What's to explain? The passengers wanted to decide their own fate and attempted to take control of the cockpit. It was the terrorists who veered the aircraft into the ground. The passengers - if they were successful in overpowering the hijackers - would of taken control of the aircraft and got on the radio and asked for assistance on how to make a emergency landing. At least they would of had a chance, albeit a slim one. But it's not about being heroic, it's about survival. It's human nature.
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If you read the transcripts from the phone calls made, multiple passengers made statements to the effect of "I know we are going to die, but we can avoid hitting a building and killing others if we do something now." That sounds pretty heroic to me.
True. But when there is a tragedy such as 911, people like to make something good come out of it. People are always looking for heroes. Something good to stand above the bad. In my opinion, a firefighter that dies in the line of duty is not anymore of a hero then an electrician who electocutes himself accidently while working on a residential powerline. It's a part of the job, and it involves risks. In my opinion a hero is someone who puts their life on the line voluntarily, not out of commitment of duty such as a firefighter or policeman.
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You missed the point. They SAVED the capital. Single-handedly. With American flags wrapped around their bodies.
Seriously, I agree with you. I think it is heroic to try and overpower terrorists, but it has been blown out of proportion. We just need something to feel good about post 9/11, America needs its heroes, whether they are real or made up by Hollywood.
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The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
True. But when there is a tragedy such as 911, people like to make something good come out of it. People are always looking for heroes. Something good to stand above the bad. In my opinion, a firefighter that dies in the line of duty is not anymore of a hero then an electrician who electocutes himself accidently while working on a residential powerline. It's a part of the job, and it involves risks. In my opinion a hero is someone who puts their life on the line voluntarily, not out of commitment of duty such as a firefighter or policeman.[/quote]
So policemen and firefighters aren't doing their jobs voluntarily? They choose their profession. They choose to put themselves in harm's way. That's heroism.
So policemen and firefighters aren't doing their jobs voluntarily?
They choose their profession. They choose to put themselves in harm's way. That's heroism.
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
How is it disgraceful? Unless they portray them all as douchebags it's more of an honor than anything.
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
How about every other historical movie ever made? Are those disgraceful, too?
maroon? lol Priceless! They obviously didn't say "heh, let's rush the cockpit so the pilot can crash the plane in the dirt nose first". They wanted to take control of the aircraft to prolong their life and at least have a chance or at a minimum, determine their own fate.
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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
How about every other historical movie ever made? Are those disgraceful, too?
IIRC, the familes of the people who died on Flight 93 were in favor of this movie being created. This alone is the reason why I disagree that it is a disgrace. We will never forget.
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
Schinlder's List, Saving Private Ryan, and other WWII movies, disgraceful too?
So policemen and firefighters aren't doing their jobs voluntarily?
They choose their profession. They choose to put themselves in harm's way. That's heroism.[/quote]I understand, but I just don't think people who perform life-saving acts in the line of duty are heroic. Yes, they put themselves in harms way, but these people are fully aware of the risks of their occupation, and can properly train for it. In my opinion, a hero is someone like a motorist who pulls another motorist out of a burning car wreck. A person who is not perfrorming in the line of duty. If the firefighter dies in the line of duty, his family is financially compensated. If the civilian dies by performing a heroic act, his or her family gets jack squat. That's a hero in my book.
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
How about every other historical movie ever made? Are those disgraceful, too?
IIRC, the familes of the people who died on Flight 93 were in favor of this movie being created. This alone is the reason why I disagree that it is a disgrace. We will never forget.
they have gone out of their way (the producers) to get full support of all the survivors, i am sure because they knew they would be attacked on this point
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Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The passengers on this flight where extremely heroic, and we owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. But to make a movie out of it is disgraceful, and wrong and a strong slap in the face to the families involved. Hollywood has sunk to a new low to make a buck
How is it disgraceful? Unless they portray them all as douchebags it's more of an honor than anything.
1. By forcing their families to relive that horrible day. Even if they don't go see the film, the firestorm of publicity must bring back waves of grief they've been trying to get over for the last 5 years.
2. By taking the few snipets of recordings available and testimony of family members they extrapolate a 2 hour movie
Which makes it fictionalized truth at best. Personally I could care less about some Hollywood directors contrived idea about what happened in the cabin of that plane, which is most likely far from the truth. Why is it not good enough to call them the heros that they are, and leave it at that. Trying to delve into the thoughts and fears of the last few minutes of these peoples lives is just wrong IMHO
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
1. By forcing their families to relive that horrible day. Even if they don't go see the film, the firestorm of publicity must bring back waves of grief they've been trying to get over for the last 5 years.
2. By taking the few snipets of recordings available and testimony of family members they extrapolate a 2 hour movie
1. Did they not support the idea of the film? Should they just forget about their loved ones? Should they want their loved ones and their actions to be forgotten by society?
2. So is not all history fictionalized to some degree? Without being there or having complete, observable record we can't know exactly what happened in any circumstance. Even being there may not provide that information, as the human memory is faulty at best. And observable records may lack context, which can blur its relevance.
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