University of California outsourcing IT jobs to India

[alcoholbob]

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-uc-visas-20170108-story.html

This is apparently the first public university institution to outsource their jobs overseas. 97 IT workers outsourced to India. What's next, will the military outsource to India? I can just imagine in the future we'll have drone operators in India.

 

[Jaskalas]

If our people didn't need those jobs I'd say "go for it". But scarcity leads to protectionism.
Hating the University for doing this is a symptom of a far greater problem. One we need to discuss solving.

 

[mxnerd]

UCSF officials say the decision to outsource 97 IT jobs, about 20% to the total IT headcount, was forced on it by daunting economic challenges. The state requires UCSF Health, which encompasses the university’s hospitals, to be fiscally self-sustaining, collecting its revenue entirely from patient fees, Chief Executive Mark R. Laret says.

The hospitals recorded a $42-million deficit in the last fiscal year on $3.4 billion in revenue, he told me

With national debt approaching 20 trillions, how many government jobs should we cut?

 

[alcoholbob]

If our people didn't need those jobs I'd say "go for it". But scarcity leads to protectionism.
Hating the University for doing this is a symptom of a far greater problem. One we need to discuss solving.

It seems to be undermining our education system, no?

First it removes the opportunity for CS students to intern or learn on the job skills at the institution, second it seems to be openly implying the degrees being sold by colleges are worthless since nobody is going to hire them after they graduate anyway. Third, federal tax dollars are being used to subsidize a foreign economy when they could be spent accelerating Deep Learning and AI research domestically to boost our local econony rather than relying on slave labor that will be tossed asside once computers are ready replace them anyway--causing an additonal future pain for former outsourcing capitals who themselves will have a massive population of displaced labor that wouldn't have existed without outsourcing.

Outsourcing seems by definition a lose-lose proposition, not just simply redistributing eventual pain to a different temporal location but creating more problems in the future.

 

[desura]

Indian outsourcing seems really vicious and unethical compared to Chinese outsourcing. I can already see a hostage of data for bitcoin happening here.

The people running these organizations embody the worst of Hillary Clinton's America.

 

[Homerboy]

Indian outsourcing seems really vicious and unethical compared to Chinese outsourcing. I can already see a hostage of data for bitcoin happening here.

The people running these organizations embody the worst of Hillary Clinton's America.

LOL WUT?!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Assholes, they are assholes.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

If only the University of California had a computer science school.

 

[Atreus21]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...t-workers-after-they-train-h-1b-replacements/

Hang on. The column at LATimes omits some pertinent information that the above link does not.

First, the displaced workers are being required to train their replacements as a condition of receiving severance pay.

Second, of the 49 people laid off so far, 34 have found other employment or opted to retire.

Before you accuse me of making light of this, please understand that I am in precisely the same position, with one exception. I was told in the second week of January that my position as Helpdesk Manager, as well as that of 4/5ths of the IT department here, was being eliminated as of May 1st, and that I would get a severance package contingent on my training the firm that will pick up the role. The only major difference is that the company to which IT will be outsourced is an American company, not Indian.

My severance package totals at just over 12 grand. Not bad for 5 years of employment. I could pick much worse ways to lose one's job.

 

[Double Trouble]

If only the University of California had a computer science school.

That's what came to my mind as well. What the hell does it say to your CS students when choose to outsource a big chunk of IT work at the school to India? That really sucks for all the people getting displaced and having to train their replacements. I'd make sure I'd train them in such a way that they'd really mess things up.

 

[PokerGuy]

Typical lefties:

Fair wages! Pay people enough for a living wage!
Wait, we have a budget shortfall and can't just get more money? Fine, fire the Americans and hire overseas people to do it cheaper!

Another case of "do as I say, not as I do".

 

[theeedude]

Interesting. On one hand it's good, on the other hand, it's bad.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Indian outsourcing seems really vicious and unethical compared to Chinese outsourcing. I can already see a hostage of data for bitcoin happening here.

The people running these organizations embody the worst of Hillary Clinton's America.

so when you had this break with reality, did it hurt? are you clinically diagnosed with some sort of psychotic issue?

 

[ElFenix]

gotta keep those graduate employment statistics up somehow

 

[desura]

Typical lefties:

Fair wages! Pay people enough for a living wage!
Wait, we have a budget shortfall and can't just get more money? Fine, fire the Americans and hire overseas people to do it cheaper!

Another case of "do as I say, not as I do".

Thing is that in articles most of the workers being replaced made low six digits salary, and from the article if looks like UCal hopes to save roughly half. If you take the fee the outsourcing company takes and like a 40k-50k salary for the Indian workers, we'll, they could easily have just insourced those jobs to elsewhere in America. There's no good reason why they couldn't find some guy in South Dakota or Idaho to take the job for 45k.

 

[agent00f]

Thing is that in articles most of the workers being replaced made low six digits salary, and from the article if looks like UCal hopes to save roughly half. If you take the fee the outsourcing company takes and like a 40k-50k salary for the Indian workers, we'll, they could easily have just insourced those jobs to elsewhere in America. There's no good reason why they couldn't find some guy in South Dakota or Idaho to take the job for 45k.

50k in indian buys a lot more talent than bumfuksville.

 

[1prophet]

50k in indian buys a lot more talent than bumfuksville.

How "profits only matter, cheaper is better" Republican of you, like most phony liberals all for social justice issues except when it hits them in the pocket then they back-stab the entire struggling working class which until recently was the foundation of the democrats.

They pretend they are for unions, workers rights, living wages, income equality, regulation upon regulation on businesses, etc. but balk when it comes to paying for all that because "REASONS"

And then the fools wonder how someone like Trump gets elected.

 

[desura]

How "profits only matter, cheaper is better" Republican of you, like most phony liberals all for social justice issues except when it hits them in the pocket then they back-stab the entire struggling working class which until recently was the foundation of the democrats.

They pretend they are for unions, workers rights, living wages, income equality, regulation upon regulation on businesses, etc. but balk when it comes to paying for all that because "REASONS"

And then the fools wonder how someone like Trump gets elected.

There is a subtle attitude from the Hillary Clinton set that despises American labor.

 

[Maxima1]

How "profits only matter, cheaper is better" Republican of you, like most phony liberals all for social justice issues except when it hits them in the pocket then they back-stab the entire struggling working class which until recently was the foundation of the democrats.

They pretend they are for unions, workers rights, living wages, income equality, regulation upon regulation on businesses, etc. but balk when it comes to paying for all that because "REASONS"

Unionization in the US doesn't have wide market penetration, so that's just favoring certain workers over others. The UC system is hardly working class, btw. CSU pays more than private market forces and UC system goes above and beyond that for their employees because they can easily extract rents from the schlubs in the private sector. A person who supports the current union/public regime that just is an arm of the Democratic party for bribes is not a progressive.

And then the fools wonder how someone like Trump gets elected.

Trump definitely isn't for the working class. All those dolts that voted for him with that mindset are indeed stupid.

Thing is that in articles most of the workers being replaced made low six digits salary, and from the article if looks like UCal hopes to save roughly half. If you take the fee the outsourcing company takes and like a 40k-50k salary for the Indian workers, we'll, they could easily have just insourced those jobs to elsewhere in America.

They could have easily slashed compensation across the board for many of the positions there and been able to keep Americans in the IT department. They could also do away with the ridiculous administrative layering and inspectors inspecting inspectors. It's ridiculous that campus cops get six figure salaries just to investigate petty crimes and stroll around in a patrol car. And when an actual arrest is made, every stupid thing "needs" to be analyzed.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/33108874/sdsu-controversial-arrest-caught-on-camera

"The university said the incident will be evaluated and reviewed by the field supervisor, a lieutenant, a use-of-force expert and the Chief of Police."

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of public school teachers collect 40 years of pension money after 20 years of work. gg you old f*cking liberal baby boomers.

 

[agent00f]

How "profits only matter, cheaper is better" Republican of you, like most phony liberals all for social justice issues except when it hits them in the pocket then they back-stab the entire struggling working class which until recently was the foundation of the democrats.

You mean how capitalist, which is the economic incentive system in play. Why would any entity within disadvantage themselves to the benefit of competing selfish characters?

Seems it's a lot more effective to enact a system which encourages more magnanimous behavior. Also seems your obligatory stance here is disagreement with this, or anything else remotely intelligent.

They pretend they are for unions, workers rights, living wages, income equality, regulation upon regulation on businesses, etc. but balk when it comes to paying for all that because "REASONS"

Centrism is evidently the price to pay for the right wing.

And then the fools wonder how someone like Trump gets elected.

Apparently he did rather well with the mexicans are rapists platform.

 

[bshole]

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of public school teachers collect 40 years of pension money after 20 years of work. gg you old f*cking liberal baby boomers.

....they hell are you talking about?! My wife has been teaching for nearly 30 years and needs 10 more to get that pension. She probably won't make it because her health is failing. Teachers make a decent wage and compensation but it is significantly less than other professionals.

The constant hate and venom sprayed at teachers in a non-ending stream for the last few decades by talk radio is creating an artificial shortage of teachers which in turn could end up increasing teacher compensation as schools scramble for teachers.

Bottom line: for all the mouth breathers screaming about teacher compensation. If you are so god damn jealous go get your fucking teaching degree and get on the "gravy train". There are a shit ton of job openings in the inner city of Milwaukee. Get back to me about what a great job it is.

MILWAUKEE -- Punched, kicked, and injured, it's what Milwaukee Public School teachers report facing on a regular basis at the hands of students.


CBS 58 News found dozens of claims of battery, assaults, and fights. One former staff member is speaking out to CBS 58's investigative team, saying bottom line, teachers are in danger.


"They are in danger." Danger is the reason MPS teacher David Larson quit. He says MPS teachers are afraid to work and put in the middle of out of control fights.

http://www.cbs58.com/story/26860995/the-bottom-line-investigation-mps-teachers-assaulted-by-students

One of those students is Naomi Poquette, a senior student teaching at Longfellow Middle School in La Crosse.

"They are just some of the most genuine people I've ever had the pleasure to interact with and it's awesome to be able to do that every single day," Poquette said.

The statewide teacher shortage is felt by nearly every district in the state, especially rural ones. Often times, smaller districts are forced into bidding wars with other districts in order to attract the best talent.

http://www.wqow.com/story/33867962/2016/12/Monday/digging-deeper-wisconsin-teacher-shortage

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think he means LEO'S. It will be the last union standing

 

[BoomerD]

By all means, we should drop teacher pay and benefits to match the local Wal-Mart...after all, they're just glorified babysitters...right?

Of course, when you do, you can't bitch about the quality of teechurs you get...or the edukashun you're childrun end up with.

 

[Maxima1]

....they hell are you talking about?! My wife has been teaching for nearly 30 years and needs 10 more to get that pension. She probably won't make it because her health is failing. Teachers make a decent wage and compensation but it is significantly less than other professionals.

It depends on the state obviously. Teacher's are at almost $60k median. That's better than many more mentally demanding professional jobs, which some are based solely in high-cost living areas, while teachers are spread out in a lot of areas. Teachers also work significantly less throughout the year. Teachers also benefit from job security, which economists estimate is worth up to 15% of salary. Teachers also have a better back end.

I also wouldn't characterize all teachers as "professionals". Despite some subjects requiring more competence (e.g. math or science), there's very little variance in pay between subjects. A high school graduate could easily do some of them (e.g. art, keyboarding, PE, etc.)

The constant hate and venom sprayed at teachers in a non-ending stream for the last few decades by talk radio is creating an artificial shortage of teachers which in turn could end up increasing teacher compensation as schools scramble for teachers.

The artificial shortage is created by the teacher unions. We know class sizes should be bigger, since it isn't detrimental to standardized test scores, but that isn't in their interest, so it doesn't happen. Heck, in colleges, class sizes can be up to 300+, and I never felt that degrades the quality of the education because most learning happens on the student's own time.

Bottom line: for all the mouth breathers screaming about teacher compensation. If you are so god damn jealous go get your fucking teaching degree and get on the "gravy train".

That's such an idiotic argument. Would you say the same about the corrupt Brazilian government where public compensation and work conditions (e.g. lifetime tenure and security) is even more disparate?

There are a shit ton of job openings in the inner city of Milwaukee. Get back to me about what a great job it is.

Your argument is basically akin to saying cops in NJ, CA. etc. aren't overpaid because there's a cop making $50k in Detroit in a crime ridden area.

http://www.cbs58.com/story/26860995/the-bottom-line-investigation-mps-teachers-assaulted-by-students

http://www.wqow.com/story/33867962/2016/12/Monday/digging-deeper-wisconsin-teacher-shortage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAsTXtowZVQ

When were you last a student? I wasn't in an affluent area, but I've never seen anyone get seriously confrontational with a teacher. At most, little antics with the substitute teachers. There was even a segment on Oprah saying it wasn't a stressful job. Using a crappy inner city school as an example is just disingenuous, and it's not as bad as you make it out to be either. Heck, Uber drivers get rude and obnoxious riders after ever so often that may get them injured or killed. That's why they rate them, so you don't have to deal with a schmuck as often if it weren't in place. But they definitely aren't compensated for it.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Two-Uber-drivers-shot-and-killed-in-separate-6963326.php