Unmarried teacher at catholic school fired for getting pregnant is suing school

[DrPizza]

As Hayabusa said, it's not for being pregnant - it's for moral character. Sex outside of marriage = fired.

The other case that the lawyer won: artificial insemination.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As Hayabusa said, it's not for being pregnant - it's for moral character. Sex outside of marriage = fired.

The other case that the lawyer won: artificial insemination.

Ahh, thanks. I missed that last part. The decision makes sense now.

 

[HomerJS]

Just curious would these be enforceable..

Can't date outside your race
Can't own gun

 

[Vic]

Ahh, thanks. I missed that last part. The decision makes sense now.

I missed that part as well. I would still say that this is a bad PR move on the Diocese's part.

 

[TerryMathews]

Just curious would these be enforceable..

Can't date outside your race
Can't own gun

As a condition of voluntary employment, why shouldn't they be?

Your argument taken to its extreme would make polygraphs as a condition of employment unenforceable. And probably field sobriety testing as well.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sorry, Tex has his, ahem, interesting perspectives and I saw you mention civil rights. I wasn't arguing with you.

Others have failed to note that there are competing rights which were addressed by the actual act, not what seems to be believed. Consider it a post to clarify which ought to have been included elsewhere.

Gotcha. Yeah this is him dredging up an earlier issue of a nurse breaking her contract by refusing to get a flu shot. A flu shot which she was contractually supposed to have and which she knew was a condition of the job and had had at least one previous to the incident in question. She refused to have the shot and was fired as a result.

 

[lopri]

Reminds me of the U.S. Navy policy in the 70's where female officers had to choose between retirement and abortion (taxpayer-funded, obv.). We have come a long way. I am confident these newly-minted faux relibious fervers would disappear sooner or later.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Gotcha. Yeah this is him dredging up an earlier issue of a nurse breaking her contract by refusing to get a flu shot. A flu shot which she was contractually supposed to have and which she knew was a condition of the job and had had at least one previous to the incident in question. She refused to have the shot and was fired as a result.

Yeah I was there for that one. I think I resorted to set theory at some point. If A is an element of B... 😀

 

[Anarchist420]

i dont believe in the bible, but "the virgin mary" was actually polyandrous and that is the right thing to do but then the Roman (but non-universal) Church actually corrupted the natural order when they defined and enforced marriage as a perpetually binding contract between 2 people. so the Roman Church pisses me off for shit like this no matter how much the Hellena Diocese had an inherent right to fire.

 

[Anarchist420]

As Hayabusa said, it's not for being pregnant - it's for moral character. Sex outside of marriage = fired.

i am sure that neither you nor Hayabusa frown on women who have children "out of wedlock"... you two are too smart for that and i know Hayabusa dislikes authoritarians.

anyway, it seems apparent to me now that the behavior code of the Roman Schools is probably even worse than the public schools and that is pretty terrifying.

 

[D-Man]

The School has made a big mistake. If I remember somewhere in the bible it says something like all have fallen short, let thee among you without sin cast the first stone. God is about forgiveness. How is this an example of the love of Christ. They should rally around her support her. This would show the entire Church and School the meaning of The greatest of all these is love.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Can't blaim her for trying to get some money from this,.. I mean, she probably already has the father of the child in prison, strapped down while she havests & sells his body parts for money.

Liver, lungs and eyes don't grow back,.. so, who is she going to get more money from?

I mean, the $1 million she gets from the government each week, just isn't enough.

Also, this is a non-issue, she knew what she was getting to,.. but, OP has to meet his daily quota of vilifying women.

 

[z1ggy]

If she signed a contract that she would be fired if she became pregnant while she was unmarried... I don't see how she has a case here. She did not get let go for being pregnant-which as some have stated would be illegal-, she got let go because of her martial status during which the pregnancy occured.

I'm no lawyer... But I see it as her breaking the rules of a contract, the terms of which stated she will be fired if they are broken. You can get fired from your job for calling a customer the N word, yet... You have the right via free speech to call them whatever you wish.

 

[Texashiker]

The way I understand it, nothing trumps civil rights. I don't think this falls under civil rights anyways.

According to the nurse and flu shot thread, the employee knew she was going to be held to a certain code of conduct.

If you break that code of conduct you are fired.

In the case of the nurse and the vaccinations, nobody is forcing her to work there.

Nobody was making the teacher work for this school either.

 

[Exterous]

Just curious would these be enforceable..

Can't date outside your race
Can't own gun

Not sure why you would make that jump. Race is a protected class. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. Relating both of those to being unmarried and getting pregnant seems a bit of a stretch

I lean towards the school on this one as its a private employer but I could see the case going either way

 

[Texashiker]

Not sure why you would make that jump. Race is a protected class. Gun ownership is a constitutional right. Relating both of those to being unmarried and getting pregnant seems a bit of a stretch

If you embarrass your employer they have every right to fire you.

If a client is opposed to interracial dating, then your employer has every right to fire you.

 

[nehalem256]

Reminds me of the U.S. Navy policy in the 70's where female officers had to choose between retirement and abortion (taxpayer-funded, obv.). We have come a long way. I am confident these newly-minted faux relibious fervers would disappear sooner or later.

How is allowing pregnant women to stay in the military "coming a long way".

Would any sane person send a pregnant woman into a combat zone? Of course not.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Would any sane person send a pregnant woman into a combat zone? Of course not.

I'm pretty sure they would give her something to do that does not involve direct (edit) combat (the Navy has boats that need crews to run them you know,...),.. but, that requires someone with a normal mind to think of it.

 

[Exterous]

If you embarrass your employer they have every right to fire you.

Broad generalizations are bad because they are usually untrue. Your employer could be embarrassed by having a minority working for them - that doesn't give them the right to fire that person for being a minority merely because it embarrasses them

If a client is opposed to interracial dating, then your employer has every right to fire you.

I am pretty sure thats not true

 

[nehalem256]

I'm pretty sure they would give her something to do that does not involve direct (edit) combat (the Navy has boats that need crews to run them you know,...),.. but, that requires someone with a normal mind to think of it.

Yeah, its not like a naval vessel has ever seen combat 🙄

Allowing pregnant women in the military says you do not see the military as a serious enterprise tasked with defense of the nation, but instead as basically a social club.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Allowing pregnant women in the military says you do not see the military as a serious enterprise tasked with defense of the nation, but instead as basically a social club.

Hey, when are you going to link us another made up story to support your overblown fears of people around you??

I find fantasy and fiction entertaining!

 

[Texashiker]

Broad generalizations are bad because they are usually untrue. Your employer could be embarrassed by having a minority working for them - that doesn't give them the right to fire that person for being a minority merely because it embarrasses them

According to a lot of people in this forum firing a minority because they embarrassed your company is acceptable.

 

[nehalem256]

Hey, when are you going to link us another made up story to support your overblown fears of people around you??

I find fantasy and fiction entertaining!

During the Iraq War women were prevented from serving in direct combat operations.

Yet Jessica Lynch still happened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch

Sorry, but pregnant women have zero business in the military.

 

[PokerGuy]

The clear distinction is that she isn't fired because she's pregnant. She is fired because she's having sex outside of wedlock, pregnancy is just evidence of that violation of the code. If she were married and got pregnant there would be no issue.

She shouldn't have a case, but with crazy activism on the courts these days, who knows anymore.

 

[Vic]

How is allowing pregnant women to stay in the military "coming a long way".

Would any sane person send a pregnant woman into a combat zone? Of course not.

IIRC 9 out of 10 service members in the US military will never get close to a combat zone through out their entire careers.