'United States planning a military strike against Iran'

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: raildogg
When did Iran have democratic elections?

You're stunning ignorance is revealed. You know nothing of the history of this 'conflict' and yet you seem to be all for invasion.

Who cares about the root causes, who cares about the reasons, who cars about history, lets just launch the missiles eh?

You're obviously a angry radical who thinks he knows everything. Look at my first post in this thread and read what I said about going to war, and come to your senses.

Drink some water and calm down.

LOL methinks he needs to spend a few days in Iran or Pakistan and find out for himself just how 'great' their 'democracy', 'freedom' and lifestyle is.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I'll say this and I'll say it again. As a modern leftist I'd throw my cards in with neo-cons over Islamic, bearded neo-fascists any day.

Go for it.

I will point out the lunatic war mongerers even when, they are American.

Iran are bad guys. It's that simple eh? That are many. many bad guys in this world some of whom we even do everything we can to keep in power (like Saudi Arabia).

As a 'leftist' why do you think Iran's horrible human rights interest bother us but Saudi Arabia's don't? Follow the money.

All I want is for us as a nation to admit the truth about our foreign policy and for Americans to realize if or when we are attacked again that it's merely a tiny fraction of the death and destruction we export onto other nations.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I'll say this and I'll say it again. As a modern leftist I'd throw my cards in with neo-cons over Islamic, bearded neo-fascists any day.

Go for it.

I will point out the lunatic war mongerers even when, they are American.

Iran are bad guys. It's that simple eh? That are many. many bad guys in this world some of whom we even do everything we can to keep in power (like Saudi Arabia).

As a 'leftist' why do you think Iran's horrible human rights interest bother us but Saudi Arabia's don't? Follow the money.

All I want is for us as a nation to admit the truth about our foreign policy and for Americans to realize if or when we are attacked again that it's merely a tiny fraction of the death and destruction we export onto other nations.

Did I say Saudi was good?

We should, along with Europe, India and Israel stick a big missle up all of these ridiculous islamo-fascists collective assholes.

As much as you want to demonize Bush he isn't nearly as bad as the people in Iran.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Meh if you met Iranians these days they have very little to do with Mossadegh. He was a tolerant man in a sea of intolerance.

Somehow that gives us the right to remove a democratically elected leader of another country?

Wake up you f*cking hypocrites... learn that if you EXPORT violence and DEATH it will be imported...as it should. Very simple and fair equation.

Listen Kurt Cobain - lite. I'm as leftist and revolutionary as they come.

But a real 21st century revolutionary fights against intolerance whether it be in the West, Middle East, or East. You can attack America's past all you want, but look at a country like Irans past and you will find much worse.

I'll say this and I'll say it again. As a modern leftist I'd throw my cards in with neo-cons over Islamic, bearded neo-fascists any day.

First leftist I've ever noted that was actually consistent on Islamo-fascism. :thumbsup:

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: raildogg
You're obviously a angry radical who thinks he knows everything. Look at my first post in this thread and read what I said about going to war, and come to your senses.

I am indeed angry because my just over half of my countrymen live in a fantasy world.

I know you said 'you hope not' but you also used to term 'evil' to describe Iran... and I can only agree to such simple minded, sweeping terms if they are used equally. What about Iran makes it evil that you can't find about America either currently or in it's history?

Iran is clearly unstable and run by lunatics but I can only accept they're 'evil' if you accept America is 'evil'.

I say again... imagine this:
-Russia overthrows Jimmy Carter and installed dictator
-Russian friendly dictator is overthrown by American revolutionaries but unforunately
these guys are lunatics and force the country down a dark path.
-Russia funds Mexico to invade the US and engage it in a nearly decade long war where we suffer hundreds of thousands of dead including lives lost to chemical weapons.
-Russia's military ships sit just off the coast of the US 'monitoring' it and oops they accidentally shoot down an American Airlines plane with 250 Americans on board.

I wonder the current generation of Americans would hate and distrust Russia for these actions? I know I would.

So, if I can't blame Iranians for hating us and doing everything in thier power to protect themselves (has the US ever invaded a nuclear equipped nation? NO) how could I support
an invasion in which the vast majority of those who will be killed aren't extremists and aren't terrorists? You find a way to kill ONLY the extremist leaders and I'll agree. 😀

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
LOL methinks he needs to spend a few days in Iran or Pakistan and find out for himself just how 'great' their 'democracy', 'freedom' and lifestyle is.

Funny you mention those two countries because neither are democracies.
America OVERTHREW the last democracy Iran had and Musharraff in Pakistan is yet ANOTHER example of dictators the US has no problem supporting as long as they serve our purpose.

As much as you want to demonize Bush he isn't nearly as bad as the people in Iran.

The people in Iran? Hmmmm. Actually the Iranian people are much less responsible for the actions of their leaders than Americans are... they don't have democracy.. we took it away from them 🙁

And, if you know Saudi Arabia is among the worst supporters of terrorism, and you can see our incredibly hypocritical hand's off approach to S.A., why do you then even believe the US government when it says Iran is one of the biggest supporters of terrorism? I'm not saying they aren't.... all I am saying is we KNOW who the biggest is yet we ignore it and that enough for me to question the true intentions of my government in this 'war on terror'.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: raildogg
You're obviously a angry radical who thinks he knows everything. Look at my first post in this thread and read what I said about going to war, and come to your senses.

I am indeed angry because my just over half of my countrymen live in a fantasy world.

I know you said 'you hope not' but you also used to term 'evil' to describe Iran... and I can only agree to such simple minded, sweeping terms if they are used equally. What about Iran makes it evil that you can't find about America either currently or in it's history?

Iran is clearly unstable and run by lunatics but I can only accept they're 'evil' if you accept America is 'evil'.

I say again... imagine this:
-Russia overthrows Jimmy Carter and installed dictator
-Russian friendly dictator is overthrown by American revolutionaries but unforunately
these guys are lunatics and force the country down a dark path.
-Russia funds Mexico to invade the US and engage it in a nearly decade long war where we suffer hundreds of thousands of dead including lives lost to chemical weapons.
-Russia's military ships sit just off the coast of the US 'monitoring' it and oops they accidentally shoot down an American Airlines plane with 250 Americans on board.

I wonder the current generation of Americans would hate and distrust Russia for these actions? I know I would.

So, if I can't blame Iranians for hating us and doing everything in thier power to protect themselves (has the US ever invaded a nuclear equipped nation? NO) how could I support
an invasion in which the vast majority of those who will be killed aren't extremists and aren't terrorists? You find a way to kill ONLY the extremist leaders and I'll agree. 😀

The thing is there were elements in Iran which also supported the Shah.

It isn't as one sided as you portray. Sure Mossadegh was a decent guy, and sure America did have hand in his removal, but a large portion of the blame also falls on Iranian leaders for doing nothing and aiding his removal.

 

[gimpsoft]

if they try to take out iran
u think iran has few nukes/dirty ready to go?

President: Pervez Musharraf is dead he will be assassinated for letting USA take more muslim territory nukes will fly europe in danger israel is gone for sure ( not the first time christians help in the destroy jerusalem) god's people . they may launch there nukes but to late they already hit damage is done india will nervice as hell nukes may also fly lol north korea may use as chance to put more fire to flame dirty bombs .

oh man here we go World War 3 ?

does Egypt have nukes ?
Saudi Arabia stopping oil shippments ?
iraq oil fields under attack
Russia will jump in i bet they can't let US controll oil in world
china will also jump in

both russia and china will probabily help out USA but ties will brake for control of supply OIL oh well let the games begin.

lol all move to south america housing bubble of south america hahaha

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: gimpsoft
if they try to take out iran
u think iran has few nukes/dirty ready to go?

President: Pervez Musharraf is dead he will be assassinated for letting USA take more muslim territory nukes will fly europe in danger israel is gone for sure ( not the first time christians help in the destroy jerusalem) god's people . they may launch there nukes but to late they already hit damage is done india will nervice as hell nukes may also fly lol north korea may use as chance to put more fire to flame dirty bombs .

oh man here we go World War 3 ?

does Egypt have nukes ?
Saudi Arabia stopping oil shippments ?
iraq oil fields under attack
Russia will jump in i bet they can't let US controll oil in world
china will also jump in

both russia and china will probabily help out USA but ties will brake for control of supply OIL oh well let the games begin.

Ahh new years!

Happy new years everybody!

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
It isn't as one sided as you portray. Sure Mossadegh was a decent guy, and sure America did have hand in his removal, but a large portion of the blame also falls on Iranian leaders for doing nothing and aiding his removal.

You could have surely found Americans in the late 70s who would have supported Carter's overthrow.... just like you can find Americans now who would support an overthrow of Bush (not me though... thats a little TOO extreme even for me).

Who cares is Mossadegh was a decent guy or how many Iranians supported or didn't support him? How is it America's right to overthrow a democratically elected government?.

So, people in the Middle East know we killed a democracy and installed a dictator yet they are supposed to trust our intentions of 'bringing democracy' to the Middle East. Puhlease. Don't make me laugh.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Proletariat
It isn't as one sided as you portray. Sure Mossadegh was a decent guy, and sure America did have hand in his removal, but a large portion of the blame also falls on Iranian leaders for doing nothing and aiding his removal.

You could have surely found Americans in the late 70s who would have supported Carter's overthrow.... just like you can find Americans now who would support an overthrow of Bush (not me though... thats a little TOO extreme even for me).

Who cares is Mossadegh was a decent guy or how many Iranians supported or didn't support him? How is it America's right to overthrow a democratically elected government?.

So, people in the Middle East know we killed a democracy and installed a dictator yet they are supposed to trust our intentions of 'bringing democracy' to the Middle East. Puhlease. Don't make me laugh.

They didn't overthrow him. It was a covert operation by the CIA that had huge amounts of Iranian support. It wasn't anything like the overthrow of Saddam.

It also makes you wonder why there are Iranians in America. If we did so much harm to them, why are they coming here?

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

They didn't overthrow him. It was a covert operation by the CIA that had huge amounts of Iranian support. It wasn't anything like the overthrow of Saddam.

It also makes you wonder why there are Iranians in America. If we did so much harm to them, why are they coming here?[/quote]

Ummmm he was overthrown covertly by the US but still overthrown. Have you resorted to arguing semantics now?

They are coming here for a better life of course. Life in Iran, even before US intervention, is still not as comfortable or promising as life in the US. What does that have to do with anything?
Africans still come to America and Europe despite the hell we visited upon that continent along with the imperial European powers.

 

[Generator]

I hope none of you cowards have power one day. Look at some of you people...literally scared to death of Iran. Iran is evil. lol. You children, you cowards. You people see boogeymen that don't even exist.

Anyways, I can't believe the U.S. would dare make the first move agaisnt Iran. Its just not smart politically. The best thing I suppose if action were needed, would be some sort of coalition where the United States play a equal role with dozens of other countries. And besides Iran is really not a threat. Who going to take the first hit Israel or the United States? As for Isreal, well those people are in tight place, if any country citizens should be worried it should be Isreal. I really don't see Isreal letting Iran have nukes. So either way this sh1t is going to go down and the Americans do not need remembered as the ones who started World War 3.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Generator
I hope none of you cowards have power one day. Look at some of you people...literally scared to death of Iran. Iran is evil. lol. You children, you cowards. You people see boogeymen that don't even exist.

Anyways, I can't believe the U.S. would dare make the first move agaisnt Iran. Its just not smart politically. The best thing I suppose if action were needed, would be some sort of coalition where the United States play a equal role with dozens of other countries. And besides Iran is really not a threat. Who going to take the first hit Israel or the United States? As for Isreal, well those people are in tight place, if any country citizens should be worried it should be Isreal. I really don't see Isreal letting Iran have nukes. So either way this sh1t is going to go down and the Americans do not need remembered as the ones who started World War 3.

The problem here is that some people believe that an attack on Israel is the same as an attack on America, so if Israel got attacked, we'd be going in.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

How can one point to the evils of other nations without fully recognizing or accepting the evils of their own?

I don't support Islamco-facism, I don't support dictators of any kind (even ones that support US interests), but I also don't support any nation (including my own)
who engages in pre-emptive wars of aggression without international consensus (as represented by the UN).

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
How can one point to the evils of other nations without fully recognizing or accepting the evils of their own?

I don't support Islamco-facism, I don't support dictators of any kind (even ones that support US interests), but I also don't support any nation (including my own)
who engages in pre-emptive wars of aggression without international consensus.

Or without a better plan than "We's gonna git victry!"

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

I'll ask this again of my fellow Americans. Imagine if the following happened to our nation at the hands of Russia like it happened to Iran at the hands of the US.

How would we as a nation feel about Russia now? Would there be hatred? Fear? Paranoia? Mistrust?

Why do we expect others to feel differently?

-Russia covertly overthrows Jimmy Carter and installed dictator (less than 30 years ago)
-Russian friendly dictator is overthrown by American revolutionaries but unforunately
these guys are lunatics and force the country down a dark path.
-Russia funds Mexico to invade the US and engage it in a nearly decade long war where we suffer hundreds of thousands of dead including lives lost to chemical weapons.
-Russia's military ships sit just off the coast of the US 'monitoring' it and oops they accidentally shoot down an American Airlines plane with 250 Americans on board (in the late 80s)

 

[Generator]

I don't know why Americans would need to join Israel on battlefflied. Israel is more than capable of handling Iran alone. Not to say Iran is weak, but I really can't see Iran not being devestated if war were to break out.

 

[dahunan]

I don't whether to laugh or be scared..

Conservatives hear that the US might use their weapons to kill some more people and they just orgasm all over themselves.. it is almost like they have a plastic toy soldier hidden in their bums ever since they were little boys...they just LOVE WARS and BOMBS

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I don't whether to laugh or be scared..

Conservatives hear that the US might use their weapons to kill some more people and they just orgasm all over themselves.. it is almost like they have a plastic toy soldier hidden in their bums ever since they were little boys...they just LOVE WARS and BOMBS

So which conservative here has come out and said he or she supports military action against Iran? Are you just making up some more stuff?

C'mon, its new years.

 

[dahunan]

You are the only one who argued against it.. 😉 -- and Sir.. I do applaud that.. it would deeply endanger the lives of every single US soldier in Iraq right now.. beyond belief..

They will be here very soon.. I may have jumped the gun a bit.. but they will be in here ...

I just hate War.. I can agree with some War .. but this Iraq war has filled me with great sadnes and animosity towards all politicians.. We are a nation of cowards to have attacked a country like Iraq.. Did they even have an air force? What did they do to us in America..

I feel like any attack on Iran would have to be on the scale of Gulf War 1 .. BUT we would not have the backing of Muslim nations and Egypt is no slouch anymore..


My New Years Resolution should be to stay the hell away from P&N .. I would rather not know ...

Happy New Year to you..
Resolution #1
Hold ALL Politicians accountable -- regardless of party affiliation

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan
You are the only one who argued against it.. 😉 -- and Sir.. I do applaud that.. it would deeply endanger the lives of every single US soldier in Iraq right now.. beyond belief..

They will be here very soon.. I may have jumped the gun a bit.. but they will be in here ...

I just hate War.. I can agree with some War .. but this Iraq war has filled me with great sadnes and animosity towards all politicians.. We are a nation of cowards to have attacked a country like Iraq.. Did they even have an air force? What did they do to us in America..

I feel like any attack on Iran would have to be on the scale of Gulf War 1 .. BUT we would not have the backing of Muslim nations and Egypt is no slouch anymore..


My New Years Resolution should be to stay the hell away from P&N .. I would rather not know ...

Happy New Year to you..
Resolution #1
Hold ALL Politicians accountable -- regardless of party affiliation

Woohoo, I agreed with everything you said. Amazing 😀. Great points there. Well, I could care less if we had no competition in Iraq, I just want best for America and the war in Iraq was a mistake. I was against it from the start, actually.

Yep, lets wish the best for this world. Wars are always a bad thing.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: raildogg
I just want best for America.

Me too as hard as that may be for you to believe 🙂

I, like many other 'leftists', believe the best thing for America is to live up to our hype and be the world leader in human rights, diplomacy, fairness and the rule of law. We want our nation's ethics and character to be nearly beyond reproach. We want to be seen as the ultimate upholders of the law not above the law. We want America to live up to the ideals our nation was founded on. To be a true 'gentle giant'. Many of us believe this is the only way to ensure American ideals remain a strong force in the world.

Please do not mistake this for weakness. Most 'leftists' I know, even those who despise war pathologically, agree or will at least concede that Afghanistan was a justified, legitimate invasion. It's just too bad it's been so poorly done because our focus is on a lie. If we invested the same resources (boots on ground and money) into securing Afghanistan, tracking down BL and the remaining AQ, and rebuilding the Afghanistan we would today be a safer nation and would improved our international image instead of the serious erosion it's experiencing now.

We have the same goals... but believe in different roads.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
The only way to be safe from American aggression is to possess nukes... could you blame ANY nation for wanting to protect itself against what we see in Iraq ?
America can't allow Iran to have nukes for two reasons:
1) It tips the M.E. balance of power too far back towards the people who actually live there instead of the US and it's ally Isreal.
2) It's against Israel's national interests.

I would say it's a reason that North Korea wasn't invaded in order to liberate its people from a brutal dictator and provide democracy and freedom to a struggling people (sound familiar?) but, then again, there's no oil in NK.

 

[MicroChrome]

Hmmm, I wonder how much oil is in Iran? More then Iraq?

I know we are not going to do anything in N.Korea since it's not a religious war and there is no oil. I doubt the UN will have anything to do with this... Well, they may talk about it for the next 2 years ... you know when we actually lose the religious war retard.... 🙂

Other then that........ They will laugh it up as another bush stunt, I can't believe that anyone would take America seriously anymore. We are the biggest joke to the world these days. Look at all of our "Victories" in Iraq!

On the hand ... I wonder where we are gonna come up with the CASH to fight this war. I mean we are already spending 1.8 Billion in Iraq. Do you think we can add another few billion per day. I guess we could watch the debt clock climb to the moon...

Wake up people. This is not gonna happen?