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University Officer Indicted For Murder In Routine Traffic Stop

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http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...ody-cam-video-released-in-sam-dubose-shooting

Just another bad apple? Officer lied and another officer at the scene backed up the officer's story, fortunately there was body cam footage or he may have gotten away with it. The video is graphic and may be NSFW.

Stop was for not having a front license plate and took place outside of the officer's jurisdiction.

Chief Blackwell on UC officer's body cam: I've seen the video, 'it is not good'
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http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...ith-leaders-to-discuss-deadly-police-shooting
 
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imagine how many people have been killed by cops over the histry of mankind with other cops backing them up as eye witnesses? Only in the past couple years have we had a real peak into this area and its not good.
 
HumblePie said:
Accessory, Aiding and abetting, conspiracy, and maybe a few others I can't think of off the top of my head.
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I didn't watch the video, but unless he moved the body or conspired before hand to help murder the victim, those won't stick. Sounds like he gave false testimony to help his friend cover it up. Maybe accessory after the fact, but he will plea out to obstruction anyway.
 
It looks to me like the driver starts the car and takes off, briefly, before the cop opens fire. Even though he's been indicted, I'm not sure the cop won't get off, assuming cops can fire if they're reaching for a suspect inside the suspect's vehicle and the suspect takes off.
 
Unbelievable. Or believable I guess given how many cops are being busted for this type of crime in the last couple years.
 
smackababy said:
I didn't watch the video, but unless he moved the body or conspired before hand to help murder the victim, those won't stick. Sounds like he gave false testimony to help his friend cover it up. Maybe accessory after the fact, but he will plea out to obstruction anyway.
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The conspiracy would be for agreeing to the cover up after. Accessory doesn't mean he actually had to do anything physical to aid in the murder either. Just the act of helping cover up the murder while at the murder scene makes him an accessory to it.
 
Tensing's account was inaccurate, as eyewitness testimony almost invariably is. Inaccuracy does not necessarily imply dishonesty. He certainly knew that he was being recorded, so lying would be pointless and stupid.

Tensing will probably say that he heard the engine rev and thought that the car was moving. Combined with his fall to the ground when the car did speed away, he could have honestly believed that he had been dragged. If the shooting would have been legal had the car actually been moving, I suspect that he can easily convince a jury that he truly believed it was in motion when he shot.

Basically, I think the relevant question is whether it's legal for an officer to hang onto a car and draw his gun instead of simply letting go and allowing the driver to flee. If that's legal, I think he'll be acquitted.
 
OCNewbie said:
It looks to me like the driver starts the car and takes off, briefly, before the cop opens fire. Even though he's been indicted, I'm not sure the cop won't get off, assuming cops can fire if they're reaching for a suspect inside the suspect's vehicle and the suspect takes off.
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Looks to me they were struggling over the seat belt. Hard to know what I would do if a cop shoved a gun in my face like that. I'd probably instinctually try to get away.

Senseless death. Cop was way, way too trigger happy. Another driving while black stop that turned into death.
 
Venix said:
Tensing's account was inaccurate, as eyewitness testimony almost invariably is. Inaccuracy does not necessarily imply dishonesty. He certainly knew that he was being recorded, so lying would be pointless and stupid.

Tensing will probably say that he heard the engine rev and thought that the car was moving. Combined with his fall to the ground when the car did speed away, he could have honestly believed that he had been dragged. If the shooting would have been legal had the car actually been moving, I suspect that he can easily convince a jury that he truly believed it was in motion when he shot.

Basically, I think the relevant question is whether it's legal for an officer to hang onto a car and draw his gun instead of simply letting go and allowing the driver to flee. If that's legal, I think he'll be acquitted.
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Uh no. Read the news article and basically the Chief of Police and the Mayor are both pretty much saying these officers are royally screwed from the video evidence.
 
Subyman said:
Looks to me they were struggling over the seat belt. Hard to know what I would do if a cop shoved a gun in my face like that. I'd probably instinctually try to get away.

Senseless death. Cop was way, way too trigger happy. Another driving while black stop that turned into death.
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At 1:50, the cop says "Go ahead and take your seat-belt off for me", then the driver says "I ain't even do nothin", and then starts the car (you can see his right hand at the ignition and hear the car start up) and takes off. Very shortly after accelerating from a stop, that's when the cop is yelling Stop! Stop! and then shoots the guy. The cop appears to fall/tumble for a moment before getting back up and chasing after the guy who's made it a short ways down the road and then crashed.

That's what I see, anyway.
 
HumblePie said:
Uh no. Read the news article and basically the Chief of Police and the Mayor are both pretty much saying these officers are royally screwed from the video evidence.
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Exactly. Department fired him and are appalled at his actions. The citizens will be in the jury, not the blue wall.
 
Venix said:
Basically, I think the relevant question is whether it's legal for an officer to hang onto a car and draw his gun instead of simply letting go and allowing the driver to flee. If that's legal, I think he'll be acquitted.
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I think that's what it's going to come down to as well.
 
Subyman said:
Hard to know what I would do if a cop shoved a gun in my face like that. I'd probably instinctually try to get away.
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The guy had already started the car, and it appears was already driving, before the gun was even unholstered. I'm not certain the car was in motion, but the key was definitely in the ignition and the car had been started, apparently in response to the cop seeming to be trying to get the guy out of the car (telling him to take his seat belt off twice and reaching for the door handle).
 
OCNewbie said:
The guy had already started the car, and it appears was already driving, before the gun was even unholstered. I'm not certain the car was in motion, but the key was definitely in the ignition and the car had been started, apparently in response to the cop seeming to be trying to get the guy out of the car (telling him to take his seat belt off twice and reaching for the door handle).
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Don't have sound here at work, but what I saw of the video was the guy trying to close the door at one point. The cop reaches over with his left hand to open the door and the guy tries to close it. The cop unholster his gun and shoots as the guy is still trying to shut the door. There is a bit of blur there added to the video, but didn't look like the car was moving yet. Guessing it was a reflex reaction after being shot though.
 
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