Unofficial Trump joint session speech thread

[Zorba]

Longer legs

So does Pence have a freakishly long torso, or does Ryan have a freakishly short one?

 

[Paratus]

I thought he sounded the most presidential yet. I felt he has real compassion for all Americans, everyone, not just the "white" voting block. I, frankly, don't see why he is constantly called a racist. He clearly isn't. He gave a very inclusive, patriotic speech, for which I don't understand how anyone can have a problem with. His vision for people working, lowering the welfare and food stamp rolls, returning to work, a great portion of the 94m currently out of the labor force, etc. There is a faction of society that is determined to hate him and undermine him, no matter what he does. There is also a group who hates Republicans, due to party and ideology. The protests will continue, but the question for those protesting, is what do you want? There is no such thing as a perfect president. I believe we are living in two Americas, one who believes in earning what you have, and one who believes that it's ok to be entitled to what others have earned.

There are men and women in this country who buck up everyday and go make their own life, while accepting the consequences of their successes and failures. The others have not failed, because they never tried anything. In their minds, it should be the government and others, who should provide for them. Yes, they are kind, kitten petting souls, pimple farming, weak sucks. They're also not ever going to be the backbone of society, the working bees, the ones who built anything. Democrats love a victim, but most of the victims are a product of their own inactivity to change their circumstances. See, once someone declares they are a victim, they have given up any sort of accountability and have fallen prey to the system, a system that depends on their grievances for votes.

So, for the asshat Democrats, who sat down during the address.....you look ridiculous and you should prepare to lose another 10-12 seats in the mid-terms. People ARE paying attention.

About that 94 million. I take it you won't be retiring right?

I also take it you had / will have / would have had your college age kids working full time instead of school full time.

I'm going to guess that you also expect all women to be in the workforce including those who could or would want to be stay at home moms.

Finally I would suspect you expect all disabled people to have full time jobs too.

Because that 94 million contains, retirees, kids, stay at home moms, and the disabled.

I mean did it even occur to you that between 0-15 year olds and 65+ that's roughly 1/3 or 96million of the 320 million people who live here? I guess we need kids back in factories and you need to work until you die.

 

[fskimospy]

Trigger much?

#2.. If you didn't get that him making that comment was about lightening the mood after a few somber moments for her then you clearly are too politically polar to fucking matter anyway.

I can't stand Trump, but for fucks sake learn how to choose better things to be offended by.

Yeah, the good old 'your son is dead' joke never fails to bring the house down. Nobody cares if you like Trump or not, cracking jokes about dead soldiers deserves a punch in the face.

 

[emperus]

This is the same kind of fuckery that got Trump elected. He gave a speech without detailed plans and numbers that didn't add up. And because he gave it without vomiting on himself he did well? Tell me what is his health care plan? Obama had a vision of what he wanted before he was elected. What about his secret Isis plan? A month into his presidency, give me an idea of what any of his big plans entail.... you can't because no one knows. What we do know are repeated slogans that often contradict each other. He said we should support our police... That was never the debate. The debate is do we support police even when they shoot unarmed people. Or, how do we support the police but make sure they are accountable and respecting the rights of citizens. It's this BS propoganda that no Democrat would be allowed to get away with. Our liberal media indeed.

Btw.. Here is a report from inside the white house.
Some sources in WH are frankly surprised at how pundits are warming to the speech. Say Trump has not changed, no big shift in policy coming. -Robert Costa

But this morning we aren't talking about his health care plan or his Immigration plan, or his Tax plan or his supposed increase in Defense spending at the expense of other programs. We are talking about a propaganda moment (that he brought the grieving family (not dad who has questions about the raid) of a soldier he sent in a mission over dinner. Nice.

 

[HomerJS]

This is the same kind of fuckery that got Trump elected. He gave a speech without detailed plans, numbers that didn't add up. And because he gave it without vomiting on himself he did well? Tell me what is his health care plan? Obama had a vision of what he wanted before he was elected. What about his secret Isis plan? A month into his presidency, give me an idea of what any of his big plans entail.... you can't because no one knows. What we do know are repeated slogans that often contradict each other. He said we should support our police... That was never the debate. The debate is do we support police even when they shoot unarmed people. Or, how do we support the police but make sure they are accountable and respecting the rights of citizens. It's this BS propoganda that no Democrat would be allowed to get away with. Our liberal media indeed.

Btw.. Here is a report from inside the white house.
Some sources in WH are frankly surprised at how pundits are warming to the speech. Say Trump has not changed, no big shift in policy coming. -Robert Costa

So does Trump get a cookie for not acting like a maniac? He has brought the bar down so low anyone else's normal is the best for him.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Good speech. Optics for Democrats was horrible.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This is the same kind of fuckery that got Trump elected. He gave a speech without detailed plans, numbers that didn't add up. And because he gave it without vomiting on himself he did well? Tell me what is his health care plan? Obama had a vision of what he wanted before he was elected. What about his secret Isis plan? A month into his presidency, give me an idea of what any of his big plans entail.... you can't because no one knows. What we do know are repeated slogans that often contradict each other. He said we should support our police... That was never the debate. The debate is do we support police even when they shoot unarmed people. Or, how do we support the police but make sure they are accountable and respecting the rights of citizens. It's this BS propoganda that no Democrat would be allowed to get away with. Our liberal media indeed.

Btw.. Here is a report from inside the white house.
Some sources in WH are frankly surprised at how pundits are warming to the speech. Say Trump has not changed, no big shift in policy coming. -Robert Costa

The last sentence says it all. People are optimistic that this signals a change. The proof will be in the actions moving forward. IF it was theater for the masses it will come out. If it was a pivot to a more reasonable and rational approach to governance then great for everyone.

Time will tell.

 

[PokerGuy]

Very amusing today waking up to all the lefty's twisting and contorting to find a way to slam Trump. Face it, he flat out nailed it. Your whining and raving about political nuances or unimportant details doesn't mean anything.

I didn't think Trump had it in him, but he nailed it. He channeled his inner Reagan with the ability to say things that people might otherwise not agree with in such a way that they like it.

 

[PokerGuy]

Good speech. Optics for Democrats was horrible.

Yep, looked like a bunch of petulant children

 

[justoh]

No significant intel and a dead SEAL. Would you call that successful?? Trump did in the speech and that ain't spin.
http://nypost.com/2017/02/27/deadly-yemen-raid-produced-no-significant-intelligence-report/

You portrayed him as being inconsistent or contradicting himself, first "blaming" specifically "the failure" on obama, and then referring it to as a success. He couldn't have blamed "the failure" on obama because he doesn't recognize it as being a failure, and his claims of it being successful aren't inconsistent with any prior statement.

This is what regressives do. I don't know if it's on purpose, since you seem confused about it.

 

[fskimospy]

You portrayed him as being inconsistent or contradicting himself, first "blaming" specifically "the failure" on obama, and then referring it to as a success. He couldn't have blamed "the failure" on obama because he doesn't recognize it as being a failure, and his claims of it being successful aren't inconsistent with any prior statement.

This is what regressives do. I don't know if it's on purpose, since you seem confused about it.

The guy who thought him talking about things happening in Sweden actually meant him talking about things happening in Fox News's New York studio, which is thousands of miles from Sweden is worried that other people might be spinning.

You seem terribly confused lately, is there anything I can help with?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Brain dead pact mentality is so yesterday.

 

[fskimospy]

Good speech. Optics for Democrats was horrible.

Interesting how different your reaction to this speech was than to last year's state of the union which you criticized as a 'populist speech to win public approval for his highly contentious agenda'.

Lol. You were also worried about it being deceptive and dishonest, concerns which appear to have dissipated as well.

 

[PokerGuy]

Interesting how different your reaction to this speech was than to last year's state of the union which you criticized as a 'populist speech to win public approval for his highly contentious agenda'.

Lol.

And yet both assessments were spot on

 

[sdifox]

So does Pence have a freakishly long torso, or does Ryan have a freakishly short one?

doesn't have to be freakish.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

And yet both assessments were spot on

Agree.

 

[fskimospy]

And yet both assessments were spot on

You're right, certainly no one could possibly criticize Trump's speech for dishonesty or a populist tone meant to justify a highly contentious agenda. Lol.

I always enjoy watching people magically flip like that.

 

[emperus]

The last sentence says it all. People are optimistic that this signals a change. The proof will be in the actions moving forward. IF it was theater for the masses it will come out. If it was a pivot to a more reasonable and rational approach to governance then great for everyone.

Time will tell.

That's my point. Why is anyone optimistic that there will be change when the white house has come out and said that there is no change in policy.

 

[fskimospy]

Agree.

Brain dead pack mentality is so yesterday.

 

[PokerGuy]

That's my point. Why is anyone optimistic that there will be change when the white house has come out and said that there is no change in policy.

I'm optimistic that there won't be changes in policy, that we stay on the right track

 

[fskimospy]

I'm optimistic that there won't be changes in policy, that we stay on the right track

I'm pleased for the most part so far as well. Trump has been so incompetent and so consumed by weird feuds with the media and government that he's failed to accomplish anything of substance so far. At this point Obama had already enacted a bunch of meaningful legislation. Trump is still struggling to staff the government.

His time of maximum leverage is now through about this time next year and so far he is wasting it by somehow accomplishing nothing yet still energizing his opposition. I won't say he's on the right track, but this has been about as good as could be hoped for considering republican control of government. Keep up the bad work!

 

[emperus]

I'm optimistic that there won't be changes in policy, that we stay on the right track

Honestly, I'm sure you even don't understand what that track is. Why don't you surprise me and give me details of what you think is a successful Healthcare plan, immigration plan, and what kind of growth you think would mean we are on the right track.

 

[HomerJS]

You portrayed him as being inconsistent or contradicting himself, first "blaming" specifically "the failure" on obama, and then referring it to as a success. He couldn't have blamed "the failure" on obama because he doesn't recognize it as being a failure, and his claims of it being successful aren't inconsistent with any prior statement.

This is what regressives do. I don't know if it's on purpose, since you seem confused about it.

Trump said it was successful because information was gathered that will save lives. Intel report said "no significant" information was obtained therefore results were opposite of what Trump deemed successful.

What part of that don't you get??

 

[ThePresence]

Amazing how someone gets lauded for giving a coherent, almost human-style speech. Like what you tell your 6 year old when he finally does something correctly.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You're right, certainly no one could possibly criticize Trump's speech for dishonesty or a populist tone meant to justify a highly contentious agenda. Lol.

I always enjoy watching people magically flip like that.

Here's the post cited for those who actually care about the full context of what I said ...which I stand by to this day. Trump gave a populist speech as well and I fully acknowledge that...but that said, his speech was a helluva lot more genuine and uniting than Obama's speech imo.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...the-union-thread.2417662/page-6#post-37099210

Obama framed almost every issue in a highly partisan light. He framed absolutely nothing in a way that clarifies or even acknowledges concerns surrounding the numerous contentious issues at hand which would give the public a more honest perception and accurate understanding of these issues. He says he wants to help the middle class yet his proposals actually do very little to help...in fact it hurts the middle class in some ways, especially those who have 529 savings for their children's education. Obama now wants to break government's promise and tax these college savings..which is a big '*** you' to the middle class imo. This is the type of dishonest framing I'm talking about.

There were also several instances of false dichotomies and superficial strawmen as well. Here's a couple:

"Will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well? Or will we commit ourselves to an economy that generates rising incomes and chances for everyone who makes the effort?

Will we approach the world fearful and reactive, dragged into costly conflicts that strain our military and set back our standing? Or will we lead wisely, using all elements of our power to defeat new threats and protect our planet?"

I understand that this type of rhetoric is common in politics and is specifically designed and directed towards those with little understanding of the real issues. In my opinion, this was a purely a populist speech to "win" public opinion to justify his highly contentious agenda and preemptively rationalize all the vetoes we're likely to see over the next few years. His speech was deceptive and portions were fundamentally dishonest in my opinion. It was also largely adversarial and did absolutely nothing to advance a constructive and workable agenda for this country to move forward over the next 2 years.​