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Universal Healthcare in Injury Lawsuits?

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DCal430

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Here in the U.S with private healthcare, if a 3rd party causes injures and your health insurance company pays for the medical care, they will have you sue the other party for reimbursement for their cost.

Does this happen in a place like Canada with universal healthcare, will the government sue the party that injured your for reimbursement of their cost?
 
We don't have personal injury lawsuits here in NZ (well, that's not 100% accurate, but it's generally true 99% of the time). In the case of accidents, we have what's known as a no-fault healthcare scheme in which every NZ'er (in fact, everyone in NZ including tourists) are covered for 100% of their medical expenses.

Every working person and every business owner pays a levy into this scheme - so it's basically a single-provider health insurance scheme. It's often touted as the envy of the world, and works extremely well.
 
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AFAIK, they dont bother with it. I've never heard of them trying to get money of out someone that caused an accident or whatever.

The gov isnt in the business of suing people. It would be a PR nightmare anyway.

Can you imagine if some women with 10 kids who was drink driving and ran over some dude, and the gov came after her from money? It would be messy as hell. The chick would run to the tv stations bitching about the gov making her kids go hungry.
 
it would miss the point anyway, right? single payer means the taxpayers pay for everything/everyone with no responsibility
 
DCal430 said:
Here in the U.S with private healthcare, if a 3rd party causes injures and your health insurance company pays for the medical care, they will have you sue the other party for reimbursement for their cost.

Does this happen in a place like Canada with universal healthcare, will the government sue the party that injured your for reimbursement of their cost?
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Not true.
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
Kind of. Healthcare is a human right, not a privilage afforded to only the rich.
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weird concept.

those trained in healthcare have always, in all recorded history, been ascribed to the strange and weird fraternity of "those holding secrets," even in the days before germ theory and in many ways, persists until this day.

It was always the privilege of the wealthy to gain access to this fraternal order (trained doctors were not unlike alchemists for quite some time).

I'm not saying that it's right, just a bit of history.
 
zinfamous said:
weird concept.

those trained in healthcare have always, in all recorded history, been ascribed to the strange and weird fraternity of "those holding secrets," even in the days before germ theory and in many ways, persists until this day.

It was always the privilege of the wealthy to gain access to this fraternal order (trained doctors were not unlike alchemists for quite some time).

I'm not saying that it's right, just a bit of history.
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Yeah, fuck progress. Lets go back to how things were in the 1600's.
 
Not in the UK... It doesn't cost anything so why would we sue them for personal injury, that being said you can sue them for compensation, unrelated to medical bills.
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
Yeah, fuck progress. Lets go back to how things were in the 1600's.
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simply saying.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the Ayn Rand "health care is no right!" zealotry and machinations of FoBot as well.

some also seem to think that their wasteful (absurdly massive and unnecessary in scope) military is, actually a human right. Something they deserve simply for being born a citizen of x country. They remind you of these things whenever you don't stand for the flag (whether it be out of apathy or you're doing something else), or you must, by rights, "pay respect to all those."

Now--don't get me wrong. I agree wtih the honor in all of this, the fact that these people make sacrifices for everyone else, because this is what they believe.

amazing, to me. It really is.

Yet, for whatever reason, we have a large, and preposterously tunnel-visioned segment of this country that can't seem to realize that there are people in this world that, --GASP!-- actually want to sacrifice in other ways!

D: Holy shit! they might want to serve this country by....OMG--learning how to heal and not taking preposterous amounts of money by doing so, and not being beholden to the massive whore of the insurance industry that has strangled this country towards diabeetus, rotten teeth, and general health apathy. Amazing, I know, that there are other possible ways to serve others and if, holy shit, if they only let their opinions be known!

:hmm:

oh wait, they have.

http://www.pnhp.org/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/31/idUSN31432035

http://alison-bass.blogspot.com/2009/06/now-is-time-to-fight-for-public-health.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0813-03.htm
 
HAL9000 said:
Not in the UK... It doesn't cost anything so why would we sue them for personal injury, that being said you can sue them for compensation, unrelated to medical bills.
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neackbeard, you already know it costs a shit ton of money.

not as much as it costs over here, obviously, but healthcare costs a shit ton of money, wherever you are.

stop being foolish.
 
zinfamous said:
simply saying.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the Ayn Rand "health care is no right!" zealotry and machinations of FoBot as well.

some also seem to think that their wasteful (absurdly massive and unnecessary in scope) military is, actually a human right. Something they deserve simply for being born a citizen of x country. They remind you of these things whenever you don't stand for the flag (whether it be out of apathy or you're doing something else), or you must, by rights, "pay respect to all those."

Now--don't get me wrong. I agree wtih the honor in all of this, the fact that these people make sacrifices for everyone else, because this is what they believe.

amazing, to me. It really is.

Yet, for whatever reason, we have a large, and preposterously tunnel-visioned segment of this country that can't seem to realize that there are people in this world that, --GASP!-- actually want to sacrifice in other ways!

D: Holy shit! they might want to serve this country by....OMG--learning how to heal and not taking preposterous amounts of money by doing so, and not being beholden to the massive whore of the insurance industry that has strangled this country towards diabeetus, rotten teeth, and general health apathy. Amazing, I know, that there are other possible ways to serve others and if, holy shit, if they only let their opinions be known!

:hmm:

oh wait, they have.

http://www.pnhp.org/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/31/idUSN31432035

http://alison-bass.blogspot.com/2009/06/now-is-time-to-fight-for-public-health.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0813-03.htm
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It baffles me that you guys live in a country where you hero worship soldiers, people who "serve their country" and yet the notion that everyone could serve their country to make it better for everyone else in it, by paying slightly higher taxes so that you can have healthcare for all is some kind of communist plot to destroy society.... Mental.
 
zinfamous said:
neackbeard, you already know it costs a shit ton of money.

not as much as it costs over here, obviously, but healthcare costs a shit ton of money, wherever you are.

stop being foolish.
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I don't pay for my healthcare. It doesn't have to cost, unless you are in a position to afford it.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Not true.
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It it is true, I know someone who was injured in an auto accident his health insurance company had him sue the other party. His auto insurance also had him sue the other party too. When I was self injured the insurance company sent a letter for me to verify that it wasn't a 3rd party injury so they could have me sue them.

There is a clause in every health insurance I have seen that says you will engage in litigation against any party that causes you injury for which the insurance company had to pay.
 
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HAL9000 said:
Not in the UK... It doesn't cost anything so why would we sue them for personal injury, that being said you can sue them for compensation, unrelated to medical bills.
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You sue on behalf of the insurance company.

We don't get the money from the lawsuit, the insurance company does.
 
DCal430 said:
You sue on behalf of the insurance company.

We don't get the money from the lawsuit, the insurance company does.
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Ah that's a shame, as we don't (normally) have health insurance companies, we don't have to go through them, we get the money.
 
FoBoT said:
it would miss the point anyway, right? single payer means the taxpayers pay for everything/everyone with no responsibility
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Taxpayers pay for everything, sure. It's a lot better than Taxpayers paying for just 65 year olds and older, while paying what it would cost to cover everyone. Medicare is so fucking expensive because the rest of the broken health care industry has had runaway inflation for years. If Clinton's plan hadn't been killed in 1993, we would be spending about what we spend now on medicare and medicaid, but would be covering everyone.

Not that a wingnut like you would ever listen to reason or accept the facts.
 
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