* * * Unofficial NF4 sux thread * * *

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Concillian

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
i just droppe $400 on a 6800GT and they are about to give it to me in the ass if they dont give me an AGP port

Huh? You were expecting AGP on nF4? Chipsets are either AGP or PCIe not both. nF3 is AGP and nF4 is PCIe. They're virtually the same otherwise.

Exactly. Putting both on the board was done, but with a disclaimer about how the signaling differences could kill your AGP card, and it was recommended to use one only for short term while waiting for you PCIe card. Even then damaging your card was possible so this isn't a good idea and obviously why it isn't being done on nF4.

is it really that hard to bridge the thing?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Exactly. Putting both on the board was done, but with a disclaimer about how the signaling differences could kill your AGP card, and it was recommended to use one only for short term while waiting for you PCIe card. Even then damaging your card was possible so this isn't a good idea and obviously why it isn't being done on nF4.

What? That makes NO sense. What reputable mfg, would spend (waste) money, supporting a hardware configuration, that wasn't safe for the hardware in question. I would need to see some mfg documentation backing that up, before I ever believed that.

I thought that the problem was that they were bridging the AGP cards to the PCI (old PCI) bus, and therefore couldn't really run at normal AGP speeds, effectively dumbing-down your card. If they just directly bridged a 1.5v AGP card to a 3v PCI bus though.. that's insane. They do make voltage level-converters, most of the Tualatin slotkets used them. No reason that they couldn't have done the same for the AGP-PCI bridging.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Exactly. Putting both on the board was done, but with a disclaimer about how the signaling differences could kill your AGP card, and it was recommended to use one only for short term while waiting for you PCIe card. Even then damaging your card was possible so this isn't a good idea and obviously why it isn't being done on nF4.

What? That makes NO sense. What reputable mfg, would spend (waste) money, supporting a hardware configuration, that wasn't safe for the hardware in question. I would need to see some mfg documentation backing that up, before I ever believed that.

I thought that the problem was that they were bridging the AGP cards to the PCI (old PCI) bus, and therefore couldn't really run at normal AGP speeds, effectively dumbing-down your card. If they just directly bridged a 1.5v AGP card to a 3v PCI bus though.. that's insane. They do make voltage level-converters, most of the Tualatin slotkets used them. No reason that they couldn't have done the same for the AGP-PCI bridging.

I'm a bit surprised you would question my credibility Larry :brokenheart: Well, since you require proof have a look at the explanation of G.E.A.R. on the Gigabyte GA-8I915P Duo-A on page 17 of the .pdf manual here

Here is a screenshot of it for those who don't want to download the .pdf text

 

[Ilmater]

And now, back to the subject of the original post...

Any of you expecting additional performance from chipsets on the Athlon 64/FX line can stop dreaming now. There just isn't that much room to improve here. PCI will help some, but it was done more for future issues than today's issues (please don't start quoting me all the times that it would be helpful now, I know it's helpful now as well).

Now, you can go back to complaining about how it doesn't have Soundstorm and such, I just wanted to make that clear.

 

[lightweight]

Originally posted by: Brian23
Where's my soundstorm? Firewire support? Performance advantage over NF3-250?

Why create threads that bash on new technology when you could simply keep your mouth shut and not purchase it? It's basic economics really in that if someone makes a product that is undesireable to you, simply do not purchase it, and move along.

 

[Sureshot324]

Soundstorm is a completely average integrated audio solution with just one good feature (DD to digital out) that will only only be used by like 1% of users and significantly adds to the price of the motherboard. Am I the only one that thinks soundstorm as an integrated chip is a terrible idea? As a pci card, maybe, but nvidia will need to bring a hell of a lot more to the table than dolby ac3 to digital out to sell a sound card.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: lightweight

Originally posted by: Brian23
Where's my soundstorm? Firewire support? Performance advantage over NF3-250?

Why create threads that bash on new technology when you could simply keep your mouth shut and not purchase it? It's basic economics really in that if someone makes a product that is undesireable to you, simply do not purchase it, and move along.

STOP STOP STOP.

We should he (or everyone else) "shut his mouth" - while WE are constantly bombarded with marketing hype ? The vendors/manufactures dont hold their mouths shut either how "great" their new boards are etc......so....criticism is definetly legitimate.

If a hyped upcoming hardware doesnt live up to the expections, why not just state your opinion ? Its still a free country 🙂

 

[OMGoddess]

Just like NF2, we'll have to wait until it evolves a little more.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: lightweight

Originally posted by: Brian23
Where's my soundstorm? Firewire support? Performance advantage over NF3-250?

Why create threads that bash on new technology when you could simply keep your mouth shut and not purchase it? It's basic economics really in that if someone makes a product that is undesireable to you, simply do not purchase it, and move along.

STOP STOP STOP.

We should he (or everyone else) "shut his mouth" - while WE are constantly bombarded with marketing hype ? The vendors/manufactures dont hold their mouths shut either how "great" their new boards are etc......so....criticism is definetly legitimate.

If a hyped upcoming hardware doesnt live up to the expections, why not just state your opinion ? Its still a free country 🙂

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WINNAR!