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United Flight 93 that came down on Sept. 11...shot down ?

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let me be the first to say REPOST, REPOST, of a repost.

I think the government would have acknowledged that they shot it down. I mean officials knew generally where it was headed, do you think they would have let it take out congress or the white house?

The plane crashed. Could have been a bomb, but investigators can easily find bomb residue. The passengers attemtped to take control. The hijackers probably maintained control long enough to put the plane in a position it would not easily recover from. Especially with people not trained to fly.
 
I was looking up Flight 93 over on the NTSB site and I guess because the whole thing is still under investigation by the FBI as there is no final accident report yet. They refer you to the FBI website from the Flight 93 link. Everything I have read indicated the plane went into the ground nose first much like that 737 that crashed outside of Pittsburgh a few years back.
 
Originally posted by: rudder
let me be the first to say REPOST, REPOST, of a repost.

I think the government would have acknowledged that they shot it down. I mean officials knew generally where it was headed, do you think they would have let it take out congress or the white house?

The plane crashed. Could have been a bomb, but investigators can easily find bomb residue. The passengers attemtped to take control. The hijackers probably maintained control long enough to put the plane in a position it would not easily recover from. Especially with people not trained to fly.
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Why would they acknowledge it ? so they be the news of th world, shooting down an airplane and have a big ass investigation or meeting over it.

the problem in united state is that the public trust the news media too much , if i was a goveremtn agent, i would tell the news reporter for the national security, that blah blah blah , you cant report this or our goverment going to screw u over. I know our constituation says we have the right of speech and etc but when you look into it , is it true ? Martin Luther King , Black movement, etc etc , our goverment totally just shut those people down. so go figure
 
Originally posted by: TurtleMan
Originally posted by: rudder
let me be the first to say REPOST, REPOST, of a repost.

I think the government would have acknowledged that they shot it down. I mean officials knew generally where it was headed, do you think they would have let it take out congress or the white house?

The plane crashed. Could have been a bomb, but investigators can easily find bomb residue. The passengers attemtped to take control. The hijackers probably maintained control long enough to put the plane in a position it would not easily recover from. Especially with people not trained to fly.
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Why would they acknowledge it ? so they be the news of th world, shooting down an airplane and have a big ass investigation or meeting over it.

the problem in united state is that the public trust the news media too much , if i was a goveremtn agent, i would tell the news reporter for the national security, that blah blah blah , you cant report this or our goverment going to screw u over. I know our constituation says we have the right of speech and etc but when you look into it , is it true ? Martin Luther King , Black movement, etc etc , our goverment totally just shut those people down. so go figure
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Excuse me? One of Reverend Martin Luther Kings most famous speeches was delivered from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC so exactly how did the government shut him or the "Black movement" whatever that is in your mind down? Hell there is even a Federal holiday now for King's birthday so I guess shutting him down didn't work very well. By the way are you also Gomce? Your writing style and reasoning sure seem similar.
 
I think it was the Department of Agriculture that did this. Few knew that on this plane was carried a small amount of substance capable of cold fusion. The DOA and their Men in the Green Shirts were assigned the job of crushing this technological breakthrough. They were on the plane and when it was hijacked they saw their opportunity. They released a small nuclear device and incinerated the plane. What you saw on the ground was all a sham planted there to deceive you.
 
I probably shouldnt say anything, but a person I know, works with someone whos signifigant other is CIA.

He called to make sure everything was ok, and told them that the plane was shot down by the F-16. Then the cover story came out soon after.. I mean, how would you spin the story?

1. US Gov't had to kill 200+ people to save a bldg & countless other lives.. Most people would find this ok, but there would be some backlash..

2. Make hero's out of the people on the plane (Which I am sure they were), and make the scenario unfortunate.. No Gov't intervention..

Hmm..
 
Originally posted by: TurtleMan
Edit: Why are you guys trusting the news ? they are just a tool for goverment to spread the information that goverment want us to hear to the public
, are they 100% rite ? HECK NO. Plane took a dive into the ground. okay, F-16 was firing maybe not missle but machine gun at the plane tail, maybe it went down like that. US goverment knew this plane is going to Camp Davis , disregard whether those brave hero took control of the plane or not, if you thinik in term of " Camp Davis vs Peoples on the plane ", i think our fragging goverment will go for the camp davis. That is how our goverment is ...
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Wow - there must be a REALLY REALLY good cover-up. I believed all the government propaganda about how the presidential retreat was actually called Camp David.

If you are going to act like you know what you are talking about, at least get the OBVIOUS facts straight, jackass...
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Originally posted by: hevnsnt
I probably shouldnt say anything, but a person I know, works with someone whos signifigant other is CIA.

He called to make sure everything was ok, and told them that the plane was shot down by the F-16. Then the cover story came out soon after.. I mean, how would you spin the story?

1. US Gov't had to kill 200+ people to save a bldg & countless other lives.. Most people would find this ok, but there would be some backlash..

2. Make hero's out of the people on the plane (Which I am sure they were), and make the scenario unfortunate.. No Gov't intervention..

Hmm..
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Actually, a few buddies and me were talking about this on 9-11. While it's just a theory, don't go raggin on TurtleMan just because he can't articulate himself. Also, you can't believe everything the media or politicians feed you. Thought most of you would know that by now.

The day this happened, there were reports of engine debris that was found around 8 miles away. That kind of debris just doesn't "blow" through the air. The plane could've been shot down, which would explain why the engine(s) were targeted, or it could've been a bomb on board. The American public would rather hear of heroes on that tragic day than of a plane being shot down by our own govt. Obviously to increase morale and to avoid any backlash from protestors saying that there could've been other things we could've done instead of shooting it down.

This is just a theory. Conspiracy theory... yes, but still a theory.
 
It's funny how many of you say, "I think the government shot it down," when there is NO hard evidence that this happened. Sure, I wouldn't care either if they HAD shot it down, but c'mon, be reasonable.

When a plane is blown up in mid-air, there is noticeable debris on the ground. Hello, Pan Am Flight 103.. Not only that, they were even able to reconstruct alot of the plane from the debris. When a plane crashes into the ground full force, then you get what we see in Shanksville: A crater. This is from a crash in 1994. Also, Flight 93 was going OVER 500 MILES PER HOUR.
 
Just look at the time frame.. flight 93 didn't crash until long after the first tower was hit.. the air defense had over a half an hour to track and shoot down flight 93 before it crashed into its destination.
 
I believe that it could have been shot down. Although there is no hard evidence that it was shot down, it is definetly a possibility. Why? The story of brave americans taking the airplane away from terrorists seems almost too Patriotic and unplausible. But I think that the Government would have realized that it wouldnt be a good idea to cover it up. I'm sure that nobody would have a problem with the government shooting down an airplane full of people to save many more people.

It couls go either way, but I doubt that it will ever be proven either way what really happened.

btw, just because a plane is 'shot down' does not mean it explodes in Mid-Air. It could lose its engines, and then crash and burn afterwards, therefore no debris all over. Just a thought.
 
Originally posted by: jfall
Just look at the time frame.. flight 93 didn't crash until long after the first tower was hit.. the air defense had over a half an hour to track and shoot down flight 93 before it crashed into its destination.
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well i am sure u knew exactly what was gonna happen when the first plane hit the towers...

no one at that point new that there were terrorists...bush even continued reading to the students in florida after news of the first hit...no one knew what was going on until the second plane hit
 
Originally posted by: SWirth86
Originally posted by: sward666
The idiocy on this board is stunning.
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Yes it is.... Who are you referring to?
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hehe must be referring to me :]

all im saying that just ALL the EVIDENCES that you see on the "NEWS" , was it necessary true ?
If the only source of your information come from the news station, then simply i just neeed to control the news to control
what the pulbic think then. am i 95% correct ?
 
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
by aliens that saw what the terrorists were doing and got so disgusted they forgot about their prime directive for just a momment.
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Nonono...the aliens were hiding in the grassy knoll and shooting a secret death ray made at Area 51 at the president but missed and hit the plane.

Jeeze...get your facts straight!
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Why are you guys trusting the news ? they are just a tool for goverment to spread the information that goverment want us to hear to the public
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If the government controls the news so well, how come the lewinski thing was let out in the first place? How come we keep hearing about our attack plans for Iraq? Why did we hear about how badly the CIA/FBI may have failed pre 9-11? Aren't those things that the government would want "covered up"?
 
the only problem with the whole missle thing is the fact that missles do not "blow up" airplanes. all the air-to-air missles that the US uses have relativly small warheads (with the excpetion of the AIM-54C, but this can only be carried by Navy F-14's) They either track heat (this would mean an engine hit) follow the radar guidance of the fighters, or follow there own radar. With radar hits you usually get a tail collision as that is the back end of the largest mass and cross-section of the plane (thus the largest radar return for the missle to lock on to) Most of the air missles are frag warheads, this means they explode up to 100 feet behind a target and spray it with fragments. These fragments may cause the target to burn, but not explode. The other warheads are HEAT (I believe) and these impact before exploding but only cause minimal wide-spread damage, though they do signifigant concentrated damage. The only way for the plane to get spread out would be for it to have exploded from the inside, like from a bomb.

Either way, I believe that the passengers who resisted the terrorists caused the plane to crash.
 
No, the aliens were hiding on the sound stage where they faked the moon landings. 🙂

I just heard an interview on NPR with Jere Longman, author of a new book, Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back, about the last hours of flight 93. Here's a review from Amazon.com
On the evening of September 14, as the sun set over the flag-draped county courthouse in Somerset, Pennsylvania, fifteen hundred mourners gathered together as Governor Tom Ridge presided over a memorial to the passengers and crew of United Flight 93. In the hushed twilight, amid the toiling of bells, a candle was lit for each victim, and the flames were used to light smaller candles held by townspeople attending the service.

The hijackers had failed in their mission, Ridge said. They had not destroyed our spirit. They had rekindled it. By fighting back against the terrorists, the passengers and crew had undoubtedly saved hundreds, if not thousands, of lives. "They sacrificed themselves for others -- the ultimate sacrifice. What appears to be a charred, smolerdering hole in the ground," said the governor, "is truly and really a monument to heroism."

Of the four horrific hijackings on September 11, Flight 93, which crashed into a field outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, resonates as one of epic resistance. A number of passengers phoned relatives and others on the ground to tell them of the hijacking and what they planned to do about it. Their battle to take back the plane brought consolation to countless confused and grief-stricken Americans. At a time when the United States appeared defenseless against an unfamiliar foe, the gallant passengers and crew of Flight 93 provided for many Americans a measure of victory in the midst of unthinkable defeat. Together, they seemingly accomplished what all the security guards and soldiers, military pilots and government officials, could not -- they thwarted the terrorists, sacrificing their own lives so that others might live.

The culmination of hundreds of interviews and months of investigation, Among the Heroes is the definitive story of the courageous men and women aboard Flight 93, and of the day that forever changed the way Americans view the world and themselves.
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The critical element is the individual phone calls to their own family members and friends.
 
The day this happened, there were reports of engine debris that was found around 8 miles away. That kind of debris just doesn't "blow" through the air.
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That is false. Read my earlier post, the first of two. There were no "parts" found 8 miles away, nor was the EVER a report of "parts" being found more than a few hundred yards from the crash site. I've been over this again and again on the flight93crash.com website, and nobody has ever shown evidence of such a report. People have MISREPRESENTED reports of debris being found miles away, but that is to be expected.

What little debris that was found x miles away was all light blowable partially incinerated debris such as pieces of paper and foam.
 
Yet more information that points to what happened can be found here. Of course you can come back and state whatever whacky theory you care to believe but so far the evidence overwhelmingly points to the passengers fighting for control of the plane and either they or the hijackers caused the plane to hit the ground at 500+ MPH.
 
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