University of Phoenix

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I just think it's funny that most of us are probably internet fiends, computer fiends, tech fiends, etc... and yet we are still unable to process the fact that some online schools are REAL. What is the point of accrediting a university if it just going to be ignored as fake?

Get with the times people.

(I do not have a UoP degree... just pointing out the 'funny' fact that even on a tech savvy type forum even we do not accept this stuff as 'real' yet)

Give it 5-10 more years.

Just because it's a school doesn't mean it's a good school.

But that is really all about perception is it not? Do you value an ivy league school above your average state school? Is a state school a 'good' school? How do you rate UoP versus your local state school? Do you even know the stats? Hell I don't either but I also automatically assume dumbass or some other derogatory term just because someone has a degree from UoP.

 

[Q]

I think a wet Bounty paper towel carries more weight than University of Phoenix.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
That's true but really what is being bashed is an online only university. As long as it is accredited I don't see what the problem is. I can't even remember the number of times I showed up to class just to sit there and doze/do something other than pay attention to the prof. Does it really matter if you're in a lecture sitting in a room with other real peope vs. sitting in your living room?

The problem is that any reputable business school will focus ALOT on softskills that cannot be learned in online only classes (at least for business)

You should have to do a shit ton of team projects as well as presentations in order to beef up your soft skills.

I can verify that this is at least the case for UCLA/USC.

Ns1: quickly, if you saw university of phoenix on a resume, what would your first reaction be?
Senior Manager @EY: eh
Senior Manager @EY: take it w/ a grain of salt

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I just think it's funny that most of us are probably internet fiends, computer fiends, tech fiends, etc... and yet we are still unable to process the fact that some online schools are REAL. What is the point of accrediting a university if it just going to be ignored as fake?

Get with the times people.

(I do not have a UoP degree... just pointing out the 'funny' fact that even on a tech savvy type forum even we do not accept this stuff as 'real' yet)

Give it 5-10 more years.

I don't think anyone here has said anything bad about internet courses, just internet courses from UoP. I doubt an internet course from an ivy league school would be questioned by anyone here.

That's true but really what is being bashed is an online only university. As long as it is accredited I don't see what the problem is. I can't even remember the number of times I showed up to class just to sit there and doze/do something other than pay attention to the prof. Does it really matter if you're in a lecture sitting in a room with other real peope vs. sitting in your living room?

http://www.phoenix.edu/campus_locations.html

you realize there are many campuses for UoP right?

and no i didnt go there. i work down the street from one tho lol

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I just think it's funny that most of us are probably internet fiends, computer fiends, tech fiends, etc... and yet we are still unable to process the fact that some online schools are REAL. What is the point of accrediting a university if it just going to be ignored as fake?

Get with the times people.

(I do not have a UoP degree... just pointing out the 'funny' fact that even on a tech savvy type forum even we do not accept this stuff as 'real' yet)

Give it 5-10 more years.

Just because it's a school doesn't mean it's a good school.

But that is really all about perception is it not? Do you value an ivy league school above your average state school? Is a state school a 'good' school? How do you rate UoP versus your local state school? Do you even know the stats? Hell I don't either but I also automatically assume dumbass or some other derogatory term just because someone has a degree from UoP.

Did your typical Ivy Leaguer bust his ass in high school? Would he have a good background? Does he care about his life path?

Did your typical UoPer decide to attend while watching TV at 2am and saw the commercial? Or maybe he fell easily for the hard sale over the phone? Is he a life fuck up and he thinks he will redeem himself by attending UoP?

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
So I have an opportunity to get tuition assistance from work to enroll in a Master's program from University of Phoenix. I was wondering if any of you have done their program and if it's worth it or not. I'm a bit leery of online degrees and from what I've read online it seems UOP churns out a ton of them.

I just feel that if a Master's from them doesn't carry some weight then it'll be a waste of my time to pursue. Thoughts?

your kidding right? they'rre a diploma mill.

i would toss out resumes that listed UoP

 

[dlock13]

Originally posted by: aldamon
I'm curious about the timeline with these posts. Were these people already employed when they decided to get advanced degrees from UoP or did they get the degrees first and then get hired because of the degrees? Big difference.

Originally posted by: Kanalua
My uncle has a PhD and MBA (Accounting) from University of Phoenix. He does well for himself, making 6 figures.

Originally posted by: dlock13
My brother got his Master's from UoP, and he lives in Dallas, works at the Jack in the Box headquarters as the Marketing Director making 6 figures. I'd say he's doing pretty decent for himself.

He even said if he wanted to, he could have flown to the UoP and been in the graduation ceremonies.

My brother was already employed as a Marketing Director for a hometown franchise called Quaker Steak and Lube. I don't know if you've ever heard, but my hometown was the start of it.

Anyway, he worked there for probably 4-5 years and during his final year he decided to go for his Master's degree at UoP.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, I will throw my two cents in here. UOP is a fully accredited University, so these degrees are not like something from Kanuckistan U or something. Professional educators have reviewed their coursework, teachers, etc and found them to be acceptable, so that says a lot. And as far as "internet" degrees, you realize that virtually every University has online programs now, including the top schools in the country. Not that big of a deal. I took some online courses as well, and I see nothing wrong with that, except you have to be even more dedicated to get them done because you don't have the Prof breathing down your neck.....

Kanuckistan U?

 

[jteef]

Online masters programs are extremely popular in my line of work. (the military, and basically any fed civilian/nsps job) I've known probably 200 people pretty well who have online degrees and tbh, I can't find a bit of merit in the quality of any of their programs. The common theme to all of the programs is pandering to the lowest common denominator. A large % of my coworkers got their undergraduate degrees online as well; most of them in computer science. This seems like it'd be the one of the more suited programs to teach online, but wow, every single computer scientist and electrical engineer i knew at georgia tech was significantly more capable of doing the work than all of the folks i've met with "equivalent" online degrees

since they're so popular in my line of work, i will have to get one at some point if i want to continue the current career path (i don't) I've been trying to rationalize the decision for the past 3 years and just suck it up and do it, but i'm still too elitist about it.

 

[Dear Summer]

Originally posted by: jteef
Online masters programs are extremely popular in my line of work. (the military, and basically any fed civilian/nsps job) I've known probably 200 people pretty well who have online degrees and tbh, I can't find a bit of merit in the quality of any of their programs. The common theme to all of the programs is pandering to the lowest common denominator. A large % of my coworkers got their undergraduate degrees online as well; most of them in computer science. This seems like it'd be the one of the more suited programs to teach online, but wow, every single computer scientist and electrical engineer i knew at georgia tech was significantly more capable of doing the work than all of the folks i've met with "equivalent" online degrees

since they're so popular in my line of work, i will have to get one at some point if i want to continue the current career path (i don't) I've been trying to rationalize the decision for the past 3 years and just suck it up and do it, but i'm still too elitist about it.

how about the people who got their masters online at georgia tech?
do you see them as equal to their on-campus counterparts? or do you think the engineers on-campus are significantly more capable of doing the work

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I just think it's funny that most of us are probably internet fiends, computer fiends, tech fiends, etc... and yet we are still unable to process the fact that some online schools are REAL. What is the point of accrediting a university if it just going to be ignored as fake?

Get with the times people.

(I do not have a UoP degree... just pointing out the 'funny' fact that even on a tech savvy type forum even we do not accept this stuff as 'real' yet)

Give it 5-10 more years.

Just because it's a school doesn't mean it's a good school.

But that is really all about perception is it not? Do you value an ivy league school above your average state school? Is a state school a 'good' school? How do you rate UoP versus your local state school? Do you even know the stats? Hell I don't either but I also automatically assume dumbass or some other derogatory term just because someone has a degree from UoP.

I just feel that classroom/personal attention, and having an actual community of students/scholars is a huge part of your degree. Sure, you can go to ocw.mit.edu, and take MIT classes, but it won't get you that degree, and (hopefully) not because it's free.

 

[jteef]

Originally posted by: Dear Summer

Originally posted by: jteef
Online masters programs are extremely popular in my line of work. (the military, and basically any fed civilian/nsps job) I've known probably 200 people pretty well who have online degrees and tbh, I can't find a bit of merit in the quality of any of their programs. The common theme to all of the programs is pandering to the lowest common denominator. A large % of my coworkers got their undergraduate degrees online as well; most of them in computer science. This seems like it'd be the one of the more suited programs to teach online, but wow, every single computer scientist and electrical engineer i knew at georgia tech was significantly more capable of doing the work than all of the folks i've met with "equivalent" online degrees

since they're so popular in my line of work, i will have to get one at some point if i want to continue the current career path (i don't) I've been trying to rationalize the decision for the past 3 years and just suck it up and do it, but i'm still too elitist about it.

how about the people who got their masters online at georgia tech?
do you see them as equal to their on-campus counterparts? or do you think the engineers on-campus are significantly more capable of doing the work

tbh i haven't met any, but the fact they don't require a thesis for their distance program would suggest its educational quality is much lower.

 

[erub]

Originally posted by: jteef

Originally posted by: Dear Summer

Originally posted by: jteef
Online masters programs are extremely popular in my line of work. (the military, and basically any fed civilian/nsps job) I've known probably 200 people pretty well who have online degrees and tbh, I can't find a bit of merit in the quality of any of their programs. The common theme to all of the programs is pandering to the lowest common denominator. A large % of my coworkers got their undergraduate degrees online as well; most of them in computer science. This seems like it'd be the one of the more suited programs to teach online, but wow, every single computer scientist and electrical engineer i knew at georgia tech was significantly more capable of doing the work than all of the folks i've met with "equivalent" online degrees

since they're so popular in my line of work, i will have to get one at some point if i want to continue the current career path (i don't) I've been trying to rationalize the decision for the past 3 years and just suck it up and do it, but i'm still too elitist about it.

how about the people who got their masters online at georgia tech?
do you see them as equal to their on-campus counterparts? or do you think the engineers on-campus are significantly more capable of doing the work

tbh i haven't met any, but the fact they don't require a thesis for their distance program would suggest its educational quality is much lower.

I got a masters in electrical engineering from Georgia Tech, on campus in Atlanta (with one summer in Shanghai), and I didn't do a thesis. About 80% of the masters students there do not. The professors really discourage you from doing a masters thesis, they only want Ph.D. candidates.

 

[Imdmn04]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I would think that a Master's from UoP is better than no Master's but I would understand many places not taking them seriously.

I throw away any resumes with UofP degrees, Masters or not. I prefer a top 10 engineering school Bachelor's over a UofP Masters any given day.

Yes, I'll miss the a few true good candidates with UofP degrees, but I don't got the time of the day to determine how good they really are in a short interview. Especially in this market, there are plenty of people from name brand universities for me to choose from, I am always going for those graduates first as opposed to UofP grads given that all other factors remain the same. I get 100 resumes, I am only going to do 5 phone interviews and 2 in person interviews for one spot, there are way too many candidates that graduated from real universities for me to choose from, UofP grads just don't stand out in this market.

what if their bachelors was from a name brand school? do you look at that before tossing them?

i dont have a UoP degree, so im not bitter. but i think people are letting the interwebz decide for them on these types of degrees. any degree is only worth what that person gets out of the program, and top of their class from a "name brand" school could still be an idiot, from what ive seen.

The situation you mentioned is very rare (who honestly went to a top 10 engineering undergrad then goes to UofP for their masters?)

But if that does happen, I would certainly value their undergrad degree more than their Masters.

Most of you are missing the point. As a hiring manager, I know there are no perfect way to automatically filter the best candidates. Yes, when I filter by University reputation, I will miss a few good candidates that went to crappy schools. But I know that I have a higher probability of finding a quality candidate from a top school than a crappy school.

Are their outliers in finiding a good candidate from a crappy school? Yes.
Do I have all the time in the world to give every one of them an equal opportunity for an interview? No.