Originally posted by: SigArms08
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: SigArms08
You mention bill collectors from the phone company - if a person or company is unsatisfied with the service and/or cost provided by said phone company, they can easily switch to another company that can better meet their needs. Same is true of credit cards, unless you're too ignorant and have charged up some massive debt that is unmanageable. Using the IRS as a comparison is incredibly poor as paying taxes is a legal requirement of each citizen. Are you suggesting that it should be a legal requirement to utilize unionized labor?
You really missed what the analogy was about. The discussion was about the statement that corporations not 'liking' to deal with unions, and my pointing out how silly it was.
I don't care what phone company or credit card company you pick, you aren't expected to 'like' dealing with their bill collectors. That was the point.
That the corporations 'liking' to deal with the unions isn't the issue, of *course* they don't 'like' to deal with people that are going to negotiate for higher wages. So what?
JeepinEd addressed your concern over wages. What say you to the professions that aren't unionized? Are those people, including myself, all working for slave wages?
No, first, unions have an effect on non-union industries; non-union companies are still competing for workers with union shops. Second, unions aren't the whole story.
There are a variety of things that cause wages to increase, including a variety of government policies that support it. Unions are just one part.
I don't know, Craig.....does everybody deserve a blanket raise when its time for review?
Those who have worked harder, been more responsible and productive in their roles should earn a higher wage than the individual who is a chronic dirtbag. On many occasions, its incredibly difficult, if not impossible, for an employer to get rid of the few undesirables due to the blanket protection that unions typically offer (I'm refering to the UAW here as I personally have years of experience working as a salaried person within that absurd environment). As a manager or company, would you like dealing with unions when the expectation is that your business unit is profitable in a competitive marketplace?
I have a few friends who own and manage their own businesses. I'll run your analogy by them to gain an understanding of their perspective, too.
"Non-union companies are still competing for workers with union shops."
In this global economy? I'm not gung-ho on free trade like NAFTA, mind you. Would be nice if we had fair trade, though.
"There are a variety of things that cause wages to increase, including a variety of government policies that support it. Unions are just one part"
Increasing wages beyond that of inflation without sufficient cause and/or increased productivity is not a great thing for the economy.
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