Unions: I'm Part Of One. IBEW

TheSiege

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Ok so I am part of IBEW Local 354. Which is part of IBEW.
(This will generally be for the electrical union, It might apply to the other unions as well)
So the purpose of a union is this;
1. To give employee's their rights.
Unions first started (atleast the Electrical Union) because of unsafe workplaces and employers not being held responsible. Electricians were dying and employers didn't care. The families couldn't even give their husbands and sons a proper burial because there was no money give to the family of the deceased. This is what brought about the Death Benefit Fund. Through the union employees earned the 8 hour work day and 40 hour work week. And they were compensated for more hours work.

2. To protect employers.
Without the union large construction projects wouldn't be able to be done. Its hard to go into detail but to put it simply unions can get the man power non-unions can't. For example we just had a huge project ~50 mil in electrical alone. We had over 400 electricians working. Now this wouldn't have been able to be done without the union. The company I worked for was able to man it by putting a call into the union and getting any and all electricians that were looking for 50-60 hours a week to come work. And still man tons of other jobs around the state. We had travelers from all over the nation come and work for my company. This is something non-union company just can't do. It would take a dozen of non-union company to do such a thing.

3. To standardize pay, benefits etc.
If I wanted to quit my current union employer and go to another union employer everything stays the same. My pension is still intact. My annuity doesn't need to be changed. My pay is the same. And I still get all my health and dental benefits(which are all payed by the employer).

4. Better work, Better pay.
In the IBEW all apprentices go to school for 5 years. non-union is 4 years. This not only puts out better electricians but it makes it so that they can be payed better. Union apprentices get payed alot more then non-union. non-union is around $9-12 where union is no less then $13. Ask any electricians that is part of the union or was part of the union. They will tell you that union work is much better then non-union. The union simply demands it. Things are done the right way and there is hardly a time when corners are cut. Because of this electricians in the union get payed more. Anywhere from $25 - $70(San Fransisco gets the $70, mainly because the union makes up 90% of electricians. In my state only 13% is union and we get 26.72 and it goes up to $28 this summer.)

This is just a small example of how unions benefit all involved. Employers have good smart hard working employees readily available so that they can bid any size job, and electricians have a bevy of employers to chose from and get payed what they deserve.

Now I don't agree with the writers and them striking. Thats not what we believe in. In fact there is a no strike clause in our contract so there will never be a electricians strike. We have an arbitration panel set up to prevent strikes. If we have a disagreement in our local then the issue is sent to the international office in D.C. and what they say goes.

If you have any questions about unions and about electrical unions in general feel free to ask. If there is any other IBEW brothers or sisters feel free to chime in as well.
 

amdskip

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My dad is a member of the IBEW for a nuclear power plant. No complaints here.
 

Eeezee

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I'm a member of a union (UAW - United AutoWorkers, who happen to cover most of the physics graduate students in the UC system) and proud of it. Just recently my university tried to cut grad student wages by 5% and refused to negotiate, which is illegal. I make less than $22k per year (I'm a grad student), my union dues are less than a tenth of a percent (less than $25). We threatened to strike, which is only legal because the university refused to negotiate. Finally, the day before the old contract expired, they gave in and came to the negotiation table. Without the union, they would have forced the 5% wage cut down our throats and no negotiations would have taken place.

Sometimes workers need to gather together in order to be treated fairly. Frankly, I consider it part of a free market even though some dimwits on this forum will disagree.
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Wow. Just a quick note:

Writers /=/ Electricians.

Kthnks.

Is this a joke, or are you truly stupid?

No, it's not a joke toolbox. The product that the people in these unions produce combined with the fact that the product they ultimately influence are so different that to compare them is stupid.

Shouldn't you be in class?
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: TheSiege
Originally posted by: bctbct
slow down Cub, now go find me a conduit stretcher.

yeah i fell for that one.


we torment apprentices, the best part of turning out is continuing that tradition :)
 

Zenmervolt

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1) US Law today covers this. There is no value-add from a union here.

2) So basically, you're admitting that unions are a form of extortion because they make it difficult to complete large projects without the help of the union.

3) Except that in Toledo, OH, where I grew up, the non-union shops produced higher-quality results and paid their workers more than union shops because the company didn't have the union protecting incompetent workers.

4) My experience being in a union (UFCW) and talking with several friends who work in the HVAC industry (I do not know what union covers HVAC) has been the opposite. We all agree that the non-union jobs we've had were greatly superior to the union jobs. Non-union jobs mean that you advance according to talent, hard work, and ability, and do not have inept co-workers who can't be fired. Union jobs mean that even if you're the best person there, some moron who has no value but has been there 10 years longer will be paid more because of "seniority".

Unions today are a drain on society. I will never belong to a union again, and I will never hire any company that uses union workers. Unions had their place before the US legal system caught up with industrialization, but they have become nothing more than an expensive redundancy.

ZV
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm a member of a union (UAW - United AutoWorkers, who happen to cover most of the physics graduate students in the UC system) and proud of it.

You're proud of the fact that your union's short-sighted and selfish demands have severely crippled the ability of the domestic automotive industry to compete on a worldwide basis?

ZV
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Wow. Just a quick note:

Writers /=/ Electricians.

Kthnks.

Is this a joke, or are you truly stupid?

No, it's not a joke toolbox. The product that the people in these unions produce combined with the fact that the product they ultimately influence are so different that to compare them is stupid.

Shouldn't you be in class?

You are truly stupid then. Thanks for answering that question.
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm a member of a union (UAW - United AutoWorkers, who happen to cover most of the physics graduate students in the UC system) and proud of it.

You're proud of the fact that your union's short-sighted and selfish demands have severely crippled the ability of the domestic automotive industry to compete on a worldwide basis?

ZV


where does cheap foreign labor and materials equate into that statement?
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
1) US Law today covers this. There is no value-add from a union here.

2) So basically, you're admitting that unions are a form of extortion because they make it difficult to complete large projects without the help of the union.

3) Except that in Toledo, OH, where I grew up, the non-union shops produced higher-quality results and paid their workers more than union shops because the company didn't have the union protecting incompetent workers.

4) My experience being in a union (UFCW) and talking with several friends who work in the HVAC industry (I do not know what union covers HVAC) has been the opposite. We all agree that the non-union jobs we've had were greatly superior to the union jobs. Non-union jobs mean that you advance according to talent, hard work, and ability, and do not have inept co-workers who can't be fired. Union jobs mean that even if you're the best person there, some moron who has no value but has been there 10 years longer will be paid more because of "seniority".

Unions today are a drain on society. I will never belong to a union again, and I will never hire any company that uses union workers. Unions had their place before the US legal system caught up with industrialization, but they have become nothing more than an expensive redundancy.

ZV

Hi, can I sign up for your newsletter?
 

dartworth

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Zenmervolt...just curious as to what jobs you are talking about in Toledo...?

You cannot compare the UAW and UFCW unions to the building trades such an the IBEW and UA.
 

amdhunter

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<-- Former IBEW Local 3 member.

They used to be so good to us.

The last year or so, they have turned into a pile of trash run by a bunch of retards in the NYC Time Warner area. This is because the entire union is run by top Time Warner brass, who don't care for anyone who hasn't been with the company less than 15 years.

I am so glad I got out of cable when I did. This union does nothing but suck TWC cock. They screwed current techs pay from > $25 an hour to 15, with a 40 cent raise every year. Who the hell can live with that?

Time Warner + IBEW Local 3 = bunch of turds.
 

TheoPetro

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you all know my position on unions. They had their place there place is gone now. They hold back progress and are basically a haven for those that cannot produce. In the unions good workers are treated teh same as horrid workers. THere is no motivation to do better just a motivation to stay in the union longer to reach higher pay grades. Almost every company I know of (I know a lot of little ones) that is nonunion the employees are much happier than they were in the union. The ones that arnt happy are back at the union hall waiting for work because they cant perform and without the union they would be SOL.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm a member of a union (UAW - United AutoWorkers, who happen to cover most of the physics graduate students in the UC system) and proud of it.

You're proud of the fact that your union's short-sighted and selfish demands have severely crippled the ability of the domestic automotive industry to compete on a worldwide basis?

ZV

Our demands were selfish? Let's go over which part was selfish

I make $22k/year. This is just enough for food+rent+utilities in Southern California. I live in a 2-bedroom apartment with a room mate, which is the cheapest possible rent in the area. I live a very meager life, and I'm fine with that; eventually I'll have my PhD, I can make more money later. For now, I accept making only $22k/year for doing my job (and a damn fine one at that). No, I don't have beer money.

The university wants to pay me $20.9k/year for the exact same job. I've worked out my budget, I can't afford to live in Southern California on that salary.

We are willing to accept this if we get some other form of compensation, perhaps health insurance, perhaps a dental plan, etc. I would love to have health insurance.

University is unwilling to negotiate (illegal by CA law), using stall tactics (also illegal)

We threaten a strike

University comes to table, the old contract is renewed (same salary) after we've argued that we can't possibly survive off of a 5% pay decrease.

Now, clearly you did not read the post at all, so I'll let that slide. But PLEASE GET A GOD DAMN CLUE.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm a member of a union (UAW - United AutoWorkers, who happen to cover most of the physics graduate students in the UC system) and proud of it.

You're proud of the fact that your union's short-sighted and selfish demands have severely crippled the ability of the domestic automotive industry to compete on a worldwide basis?

ZV


where does cheap foreign labor and materials equate into that statement?

the reason foreign labor is cheap is because they do not use the UAW. sadly the uaw is the one of the big reasons that US automotive industry is so screwed and can not compete.

of course so is the fact that they can't design a car that most people want.
 

Throckmorton

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I don't understand what's wrong with the writers' guild? They want residuals from internet revenue, the networks think they shouldn't get any. How is this not a reason to strike?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm a member of a union (UAW - United AutoWorkers, who happen to cover most of the physics graduate students in the UC system) and proud of it.

You're proud of the fact that your union's short-sighted and selfish demands have severely crippled the ability of the domestic automotive industry to compete on a worldwide basis?

ZV

Our demands were selfish? Let's go over which part was selfish

I make $22k/year. This is just enough for food+rent+utilities in Southern California. I live in a 2-bedroom apartment with a room mate, which is the cheapest possible rent in the area. I live a very meager life, and I'm fine with that; eventually I'll have my PhD, I can make more money later. For now, I accept making only $22k/year for doing my job (and a damn fine one at that). No, I don't have beer money.

The university wants to pay me $20.9k/year for the exact same job. I've worked out my budget, I can't afford to live in Southern California on that salary.

We are willing to accept this if we get some other form of compensation, perhaps health insurance, perhaps a dental plan, etc. I would love to have health insurance.

University is unwilling to negotiate (illegal by CA law), using stall tactics (also illegal)

We threaten a strike

University comes to table, the old contract is renewed (same salary) after we've argued that we can't possibly survive off of a 5% pay decrease.

Now, clearly you did not read the post at all, so I'll let that slide. But PLEASE GET A GOD DAMN CLUE.

in some places the union is still needed. but the majority it seems are outdated. they have more damage to the employer and hurting the future of the workers. but the members do not see that.

NOT all unions are bad and they were needed in the past.
 

TheoPetro

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I don't understand what's wrong with the writers' guild? They want residuals from internet revenue, the networks think they shouldn't get any. How is this not a reason to strike?

they planned the strike for months. Instead of negotiating or trying to resolve it a different way they just went right to "STRIKE". They were bashed by other unions because of this. Its not so much that they shouldn't get $ from other sales its the way they went about getting fair treatment.