United 93

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck🙁

Schinlder's List, Saving Private Ryan, and other WWII movies, disgraceful too?

I'm not a fan of these movies either, but there is a big difference. These movies although fictionalized had much more detailed histories for a basis. And they were done retrospectively 50yrs later, not 5

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Rudee
I understand, but I just don't think people who perform life-saving acts in the line of duty are heroic. Yes, they put themselves in harms way, but these people are fully aware of the risks of their occupation, and can properly train for it. In my opinion, a hero is someone like a motorist who pulls another motorist out of a burning car wreck. A person who is not perfrorming in the line of duty. If the firefighter dies in the line of duty, his family is financially compensated. If the civilian dies by performing a heroic act, his or her family gets jack squat. That's a hero in my book.

So heroism ceases to exist if there's monetary compensation for the bereaved? 😕

That was just added as a fact, but not a basis of support for my opinion. I'm just saying hero's are everday people, not people who are skilled and trained like policemen and fireman.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Rudee
I understand, but I just don't think people who perform life-saving acts in the line of duty are heroic. Yes, they put themselves in harms way, but these people are fully aware of the risks of their occupation, and can properly train for it. In my opinion, a hero is someone like a motorist who pulls another motorist out of a burning car wreck. A person who is not perfrorming in the line of duty. If the firefighter dies in the line of duty, his family is financially compensated. If the civilian dies by performing a heroic act, his or her family gets jack squat. That's a hero in my book.

So heroism ceases to exist if there's monetary compensation for the bereaved? 😕

That was just added as a fact, but not a basis of support for my opinion. I'm just saying hero's are everday people, not people who are skilled and trained like policemen and fireman.

Or soldiers?

 

[TraumaRN]

Well I just got back from the theater and the movie was...well words cant describe. I have no problem admitting that I cried, and so did many of the other people in the theater. At the end of the movie it was dead silent besides the quiet sobbing of some people. This movie did the families justice it told the story in a straight up honest fashion it didnt make their heroics seem superhuman, i mean I almost missed Todd Beamer's famous "Lets Roll" because it was just part of a sentence. It was not political, it was not trying to make anyone out to be a hero and heck even the cell phone calls didnt happen until they descended lower near the end. Before that was the AirFone calls. It captured the confusion and the lack of communication between the FAA and the US military and lack of rule of engagement to attack these civilan airliners.

Seriously people need to see this movie, yes it hurt, yes I cried, yes I was pissed off at the hijackers, yes it opened an old wound but in the end I felt proud that those people would take such a risk not knowing if the bomb was real, and as one guy says, nearly in premonition, we're too low if he(referring to the hijacker pilot) tries anything we wont be able to pull out in time.

Amazing movie.

4 Stars in my book and I'll go back and see it again soon.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck🙁

the families support the movie and wanted it done...glad you think before you speak

 

[Papagayo]

For the people that opens their mouth with researching, please shut it..

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck🙁

the families support the movie and wanted it done...glad you think before you speak

Glad you know all the details😕 guess you talked to all the family members personally? Or are you just repeating what the makers of the movie report? I lost two family members in the WTC, and nobody asked me

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck🙁

the families support the movie and wanted it done...glad you think before you speak

Glad you know all the details😕 guess you talked to all the family members personally? Or are you just repeating what the makers of the movie report? I lost two family members in the WTC, and nobody asked me

They asked all of the direct family members of those lost on Flight 93, and yes, they ALL wanted the movie to be made. Anything else, or do you want to keep this pointless argument up?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck🙁

the families support the movie and wanted it done...glad you think before you speak

Glad you know all the details😕 guess you talked to all the family members personally? Or are you just repeating what the makers of the movie report? I lost two family members in the WTC, and nobody asked me

I haven't seen anything in the news about any kind of negative reaction from any of the families of the people on the plane, indeed most supported the picture. I don't see how you have any right to condemn the filmmakers while they support the picture.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck🙁

the families support the movie and wanted it done...glad you think before you speak

Glad you know all the details😕 guess you talked to all the family members personally? Or are you just repeating what the makers of the movie report? I lost two family members in the WTC, and nobody asked me

I haven't seen anything in the news about any kind of negative reaction from any of the families of the people on the plane, indeed most supported the picture. I don't see how you have any right to condemn the filmmakers while they support the picture.

Or better go see the movie then pass judgement, i just saw it today, scroll up to read my mini-review

 

[NakaNaka]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Well, since it was impossible to make cell phone calls at that altitude I'm going to have to say the version of events in that movie are flawed.

Read the 9/11 Commission report and get back to me.

Oh, the same report manufactured by Bush's spin doctors?

Read this and then get back to me. Making a cell phone call at that altitude is near impossible.

I've sent text messages with my Verizon phone about 10k feet, and my signal strength was around 4 bars, out of 5. So, yes, I could have easily made a voice call if I wanted to. Flight attendents would have had me turn it off tho.

We are talking about altitudes above 10K feet.

The calls are real. They have recordings taken off peoples answering machines on 9/11 from people on the plane. They said a lot of calls didn't get through, people got cut off, but that some people called.

 

[kmrivers]

so who saw it? I just did.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: kmrivers
so who saw it? I just did.

What did you think of it?

 

[Kyle]

Originally posted by: kmrivers
so who saw it? I just did.

I just saw it.
This was the first movie I have ever seen that made tears roll down my face in a movie (not just my eyes getting kind of teary).
People next to me were sobbing.
Very powerful film, and it really did open up the old wounds.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Kyle

Originally posted by: kmrivers
so who saw it? I just did.

I just saw it.
This was the first movie I have ever seen that made tears roll down my face in a movie (not just my eyes getting kind of teary).
People next to me were sobbing.
Very powerful film, and it really did open up the old wounds.

Well I just got back from the theater and the movie was...well words cant describe. I have no problem admitting that I cried, and so did many of the other people in the theater. At the end of the movie it was dead silent besides the quiet sobbing of some people. This movie did the families justice it told the story in a straight up honest fashion it didnt make their heroics seem superhuman, i mean I almost missed Todd Beamer's famous "Lets Roll" because it was just part of a sentence. It was not political, it was not trying to make anyone out to be a hero and heck even the cell phone calls didnt happen until they descended lower near the end. Before that was the AirFone calls. It captured the confusion and the lack of communication between the FAA and the US military and lack of rule of engagement to attack these civilan airliners.

Seriously people need to see this movie, yes it hurt, yes I cried, yes I was pissed off at the hijackers, yes it opened an old wound but in the end I felt proud that those people would take such a risk not knowing if the bomb was real, and as one guy says, nearly in premonition, we're too low if he(referring to the hijacker pilot) tries anything we wont be able to pull out in time.

Amazing movie.

4 Stars in my book and I'll go back and see it again soon.

 

[kmrivers]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: kmrivers
so who saw it? I just did.

What did you think of it?

I thought it was very accurate. It was not too emotional. There were people crying of course, but I think they did a good job keeping it somewhat realistic. It could have turned to be one of those crazy dramatizations where love and other things are involved.

It did a good job and showing the cluster fvck of communication that was happenening at the time. Which makes sense considering we had no idea how to handle this or what was going on. Plus if you read the 911 Commision report that is pretty much what happenend.

Cinematically they did a good job at keeping it realistic. However, One thing i noticed that they left out was Flight 11 and Flight 175 almost colliding. They asked Flight 175 to look for Flight 11, They almost collided and nearly 3 minutes later 175 was hijacked. 175 was never told that 11 had in fact be hijacked. They had a similar scenario with a Delta flight though, i don't know if they did this on purpose. If they did I can sort of see why.

I couldn't help but the notice the ignorant masses however. The ones that scoffed and laughed at the things happening. Like the hijackers walking right through security. Guess what, we walked through security just like they did. Heck I still do. To imply that there should have been some special treatment pre-911 is ludacris. To be angry that there wasn't is a step beyond ludacris.

The one line about the President at the end ticked me.

"At 10:18 The president issued shoot down orders...." There was some more, but this bugged me. Because directly before at about 10:03, the last Flight(93) had crashed. To me this was intentionally picking at the President. It sure did work, I don't know how many scoffs and smug chuckles I heard in the audience.

I was surprised at the number of children there. This slightly bothers me, because I fear quite a few Arab hating kids may come out of this. Let's hope the parents are informed and don't take it too far and feed false information.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: kmrivers

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: kmrivers
so who saw it? I just did.

What did you think of it?

I thought it was very accurate. It was not too emotional. There were people crying of course, but I think they did a good job keeping it somewhat realistic. It could have turned to be one of those crazy dramatizations where love and other things are involved.

It did a good job and showing the cluster fvck of communication that was happenening at the time. Which makes sense considering we had no idea how to handle this or what was going on. Plus if you read the 911 Commision report that is pretty much what happenend.

Cinematically they did a good job at keeping it realistic. However, One thing i noticed that they left out was Flight 11 and Flight 175 almost colliding. They asked Flight 175 to look for Flight 11, They almost collided and nearly 3 minutes later 175 was hijacked. 175 was never told that 11 had in fact be hijacked. They had a similar scenario with a Delta flight though, i don't know if they did this on purpose. If they did I can sort of see why.

I couldn't help but the notice the ignorant masses however. The ones that scoffed and laughed at the things happening. Like the hijackers walking right through security. Guess what, we walked through security just like they did. Heck I still do. To imply that there should have been some special treatment pre-911 is ludacris. To be angry that there wasn't is a step beyond ludacris.

The one line about the President at the end ticked me.

"At 10:18 The president issued shoot down orders...." There was some more, but this bugged me. Because directly before at about 10:03, the last Flight(93) had crashed. To me this was intentionally picking at the President. It sure did work, I don't know how many scoffs and smug chuckles I heard in the audience.

I was surprised at the number of children there. This slightly bothers me, because I fear quite a few Arab hating kids may come out of this. Let's hope the parents are informed and don't take it too far and feed false information.

But the movie did focus on the fact that they couldnt get presidental orders on rules of engagement. so while a semi cheap shot it was necessary to tie up that loose end.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I wonder how Rick Gibney feels about this movie.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
I wonder how Rick Gibney feels about this movie.

seems like he has a very favorable opinion of the president.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
what difference does it make what their motives were?

the fact that they didn't sit back and wait to be slaughtered is what i am impressed by

better to die fighting than die sitting around listening to their ipods

People didn't really have ipods in 2001...

 

[GTaudiophile]

The movie is scoring 93% at Rotten Tomatoes.