Unemployment Rate Falls

[wiretap]

Honest question... What were those numbers in 2008, 2007, 2006, etc? I'm not saying the situation isn't bad, I just find the timing of modern day 'fiscal conservatives' very convenient now that a D is in office.

umm, this problem has been perpetuating over several decades. Don't paint it as a left or right issue. We can trace back policies to key individuals if you'd like, but we don't need to go there because what is done has been done.. it's only getting worse at an exponential rate as we speak.

 

[shira]

This is pretty much unquestionably good news. The rate of job losses has fallen by 95% since the beginning of the year and it's even possible that when these numbers are revised we will see a small amount of job growth. For the situation to change this much in such a short time during what many economists considered the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression is a fabulous thing.

Come on people, you can be happy for better economic news even if it makes the Democrats look good.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 1: The unemployment rate is still much too high. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 2: We've incurred huge deficits and barely dented the unemployment rate. When the stimulus money runs out, we're doomed. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 3: The economy has improved despite unwarranted government meddling with the free markets. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 4: The numbers lie. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 5: Things would be MUCH better if liberals had let the big banks fail. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 6: This is what happens when you let a serial adulterer tell the FHA to let poor people get loans. Clinton is to blame, and Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 7: Cut taxes. That will solve the unemployment problem. Obama sucks.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

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[blackangst1]

Right-wing knee-jerk response 1: The unemployment rate is still much too high. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 2: We've incurred huge deficits and barely dented the unemployment rate. When the stimulus money runs out, we're doomed. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 3: The economy has improved despite unwarranted government meddling with the free markets. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 4: The numbers lie. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 5: Things would be MUCH better if liberals had let the big banks fail. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 6: This is what happens when you let a serial adulterer tell the FHA to let poor people get loans. Clinton is to blame, and Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 7: Cut taxes. That will solve the unemployment problem. Obama sucks.

Whew! I was worried you might list some left wing knee-jerk responses there for a minute! We wouldnt want you perpetuating the idea THAT ever happens!

 

[wiretap]

Right-wing knee-jerk response 1: The unemployment rate is still much too high. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 2: We've incurred huge deficits and barely dented the unemployment rate. When the stimulus money runs out, we're doomed. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 3: The economy has improved despite unwarranted government meddling with the free markets. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 4: The numbers lie. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 5: Things would be MUCH better if liberals had let the big banks fail. Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 6: This is what happens when you let a serial adulterer tell the FHA to let poor people get loans. Clinton is to blame, and Obama sucks.

Right-wing knee-jerk response 7: Cut taxes. That will solve the unemployment problem. Obama sucks.

Oh, this is fun.

Liberal talking points:
- More unemployment is needed so we can get everyone begging at the feet of the government to institute more social redistributive programs so more power is gained by the federal government.
- Let's get those evil businesses and show them who's boss. The government should control all of them.
- Let's manipulate more numbers to fit our agenda. Global warming numbers.. change them. Unemployment numbers.. change them. Spending numbers.. change them.
- Hell, the banks should be run by the federal government too, take them all over. Maybe we could have a joint board for GM and Goldman Sachs.
- Free housing for everyone! When we run out of money we'll just print more!
- Raise taxes! People don't need to keep the money they earn because they don't know how to spend it right.. let's confiscate all their money because we can spend it better.

 

[werepossum]

werepossum,
Right on the money. Global currency is what I fear most.. it has already been unveiled and is in the pipes ready to go. It has pretty much been failure by design -- removing certain (good) regulations and replacing them with bad regulations which lead to further collapse. The global elite bankers, especially the ones running the Fed, want more and more power. They've certainly been getting it. When global currency comes, they'll be the central supplier of everyone's currency. They will dictate how economies rise and fall, what the lending rates are, what the interest rates are, what is insured and what isn't.. etc. We'll basically have lost our sovereignty. The best thing we can do is revert back to a tangible standard such as gold and start true reform of monetary policy and a true free market system which does not drive our assets and money to international shores. But, it's too late in the game and those who run the show remain in charge from administration to administration. It's truly depressing what has happened to the country.

You know, it is hard to not reach that conclusion. How can two supposedly diametrically opposed parties who supposedly hate each other be so consistently stupid in the same ways, so consistently fail to correct the very things they railed against? Republicans railed against the ridiculous requirements for HUD - and did nothing to change them once in power. Democrats railed against the Republicans removing the very sensible separations in the financial sectors - and have done nothing to restore them. (Although to be fair the Democrats haven't had quite as long yet.) At some point it becomes very hard to believe this is not intentional and that the two parties actually disagree on much at all.

Very good point on private versus public unions, Red Dawn, and I agree completely. If it's not government or a government-enforced monopoly, then striking is just another part of competitiveness and market forces; the company offering the best deals while keeping its employees happy should win. I think that only falls down when an industry's players are all subject to the same union; then that union can take down one at a time using the resources of the others and thus enforce ultimately crippling concessions. But even then each company is (or should be) free to fire all its union workers and start over, so that the union is limited by the company's need or desire to keep its trained work force.

 

[heyheybooboo]

I can't leave you guys alone for a few hours without a thread on unemployment digressing into a peeing contest on the New World Order ... complete with Ass-Facts, doom and gloom, and global conspiracies by bankers.







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[werepossum]

I can't leave you guys alone for a few hours without a thread on unemployment digressing into a peeing contest on the New World Order ... complete with Ass-Facts, doom and gloom, and global conspiracies by bankers.







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Hey, unemployment isn't such a shiny object, dude. LOL

 

[Patranus]

LOL - Lets wait until the "revised" numbers are released.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL - Lets wait until the "revised" numbers are released.

Good idea. The numbers from the past two months once revised were about 160,000 jobs better than originally thought. If we're lucky enough for that to be the case here, this month would have created a pretty good chunk of jobs. Wouldn't that be great?

 

[ebaycj]

I'd like to know who those people are, that no longer need to put food on the table.

Those are the people who were supposed to "trickle-down" their lack of need to the rest of us. So much for that concept.

 

[BoberFett]

When Bush is president, the WSJ and unemployment rates are just tools of the right wing to spread their propaganda.

Now that Obama is in office, EskimoLemonBooboo (or whoever the fuck the OP is) can use them as proof positive that the Democrats have led us out of the desert and into the promised land.

This forum is hilarious.

 

[BoberFett]

Why don't you give President Obama the respect he deserves and call him by his proper name?

You mean Chimpy? Oh wait, different president, different standards...

 

[Zebo]

The improvement includes 54,000 temporary jobs Christmas produced. Then you got bailed out HC and banks who added a few. Lots of hoopla with massive dept all around and little to sustain the economy in the long run. Prepare. I am still buying Gold and commodities (and night vision goggles)

 

[Ausm]

You mean Chimpy? Oh wait, different president, different standards...

I never called Bush that so what's your point?

 

[dmcowen674]

Unemployment Rate Falls to 10%

Thank you Messiah Obama

 

[Hacp]

We lost 11,000 jobs, how did unemployment rate fall? We actually lost jobs!

 

[BoberFett]

I never called Bush that so what's your point?

Obama will get as much respect from Republicans as Bush did from Democrats. It's a pretty simple point, do you need me to draw you a picture?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Health care employment rises, but Obungo is doing his damned to fuck that one up too.

Boy, way to show a lack of class. You must really be a (lack of) class act.

 

[Modelworks]

We lost 11,000 jobs, how did unemployment rate fall? We actually lost jobs!

Sad isn't it , when losing jobs as long as it isn't but 11,000 or so is considered good news .

I don't think it will last. I think the holidays have caused some businesses to hire and that after the holidays they will lay off.

 

[Acanthus]

Health care employment rises, but Obungo is doing his damned to fuck that one up too.

Because naturally, increasing demand and availability of health care with reduce demand...

What happened to the massive rationing? you can't have both.

 

[Ozoned]

Sad isn't it , when losing jobs as long as it isn't but 11,000 or so is considered good news .

I don't think it will last. I think the holidays have caused some businesses to hire and that after the holidays they will lay off.

Lot of people out there willing to work cheap, too.

 

[werepossum]

Because naturally, increasing demand and availability of health care with reduce demand...

What happened to the massive rationing? you can't have both.

Sure you can. You can increase the number of health care workers, but also have widespread rationing as more people are entitled to more free stuff. Certainly the more expensive technologies and drugs will be more widely rationed. Demand can always increase faster than supply even if supply increases.

Alternately you can have an increased number of people working within health care overall, but if a higher percentage are paper pushers, supervisors and other bureaucrats (a hallmark of government, just look at the USPS with as many supervisory employees as non-supervisory employees) then even direct health care providers' time may have to be more tightly rationed. That's true even without increasing demand by increasing the pool of people eligible for a wide range of services.

No one with any sense doubts that under the Democrats' many plans, rationing will increase. The questions should be to what extent it is morally acceptable to rob Peter to pay for Paul's health care, and to what extent rationing some expensive items to afford more less expensive items for more people makes sense, either to benefit society or to provide some cosmic justice and fairness. Your own priorities determining how much each of these last two reasons drives your desire for government-controlled health care - although from what I've seen, hatred of insurance companies and the rich is at least as strong a factor as the two I consider legitimate.

 

[fskimospy]

When Bush is president, the WSJ and unemployment rates are just tools of the right wing to spread their propaganda.

Now that Obama is in office, EskimoLemonBooboo (or whoever the fuck the OP is) can use them as proof positive that the Democrats have led us out of the desert and into the promised land.

This forum is hilarious.

/facepalm

For someone who's whole shtick is 'I see how it really is unlike these partisan hacks', you have an amazing ability to delude yourself. What you do is twist reality to serve your preconceived notion of how things are in the exact same manner that you accuse others of. Nice projection!

 

[BoberFett]

The only thing required to "see how it really is" is to stop lying to yourself.

You and the rest of the Democrats around here sound EXACTLY like the Republicans did for the past 8 years.