Unofficial Trump joint session speech thread

[fskimospy]

You forgot to mention the the lower participation rate also includes a significant number of people who have dropped out of the labor force indefinitely. BTW, did you miss the part of Trump's speech last night advocating paid family leave and affordable child care?

You realize that his 'affordable child care' plan is a scam, right? It's a tax deduction for child care expenses which only helps you if you itemize, and most people don't, especially the people who need help with their child care expenses the most. It's yet another tax break for wealthy people that does nothing for the people who actually need help with child care. (shocking, I know)

 

[agent00f]

LOL the Klan again...OneTrackFail... lol

Your history of posts about them blacks & whatnot speaks for itself.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

How exactly is it out of character with a guy who brags about perving on girls he knows to be underage?

If we're going to disregard reality here, I picked the "latter" possibility of what you offered in your false dichotomy, not the former. Did I wrongly assume you know the difference?

 

[agent00f]

If we're going to disregard reality here, I picked the "latter" possibility of what you offered in your false dichotomy, not the former. Did I wrongly assume you know the difference?

Of course you're obliged to say/do whatever it takes to side with trump, or chucky as well for that matter.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You realize that his 'affordable child care' plan is a scam, right? It's a tax deduction for child care expenses which only helps you if you itemize, and most people don't, especially the people who need help with their child care expenses the most. It's yet another tax break for wealthy people that does nothing for the people who actually need help with child care. (shocking, I know)

Under the plan, lower income families without any tax liability would get a larger earned income tax credit to help cover their child care expenses. Why did you fail to mention this important fact? Is it willful ignorance or outright dishonesty?

 

[woolfe9998]

He didn't say "out of work"...he said "out of the labor force" and this statement is true, although I agree that it could be considered to be misleading if one assumes he was talking solely about the unemployment rate which he wasn't.

What the hell else would anyone assume? No one ever talks about the total number of people not in the labor force because it's irrelevant that retirees and people in school aren't working. He used that number because it's a Really Big Number. He meant for people to not understand it in its proper context. As with everything else, crime stats, terrorist attacks, etc, the intent is always over-inflate the problem so that he can be our savior and "fix" it.

Trust me, after time has gone by and the perception is that Trump owns this economy, he won't be throwing out those numbers any more. All the sudden, the conventional way of looking at unemployment will become strangely appealing to him.

 

[fskimospy]

Under the plan, lower income families without any tax liability would get a larger earned income tax credit to help cover their child care expenses. Why did you fail to mention this important fact? Is it willful ignorance or outright dishonesty?

Hahaha, as usual when confronted with the fact that you just said something silly again you immediately start accusing other people of lying. You are almost as bad at taking criticism as Trump. While his tax plan does include a tax credit for lower income families the benefits overwhelmingly go to the rich.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/site...rom-president-trumps-child-care-proposals.pdf

On average, the president’s proposed child care benefits would be much larger for higher income families than for low- and middle-income families, both in dollar terms and as a share of household income. The proposals would increase the after-tax income of families with children by an average of 0.2 percent ($190) in 2017. But those with income below $40,000 would see their after-tax income increase by an average of just 0.1 percent ($20 or less). In contrast, those with income between $100,000 and $200,000 would see a larger benefit as a share of their income, with their after-tax incomes increasing by an average of 0.3 percent ($360). We find that more than 70 percent of the total tax benefits would go to families with income above $100,000, and more than 25 percent to families with income above $200,000.

You're right, better include that massive benefit! Don't you feel silly for touting that now?

EDIT: Added in the rest of the paragraph for context.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You forgot to mention the the lower participation rate also includes a significant number of people who have dropped out of the labor force indefinitely. BTW, did you miss the part of Trump's speech last night advocating paid family leave and affordable child care?

I'm kind of with Doc here. The participation number isn't that important because we all want to retire however I do think that while jobs have grown we haven't seen a pay increase and I'm sure that is keeping some people out of the job market. Obama did well with jobs and did real well with what he was handed, Obama didn't do so well with wage increases and I'll assume everyone on this board wants/deserves a pay raise.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Very amusing today waking up to all the lefty's twisting and contorting to find a way to slam Trump. Face it, he flat out nailed it. Your whining and raving about political nuances or unimportant details doesn't mean anything.

I didn't think Trump had it in him, but he nailed it. He channeled his inner Reagan with the ability to say things that people might otherwise not agree with in such a way that they like it.

His "inner Reagan". ROFL

Sucker minute born every

 

[Victorian Gray]

Amazing how someone gets lauded for giving a coherent, almost human-style speech. Like what you tell your 6 year old when he finally does something correctly.

Well trained actor does decent job on well rehearsed speech and America goes wild.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Hahaha, as usual when confronted with the fact that you just said something silly again you immediately start accusing other people of lying. You are almost as bad at taking criticism as Trump. While his tax plan does include a tax credit for lower income families the benefits overwhelmingly go to the rich.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/site...rom-president-trumps-child-care-proposals.pdf



You're right, better include that massive benefit! Don't you feel silly for touting that now?

EDIT: Added in the rest of the paragraph for context.

I'll grant you that this plan can be improved...but your completely ignoring the tax credit and saying the plan "does nothing for the people who actually need help with child care" is the typical kind of dishonest bullshit we have all come to know and expect from you. Just saying.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm kind of with Doc here. The participation number isn't that important because we all want to retire however I do think that while jobs have grown we haven't seen a pay increase and I'm sure that is keeping some people out of the job market. Obama did well with jobs and did real well with what he was handed, Obama didn't do so well with wage increases and I'll assume everyone on this board wants/deserves a pay raise.

Sure if you ignore actual evidence.


http://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

 

[agent00f]

I'll grant you that this plan can be improved...but your completely ignoring the tax credit and saying the plan "does nothing for the people who actually need help with child care" is the typical kind of dishonest bullshit we have all come to know and expect from you. Just saying.

Entirely expected when sugar daddy gives billions to his peers and throws some change your way that the acolytes speak of his generosity.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Sure if you ignore actual evidence.


http://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

I'll assume you don't need more pay
From your link, key word is inching:

Wage Growth Is Inching Upward

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Entirely expected when sugar daddy gives billions to his peers and throws some change your way that the acolytes speak of his generosity.

It's a lot more than what we got under Obama...crumbs taste mighty good to a starving man.

 

[repoman0]

I'll grant you that this plan can be improved...but your completely ignoring the tax credit and saying the plan "does nothing for the people who actually need help with child care" is the typical kind of dishonest bullshit we have all come to know and expect from you. Just saying.

You classify a token pittance 20 bucks as "doing something?"

ROFL, speaking of dishonest

 

[jmagg]

This election was pretty much the last vestige for the middle class. Consider the alternative.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll grant you that this plan can be improved...but your completely ignoring the tax credit and saying the plan "does nothing for the people who actually need help with child care" is the typical kind of dishonest bullshit we have all come to know and expect from you. Just saying.

Yeah, that average benefit of $20 is going to go a long way and it would be terribly dishonest to ignore it. Give me a fucking break.

His child care plan is a total scam, as usual.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a lot more than what we got under Obama...crumbs taste mighty good to a starving man.

If Trump's tax plan goes through as it is currently formulated Obama will have given the average middle class family a far larger tax break than Trump has. In fact, quite a few middle class families will see their taxes go UP under Trump if he enacts his campaign tax plan.

 

[agent00f]

It's a lot more than what we got under Obama...crumbs taste mighty good to a starving man.

Black pres presides over recovery from abyss, conservatives predictably believe $20 from "mexicans are rapists" guy is superior.

 

[ivwshane]

I'll assume you don't need more pay
From your link, key word is inching:

Inching upward certainly seems more positive than inching downward. But I get it, Obama didn't fix the issue so he didn't do that well. /eyeroll

 

[ivwshane]

It's a lot more than what we got under Obama...crumbs taste mighty good to a starving man.

Lol! That should be trumps new slogan!

"Let them eat crumbs!"

 

[mect]

I will at least give Trump credit that he at least progressed from largely flat out lies to truths designed to deceive. I suppose that's progress, right?

 

[mect]

I'm kind of with Doc here. The participation number isn't that important because we all want to retire however I do think that while jobs have grown we haven't seen a pay increase and I'm sure that is keeping some people out of the job market. Obama did well with jobs and did real well with what he was handed, Obama didn't do so well with wage increases and I'll assume everyone on this board wants/deserves a pay raise.

While I agree wage stagnation is a serious issue, this is an area where the messenger matters. At least Obama tried to assist with wage stagnation with policies designed to provide relief to the lower and middle class. Trumps solution appears to be to wow the ignorant with sleight of hand, proposing policies that at first glance appear to benefit the poor and middle class, but upon further inspection do next to nothing for these groups while providing far greater benefit to the wealthy.

 

[agent00f]

While I agree wage stagnation is a serious issue, this is an area where the messenger matters. At least Obama tried to assist with wage stagnation with policies designed to provide relief to the lower and middle class. Trumps solution appears to be to wow the ignorant with sleight of hand, proposing policies that at first glance appear to benefit the poor and middle class, but upon further inspection do next to nothing for these groups while providing far greater benefit to the wealthy.

It's ok, at least the lower status minorities get shown their place. The important things.