Universal Healthcare in Injury Lawsuits?

[zinfamous]

Nope, no I don't. At least not until I'm in a position where I can afford to

Yes you do.

you do, every day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Value_added_tax

or do you think those "biscuits" you shove in your face are priced for some specific butter/flour/chocolate pricing that reflects the actual cost?

This has been explained to you , ad-infinitum. so, either you are too thick to see the truth behind your delusions, or you're simply being an obtuse troll in this matter.

Either way, I'm not dealing with your insomnia tonight. I'm off to watch Dexter before bed.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes you do.

you do, every day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Value_added_tax

or do you think those "biscuits" you shove in your face are priced for some specific butter/flour/chocolate pricing that reflects the actual cost?

This has been explained to you , ad-infinitum. so, either you are too thick to see the truth behind your delusions, or you're simply being an obtuse troll in this matter.

Either way, I'm not dealing with your insomnia tonight. I'm off to watch Dexter before bed.

I only pay VAT on non food items... I don't buy much else other than food.

Next?

 

[Gooberlx2]

It it is true, I know someone who was injured in an auto accident his health insurance company had him sue the other party. His auto insurance also had him sue the other party too. When I was self injured the insurance company sent a letter for me to verify that it wasn't a 3rd party injury so they could have me sue them.

There is a clause in every health insurance I have seen that says you will engage in litigation against any party that causes you injury for which the insurance company had to pay.

He's not arguing that insurance carriers will seek compensation from guilty parties, or their insurance. He's arguing that you'd have to do the legal legwork for them.

 

[zinfamous]

I only pay VAT on non food items... I don't buy much else other than food.

Next?

Ah, so I see you're going back to the "I don't pay for my healthcare" argument, and reinforcing the fact that you are happy leeching off the system. And you may, some day, be happy to pay for other leeching.

You suggest as much, without ever saying it.

The problem with your disingenuous line of arguing is that you strive to create 100% value (honor) for your position, despite your inability to mask the contrary, and plain, truth--you want your system to be free (perfect), and you want to suggest this, but you can only suggest that it is free for you. Never-mind that every other tax-paying citizen is paying for you and themselves, you live comfortable with the fact that there is true, real cost, in any country, for any system. You ignore this as the central tenor of the argument, and keep fact and reality to your individual self. It matters not that you are a profound outlier.

You can never address contrary arguments to anything. I and others can criticize the failures of our position while pointing out the strengths and room for improvement. You gaze, aloof, at the truth before you and plug your ears and eyes, smirking in your forced ignorance that your position is forever honorable, so long as you distance your individual self from the moral center of the argument.

Your philosophy degree has failed you, whether you realize that or not.

You pay, neckbeard, you will always pay for healthcare. You--your country, your noble system--is preposterously expensive. That is a fact, and it costs you daily. It costs all of you.

it matters not that you leech for some period of your life-you still pay. everyone pays.


fuck, what is that?
Yes. I'm truly off to bed. Good day, sir.

Go brush your teeth.

 

[HAL9000]

Ah, so I see you're going back to the "I don't pay for my healthcare" argument, and reinforcing the fact that you are happy leeching off the system. And you may, some day, be happy to pay for other leeching.

You suggest as much, without ever saying it.

the problem with your disingenuous line of arguing, is that you strive to create 100% value (honor) for your position, despite your inability to mask to plain truth--you want your system to be free (perfect), and you want to suggest this, but you can only suggest that it is free for you. Never-mind that every other tax-paying citizen is paying for you and themselves, you live comfortable with the fact that there is true, real cost, in any country, for any system.

The problem with you is that you can never address contrary arguments to anything. I and others can criticize the failures of our position while pointing out the strengths and room for improvement. You gaze, aloof, at the truth before you and plug your ears and eyes, smirking in your forced ignorance that your position is forever honorable, so long as you distance your individual self from the moral center of the argument.

Your philosophy degree has failed you, whether you realize that or not.

You pay, neckbeard, you will always pay for healthcare. You--your country, your noble system--is preposterously expensive. That is a fact, and it costs you daily. It costs all of you.

it matters not that you leech for some period of your life-you still pay. everyone pays.


fuck, what is that?
Yes. I'm truly off to bed. Good day, sir.

Go brush your teeth.

Trollololololol

 

[Mike Gayner]

I want to go ahead and remind everyone that not every non-US country is a profligate, debt laden shit hole like England.

 

[HAL9000]

I want to go ahead and remind everyone that not every non-US country is a profligate, debt laden shit hole like England.

Trollololololol

 

[manlymatt83]

services and medicine, yeah, human right, sure

This.

 

[DCal430]

He's not arguing that insurance carriers will seek compensation from guilty parties, or their insurance. He's arguing that you'd have to do the legal legwork for them.

Oh no, you are just the named plantiff in the case. It is their lawyers, you just show up and do what is asked of you. They are the one who call the shots.

 

[preslove]

I want to go ahead and remind everyone that not every non-US country is a profligate, debt laden shit hole like England.

srsly.

EVERY SINGLE RICH DEMOCRACY OTHER THAN THE USA HAS A NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SPENDS LESS ON HEALTH CARE FOR HEALTH OUTCOMES.

Jesus christ, we spend twice about as much per capita on health care as the next highest spending country, and we have millions of people who aren't covered. It's pathetic, and only idiots think running a public good like medicine as a business is a good idea.

 

[dainthomas]

srsly.

EVERY SINGLE RICH DEMOCRACY OTHER THAN THE USA HAS A NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SPENDS LESS ON HEALTH CARE FOR HEALTH OUTCOMES.

Jesus christ, we spend twice about as much per capita on health care as the next highest spending country, and we have millions of people who aren't covered. It's pathetic, and only idiots think running a public good like medicine as a business is a good idea.

This. We're way above any other country in spending and waaayyy down the list on life expectancy. And conservatives think the current system is great and all we need is tort reform.

 

[corwin]

EVERY SINGLE RICH DEMOCRACY OTHER THAN THE USA HAS A NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SPENDS LESS ON HEALTH CARE FOR HEALTH OUTCOMES.

And they all have the same health problems brought on by their over-consumption and unhealthy ways as the US...right

Comparisons aren't really possible with our nations chosen "lifestyle", the citizens of other countries by and large are healthier to begin with and lead healthier lives in general, of course we are going to spend a shit ton more, our obesity rates and bad habits are exponentially higher

 

[HAL9000]

This. We're way above any other country in spending and waaayyy down the list on life expectancy. And conservatives think the current system is great and all we need is tort reform.

Are "conservatives" left or right in America?

 

[corwin]

This. We're way above any other country in spending and waaayyy down the list on life expectancy. And conservatives think the current system is great and all we need is tort reform.

No what we need is lifestyle reform...

 

[dainthomas]

Are "conservatives" left or right in America?

Right. But our left wingers are to the right of your right wingers. And our right wingers are the ones you guys kicked out four hundred years ago for being annoying a-holes.

 

[alent1234]

srsly.

EVERY SINGLE RICH DEMOCRACY OTHER THAN THE USA HAS A NATIONAL HEALTH PLAN AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SPENDS LESS ON HEALTH CARE FOR HEALTH OUTCOMES.

Jesus christ, we spend twice about as much per capita on health care as the next highest spending country, and we have millions of people who aren't covered. It's pathetic, and only idiots think running a public good like medicine as a business is a good idea.

and it takes months of waiting for simple things like MRI's or other diagnostic procedures. unlike the US where you have offices with MRI and other diagnostic machines all over the place and it takes a few days for an appointment.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Right. But our left wingers are to the right of your right wingers. And our right wingers are the ones you guys kicked out four hundred years ago for being annoying a-holes.

Heh, this is so true. We have just re-elected a right wing government that you guys would consider a bunch of liberal socialists. Your kind of right wingers are nothing but pure comedy gold here.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Heh, this is so true. We have just re-elected a right wing government that you guys would consider a bunch of liberal socialists. Your kind of right wingers are nothing but pure comedy gold here.

New Zealand is nothing but comedy gold here.

 

[Mike Gayner]

New Zealand is nothing but comedy gold here.

That's because Americans are, on a whole, ignorant morons who hilariously think that the US is a nice place to live. Meanwhile, others of us live in genuinely enviable nations with an amazing lifestyle. And we get to spend some of our leisure time laughing at the republican primaries, reminding ourselves that about half of Americans actually believe the shit that they say.

 

[corwin]

That's because Americans are, on a whole, ignorant morons who hilariously think that the US is a nice place to live. Meanwhile, others of us live in genuinely enviable nations with an amazing lifestyle.

So that's why everyone wants to move to NZ! Wait...no they don't

Old news but...you just can't make this shit up!

In 2004–2005 Immigration New Zealand set a target of 45,000, representing 1.5% of the total population. However, the net effect was a population decline, since more left than arrived. 48,815 arrived, and overall the population was 10,000 or 0.25% less than the previous year.

 

[zinfamous]

Are "conservatives" left or right in America?

there is no left in America.

It ranges from center-right to hard, extreme right.


What you guys call right in your country, our righties call "commie pinko extreme hardcore leftists"

seriously.

 

[zinfamous]

Right. But our left wingers are to the right of your right wingers. And our right wingers are the ones you guys kicked out four hundred years ago for being annoying a-holes.

:thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

That's because Americans are, on a whole, ignorant morons who hilariously think that the US is a nice place to live. Meanwhile, others of us live in genuinely enviable nations with an amazing lifestyle. And we get to spend some of our leisure time laughing at the republican primaries, reminding ourselves that about half of Americans actually believe the shit that they say.

Of course you would think that.

we have much less sheep.

 

[JohnnyGage]

That's because Americans are, on a whole, ignorant morons who hilariously think that the US is a nice place to live. Meanwhile, others of us live in genuinely enviable nations with an amazing lifestyle. And we get to spend some of our leisure time laughing at the republican primaries, reminding ourselves that about half of Americans actually believe the shit that they say.

Nice reply, it's okay because New Zealander's, on a whole, seem to be patronizing a-holes with a self esteem problem. I'm just going you and by your post. Hard to disagree with your comment on Americans. Although we're all human we tend to be ignorant moran's through and through in each culture--and again, you have proved this with your post. There are nice places here and there are complete shit holes, I'm sure the same could be said there.

Always liked New Zealand, gotta get down there someday to play Cape Kidnappers.

 

[D1gger]

It can, and does happen that people in Canada sue for injury related to accidents caused by others.

They don't sue for health care costs as the basic costs are covered by government health insurance, but if there are any extended benefits from a private health care plan (private room, extended rehab services, short term disability coverage), the private health insurance plan will act to recover these costs from the liable party.

The injured individual will only sue for pain and suffering and any direct costs such as ambulance, lost wages, costs of at home care if required, etc.