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EKKC

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Originally posted by: So
Yeah, this has been the coolest summer I can remember...

nice. i like how you live in a world at least 10 days ahead of everyone else :p
 

jjones

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Of course I believe in global warming. If it didn't get warmer we'd never have summer.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
lol, climate change. It only became climate change after scientists told us the earth has been cooling for a decade.

it warms and cools in cycles.

Of course it does, which is the point most reasonable people have been making for years.

Listening to someone who tells you that you are made from dirt is about as smart as listening to someone who tells you earth will continue to warm until everything is under water (sort of like a big flood - where have I heard that before, maybe from those other people).
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and we are releasing it (and other greenhouse gases) into the air at unprecedented rates. It's not a baseless conclusion, if we release enough CO2 into the atmosphere, global climate change can occur. Look at Venus, whose atmosphere is largely CO2. It's suspected that at one point in time it had water like Earth. However, a runaway greenhouse effect took place. Now it's average surface temperature is higher than Mercury's, even though it receives only a fraction of the solar energy.

What's up for debate is how large our impact is. I'd tend to think that currently it is not enough to cause any significant climate change, but I'm also of the opinion that we're better safe than sorry. I'm all for doing whatever is reasonable and practical to maintain a more carbon-neutral existence. It would have to be done eventually anyways, as there is only so much dino fuel we can pump out of the ground.


The basic equations that most of yuor scientists use have already been delcrared inaccurate by 2 different studies... Runaway Global Warming is an impossibility.
There is an upperlimit to how much the CO2 can warm the earth, and then a cooling will happen.
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sao123

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: dsity
um el nino?

So how long does el nino last anyway? Is it permanent this time? I don't know about anywhere else, but things have been getting slowly warmer around here for a couple of decades now.

Edit: Probably before that too, but I've only been alive long enough to remember the last 20.

el nino, la nina is a cycle, we are always in one or the other, and ti vaires from day to day, but having long term trend data.

When the pressure measured at Darwin is compared with that measured at Tahiti, the difference between the two can be used to generate an "index" number. When there is a positive number, we have a La-Niña (or ocean cooling), but when the number is negative we have an El-Niño (or ocean warming).
 

MotionMan

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Jan 11, 2006
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When I was in school, I learned about the impending Ice Age (no, not the movie).
My kids will learn about the impending Global Warming.
I guess my grandkids will learn about the impending Ice Age again.

Reminds me of the line from 1984: "We are at war with Oceana, we have always been at war with Oceana." Except, that we have not always been at war with Oceana, and we have not and will not always be at risk of Global Warming. Wait a few years and we can all fear an Ice Age again.

MotionMan
 

Cold Steel

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CO2 absorbs IR at the following wavelengths:
2.5-3um
3.5-4.5um
12-18um
IR total spectrum is generally considered to be 1-100um.
Water vapor absorbs IR at:
1-2um with dips at 1.25 and 1.5um
2.5-3.5um
4-8um
then slowly rises between 10-18um,
then flat lines at max absorption between 18-100um.
 

Rage187

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Dec 30, 2000
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you forgot all the earthquakes. but then that wouldn't fit in to your theory so I guess that's why you left it off your list of recent natural disasters.
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
lol, climate change. It only became climate change after scientists told us the earth has been cooling for a decade.

it warms and cools in cycles.

Of course it does, which is the point most reasonable people have been making for years.

Listening to someone who tells you that you are made from dirt is about as smart as listening to someone who tells you earth will continue to warm until everything is under water (sort of like a big flood - where have I heard that before, maybe from those other people).
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and we are releasing it (and other greenhouse gases) into the air at unprecedented rates. It's not a baseless conclusion, if we release enough CO2 into the atmosphere, global climate change can occur. Look at Venus, whose atmosphere is largely CO2. It's suspected that at one point in time it had water like Earth. However, a runaway greenhouse effect took place. Now it's average surface temperature is higher than Mercury's, even though it receives only a fraction of the solar energy.

What's up for debate is how large our impact is. I'd tend to think that currently it is not enough to cause any significant climate change, but I'm also of the opinion that we're better safe than sorry. I'm all for doing whatever is reasonable and practical to maintain a more carbon-neutral existence. It would have to be done eventually anyways, as there is only so much dino fuel we can pump out of the ground.


The basic equations that most of yuor scientists use have already been delcrared inaccurate by 2 different studies... Runaway Global Warming is an impossibility.
There is an upperlimit to how much the CO2 can warm the earth, and then a cooling will happen.
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Pretty interesting, I'll have to read up on that.
 

bonkers325

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Mar 9, 2000
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people jump the gun every year when a record temperature is hit

newsflash, records are broken all the time. its not because of global warming, its just they way the world works. sometimes it gets hot as hell, sometimes you will freeze your balls off
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: legoman666
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Well do you?

you're a idiot if you believe that 1 summer of bad weather = global warming.

God damned sheep.

yeah, but 10 summers?

...still not convinced :roll:

The earth is 4.5 billion years old. In the whole scheme of things, 10 summers ain't much :p

I think a better question for the poll would have been, "Do you believe humans are the cause of climate change?" In which case my answer would be no. There's no argument that the temperature is changing, it has been changing for the entire life span of the earth.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Originally posted by: legoman666
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Well do you?

you're a idiot if you believe that 1 summer of bad weather = global warming.

God damned sheep.

So you honestly don't see the weather patterns changing? Not just now but in the past?

Changing? How old are you? Even if you say 70, thats not enough of a sample size to show a change in global weather patterns. The earth is what, millions of years old? You think a cycle of 70 years is shit in the global cycle of the weather?
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: TehMac
It's all Bush's fault.

Yep, if the White House wasn't exerting the pressure which resulted in the DSCVR satellite being put in moth balls in a warehouse, we'd have an instrument in space (at Lagrangian point 4?) which was measuring the Earth's albedo and would be capable of definitively giving the answer to the question: "Is the earth warming?" Without 100% certainty on this issue, each side is free to shout "the earth is warming" or "the earth isn't warming" or simply stick their heads in the sand and ignore the question altogether.