University of California outsourcing IT jobs to India

[Maxima1]

By all means, we should drop teacher pay and benefits to match the local Wal-Mart...after all, they're just glorified babysitters...right?

Of course, when you do, you can't bitch about the quality of teechurs you get...or the edukashun you're childrun end up with.

Private sector teachers get substantially less in compensation, yet private schools do even better because the kids make the schools, not the teachers.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm in hardware support. I work with outsourced accounts on a regular basis. The latest craze is what I call in-sourcing. Contracting IT to a vendor, your staff trains vendor staff for a couple months(or no severance), incoming staff is almost 100% H1B visas.

It's very difficult, as a vendor, to work through the language barrier with people who essentially have very little experience.

The outgoing staff are almost always well versed in their specific area of IT, making aspects of my position easier for them to access and vise versa.

 

[Jimzz]

Private sector teachers get substantially less in compensation, yet private schools do even better because the kids make the schools, not the teachers.

No; private schools do better as they kick out kids that do not do well. They also do not have to bus kids, take handicap kids, etc... When you stack the deck from day 1 you should not be surprised at the results.

 

[bshole]

The artificial shortage is created by the teacher unions.

Got data backing that up? See the chart below to see what data look likes. You see when fewer people go into the profession, there are fewer people that teach. If these trends continue, teacher compensation is going to skyrocket until the compensation reaches a level that attracts more people into the profession.

Regarding compensation:

At age 25, teachers make 89% of the earnings of non-teachers of similar age and education, ranking the state eighth in the nation. The picture isn’t as bright for older educators: At age 45, the figure is 77%, though Wisconsin still ranks 10th.

http://projects.jsonline.com/news/2016/12/21/schools-face-tougher-task-in-finding-teachers.html

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let's not forget to take into account how teachers spend out of pocket to support their own classrooms.

 

[Maxima1]

No; private schools do better as they kick out kids that do not do well. They also do not have to bus kids, take handicap kids, etc... When you stack the deck from day 1 you should not be surprised at the results.

I just said that they have the better students. My point is that school performance is determined mainly by the students. Other evidence pointing to this is how useless seniority is with teaching. It's not uncommon to see a teacher starting out or with only a few years teaching more effectively.

Got data backing that up? See the chart below to see what data look likes. You see when fewer people go into the profession, there are fewer people that teach. If these trends continue, teacher compensation is going to skyrocket until the compensation reaches a level that attracts more people into the profession.

I would be hesitant to do class size increase in early grades, but it's asinine to think it matters in middle and high school. No teacher teaches one on one. Students hardly ever ask questions, especially the ones who would actually need to, etc. Increasing class size also raises the quality of teachers as less mediocrity is let in and then they get to take even more students.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...class-size-matter-research-reveals-surprises/

"But despite more than four decades of research in the U.S. and abroad, the effects of this simple idea about how to raise student achievement have been hard to isolate and measure, leading to academic squabbles over its value.


Researchers generally agree that lower class sizes, at least in the earliest grades, are linked to positive educational benefits such as better test scores, fewer dropouts and higher graduation rates, especially for disadvantaged children."

At age 25, teachers make 89% of the earnings of non-teachers of similar age and education, ranking the state eighth in the nation. The picture isn’t as bright for older educators: At age 45, the figure is 77%, though Wisconsin still ranks 10th.

Studies suggesting this are frankly retarded. They act like an engineering or chemistry degree is on the same level as an education degree when that is one of the least challenging degrees universities offer. There is also less sheepskin effect because everyone knows less rigorous degrees makes students put in less effort as effort isn't necessary to get a good grade.

The study also must not be including fringe benefits (e.g. the subsidized health benefits) and the back end.

Edit:

A sampling of occupations with median wages higher than those of teachers: lawyers, actuaries, undertakers, insurance underwriters, college political science professors, tile setters, funeral service managers, art directors, loan officers, web developers and train engineers.

Edit: GOOD GRIEF!!!! They are! Comparing to lawyers and actuaries is completely asinine. Especially actuaries, since the actuarial tests are like getting a Ph.D. in rigorous material. Even pure math majors can't necessarily hack it.And obviously many of the rest don't have a back end and fringe benefits near the level of the teacher.

Let's not forget to take into account how teachers spend out of pocket to support their own classrooms.

LOL Complete bull

 

[ch33zw1z]

LOL Complete bull

Nope, not in our school district. I'm happy that's not your experience though.

Not only that, the schools regularly send home requests for supplies from the parents.

 

[bshole]

I would be hesitant to do class size increase in early grades, but it's asinine to think it matters in middle and high school. No teacher teaches one on one. Students hardly ever ask questions, especially the ones who would actually need to, etc. Increasing class size also raises the quality of teachers as less mediocrity is let in and then they get to take even more students.
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Your assertion was that the teacher shortage was due to the teachers union and class size. My assertion was that the teacher shortage was due to people no longer going into the profession. I backed up my assertion with hard data showing that there has been a DRAMATIC decrease in people studying to become teachers.

Please back up you assertion or I will consider you defeated on that point and we can go on to discuss why teaching has become such an unattractive option to young people. You would think a profession that is such an overpaid "gravy train" would attract swarms of people wanting to break off a piece of the action.

 

[Maxima1]

Your assertion was that the teacher shortage was due to the teachers union and class size. My assertion was that the teacher shortage was due to people no longer going into the profession. I backed up my assertion with hard data showing that there has been a DRAMATIC decrease in people studying to become teachers.

It's in the news, so it's going to have more dramatic effect. People are also ignorant about public sector compensation. The fringe and bank end benefits are much better in public. One reason why private sector got rid of pensions is because they suck for attraction and retention. Most people don't look that far in the future.

You also didn't exactly prove your point. What is the ratio of applicants to job openings? There was a recent news article on less people becoming cops due to the police PR and constant news about how "dangerous" the job is with the few police deaths over racial tensions, but departments still get many applicants.

Please back up you assertion or I will consider you defeated on that point and we can go on to discuss why teaching has become such an unattractive option to young people. You would think a profession that is such an overpaid "gravy train" would attract swarms of people wanting to break off a piece of the action.

I would argue that teacher PR makes it less attractive in much the same way that there's a similar irrational fear with the military. People act like military is underpaid when they are grossly overpaid, even enlisted.

This here shows how ludicrous it is without even accounting for the TRICARE for life and $1.8 million pension after doing only 20 yrs. Same goes for teachers.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Offshoring by a publicly funded entity should be prohibited.