's a poor execution of the genre in many ways. This is not something to argue about - it's fact. Many games do what it does better, and i can't see anything in it (bar the graphics) which any other future games are going to draw inspiration from. What you like and get enjoyment from is up to you, but just cause something is bad, doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. We may not understand it, and I can't quite understand how some people here say they really like the game. You can apply this theory to many things in life. But standing back and looking at U2 as a whole really does leave little room for debate that at the end of the day it seriously falls short of a top quality game.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bananadude
Whatever people's opinion on U2 it still ain't a good game. Not saying people are wrong for enjoying it - hey, some people get a kick from having sex with little children! Although i would say THAT was wrong. But I don't mean it's something that is not enjoyable - U2 that is, not having sex with little children. Oh dear...

Anyway, as a game unto itself it's a poor execution of the genre in many ways. This is not something to argue about - it's fact. Many games do what it does better, and i can't see anything in it (bar the graphics) which any other future games are going to draw inspiration from. What you like and get enjoyment from is up to you, but just cause something is bad, doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. We may not understand it, and I can't quite understand how some people here say they really like the game. You can apply this theory to many things in life. But standing back and looking at U2 as a whole really does leave little room for debate that at the end of the day it seriously falls short of a top quality game.

Did you pay full price for it? I'd be "bitter" (too) if I paid $50. 😀

I guess my expectations - except for graphics - were much lower than many of the (passionate) posters here. I'd say it is a CONTINUATION of Unreal that doesn't "build" on the "story" but simply retells it (in another setting). I'd also say it is undeniable that the AI is much better (but not as much a "step-up" as the gorgeous graphics) over the original.

No, it's not my 2003 GOTY nomination (I sure HOPE not). But I repeat - I am enjoying it (and am nearly finished even after playing half all over again after reverting to Win98SE to halve the load times).

 

[ScrewFace]

C'mon! Admit it! Unreal II is the best game Epic's put out in the last 2 months!!! LOL!🙂

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: ScrewFace
C'mon! Admit it! Unreal II is the best game Epic's put out in the last 2 months!!! LOL!🙂

Unreal2 isn`t not as crap as most people in this post make out.

DefRef, im not here to argue with you, all im saying is that HL has had its day in SP mode, the are far better SP games out at the moment. The MP side is only surviving because of a little mod called counterstrike. Its a good game. But it has been surpassed in practically all areas.

 

[zodder]

I've just started playing, and so far it isn't too bad. I just bought a 9700, so the biggest thing for me when I bought this game (used) was how the graphics were going to look with everything maxed. It certainly didn't disappoint in that regard. It looks awesome. Maybe when the newness of the graphics wears off, I'll care a little more about the game play. But right now I'm loving the eye candy. 🙂

 

[Lonyo]

Unreal 2 is a fun romp, not really worth full price though.
Half Life has been beaten, by Deus Ex (maybe not a hardcore FPS, but the RPG elements don't really make or break it). DE has better story, and it more fun to play.
Maybe Deus Ex 2 will finally show you people that Unreal 2 was worth it and HL is dead, because without the new generation Unreal games we'd not have the engine that's being used for Deus Ex 2 which WILL be a revolution in terms of first person games.

 

[dgrady76]

I enjoyed Unreal 2.

Most FPSes are so BOOOORRRING anyway, it was at least good to have some eye candy to help my suspension of disbelief. I think of U2 as more of an interactive technology demo than a game. Since I love technology- no problem, a couple afternoons of fun. I would only reccomend this game to someone with a 9700 however.

Half Life was a phenomenon, it's kind of a shame, really. HL was so good that game makers have seen fit to drown us in mediocre shooters ever since. Deus Ex was the only game I played that tried to mix up the formula (and did it sucessfully) too bad most knuckleheaded FPSers either didn't play it or don't have the patience for it.

From what I've read Deus Ex 2 should fit the promise of a next gen FPS that's going to actually be a fun game. It seems ready to really show what this new Unreal Engine can do, while being a fairly open ended, involving and fun game. Of course you can never trust what you read....

 

[DefRef]

Originally posted by: BoomAM
DefRef, im not here to argue with you, all im saying is that HL has had its day in SP mode...it has been surpassed in practically all areas.

Name a SINGLE GAME that beats it for story, design, AI, etc. The reason HL casts such a long shadow across gaming is because it was THE WHOLE PACKAGE. Max Payne had cool bullet time and graphics, but hideously bad writing; Deus Ex had adequate graphics and atrocious voice acting, but cool mission design and RPG elements.

Even I'll admit that the end of HL devolved somewhat to "Super Mario Life", but I've never had a greater sense of accomplishment as when I finished that game - I called my girlfriend late at night and e-mailed friends to celebrate. OTOH, when I finished OpFor, it was a day or two before I mention, "Oh, I finished OpFor the other night.", to the g/f. I'm not "living in the past", I'm waiting for the next genuine improvement - Duke Nukem Forever was supposed to be it, but now, even I don't care anymore. Man, did they blow it on that or what? (BTW: Duke was an improvement over Doom, not a copy. Duke introduced actually 3D levels.)

U2 is a "bimbo game" - beautiful to look at, but not much going on upstairs. When I found myself lecturing the alien pilot about all the factions, even though he didn't really ask, I realized the writing was crap. When I was almost stumbled over the Skaarj lying prone by the water near the mining facility that the kid with the artifact was, I thought that I'd killed him earlier, but discovered that his scripting/AI only triggered him when I walked in front of him. Huh? I broke the scripting of the crashed Marines level and had to replay the level to get it to work, wasting about 30 minutes. And so on...

It's really cool in the "Nighttime in Jurrasic Park" level, with GREAT sound and atmosphere, but how much work went into detailing stuff that most people will never see that could've been spent on a better story or at least bouncy boobs for Aida?!? (They just sit there like immobile domes like Jolene Blalock!)

apoppin: I'm not talking about scripted events. Here's a jar of Vaseline. Stuff it.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

I don't see how you can possibly argue that it's utter and complete crap - Sure, it's no half life but then nothing else ever has been.

It's a very pretty shoot-fest which is nicely playable and hasn't got too many flaws. There are an awful lot of FPSs out there which are far worse...

 

[Pissclam]

How can such a simple topic create such nonsense? blah blah blah

A pretty but eventless game....one mans opinion.

All of this rhetoric is utter and complete crap.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DefRef

Originally posted by: BoomAM
DefRef, im not here to argue with you, all im saying is that HL has had its day in SP mode...it has been surpassed in practically all areas.

Name a SINGLE GAME that beats it for story, design, AI, etc. The reason HL casts such a long shadow across gaming is because it was THE WHOLE PACKAGE. Max Payne had cool bullet time and graphics, but hideously bad writing; Deus Ex had adequate graphics and atrocious voice acting, but cool mission design and RPG elements.

Even I'll admit that the end of HL devolved somewhat to "Super Mario Life", but I've never had a greater sense of accomplishment as when I finished that game - I called my girlfriend late at night and e-mailed friends to celebrate. OTOH, when I finished OpFor, it was a day or two before I mention, "Oh, I finished OpFor the other night.", to the g/f. I'm not "living in the past", I'm waiting for the next genuine improvement - Duke Nukem Forever was supposed to be it, but now, even I don't care anymore. Man, did they blow it on that or what? (BTW: Duke was an improvement over Doom, not a copy. Duke introduced actually 3D levels.)

U2 is a "bimbo game" - beautiful to look at, but not much going on upstairs. When I found myself lecturing the alien pilot about all the factions, even though he didn't really ask, I realized the writing was crap. When I was almost stumbled over the Skaarj lying prone by the water near the mining facility that the kid with the artifact was, I thought that I'd killed him earlier, but discovered that his scripting/AI only triggered him when I walked in front of him. Huh? I broke the scripting of the crashed Marines level and had to replay the level to get it to work, wasting about 30 minutes. And so on...

It's really cool in the "Nighttime in Jurrasic Park" level, with GREAT sound and atmosphere, but how much work went into detailing stuff that most people will never see that could've been spent on a better story or at least bouncy boobs for Aida?!? (They just sit there like immobile domes like Jolene Blalock!)

apoppin: I'm not talking about scripted events. Here's a jar of Vaseline. Stuff it.

Hey, stuff it yourself - you are obviously quite practiced at it. 😛

As I said before, you're stuck in the past. HL was a great game (even though one third of it sucked and the AI really isn't "all that"). Unreal (I) was never considered a "great" game. Neither is Unreal II a "great" game. Big deal. You must be a kid if you either idolize or passionately hate a video game.

Unreal has adequate gameplay, a fair story and great graphics for its day. Unreal II continues the tradition. If you were expecting more, then your expectations were at fault and unrealistic. 😉 😀

I wasn't expecting anything more than a "continuation" of the original. I am not disappointed. I am enjoying the game and the superb graphic detail. 🙂 And from reading this thread, I see other people who also like this game. We are not unaware of its faults - we are just more willing to forgive them.

At least there IS an Unreal II. Where is HL II? Somewhere in vaporland with DNF . . .

 

[brigden]

"Biggest dispointment in a long time..."

I agree. And the biggest disappointment of all-time is awarded to Return To Castle Wolfenstein...