Unemployed need not apply

[Zebo]

Nothing we don't know, it's always easier to get a job if you got one than not but i found this story interesting because they are so blatant about it.

In the bad old days of the 1800s, when it was legal for employers to discriminate against anyone they pleased, job postings used to say things like: "No Irish Need Apply." Now the unemployed, it seems, have become the new Irish: In advertisement after advertisement, employers come right out and tell them they're not wanted.

Right now CareerBuilder, one of the biggest job sites on the web, has a posting for an entry-level engineer. The candidate, it says, will perform structural analysis of telecommunications cell towers. A civil engineering degree is required, an undergrad GPA of at least 3.4 as is knowledge of AutoCAD. Some travel is required.

Oh, and there's one other thing: "No layoff candidates."

What?!

You heard right: If you've been laid off or are out of work, pal, scram -- this employer, like many others, doesn't want you. You're damaged goods.

Look anywhere where jobs are posted, and you'll see more examples. This discrimination isn't subtle. It's not covert. It's right out in the open, stated in the listings: A phone manufacturer looking to fill a marketing job stipulates "No unemployed candidates will be considered at all." An electronics firm looking for an engineer says it will "Not consider/review anyone NOT currently employed regardless of the reason." A Craigslist posting for an assistant restaurant manager in New Jersey says all applicants "Must be currently employed."

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/febr...-long-term-jobless-struggle/story?id=13039978

 

[Jhhnn]

Shameful, huh? It's as if the employers fail to recognize that being unemployed is often just the luck of the draw.

 

[glenn1]

They need some way to cut the number of applicants down to a reasonable size. I don't see why this is any worse than requiring a college degree that could be done by an semi-skilled chimp.

 

[wuliheron]

If being poor in America is shameful then why not being unemployed?

Some states even allow businesses to discriminate against people for being "unlucky" and increase their insurance rates. As the number of unlucky and unemployed and poor people increases this is exactly the kind of action required for the US to remain competitive. After all, even if such things have no basis in reality image is everything.

 

[shiner]

Shameful, huh? It's as if the employers fail to recognize that being unemployed is often just the luck of the draw.

More often it is not.

 

[JS80]

Nothing we don't know, it's always easier to get a job if you got one than not but i found this story interesting because they are so blatant about it.



http://abcnews.go.com/Business/febr...-long-term-jobless-struggle/story?id=13039978

Great strategy to lower the number of crap resumes being submitted.

 

[SandEagle]

repost from a year ago

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2080939

 

[Jhhnn]

More often it is not.

Yeh, get your little moral superiority dance going.

It's not like all the people who lost their jobs at Bear Stearns weren't doing their jobs, or all the other people laid off en masse weren't either.

 

[Doppel]

Unfortunate but chances really are that those who are already employed are better than those who aren't. Certainly exceptions but it is an effective if untasteful way to cut back the subject pool

 

[Zebo]

We are quickly moving towards an elite who control most wealth, a section of society who serve them, and everyone else in poverty and destitution. Think South America or a place like Mexico where a few are very rich billionaires, 10% serve them and protect them everyone else is fucked. For now, social welfare system keeps our fucked afloat, which is unsustainable and will collapse and we'll look about like Mexico. Anyway - this idea of not hiring qualified people but rather transfer qualified people just goes on to perpetuate this type of economic system where bottom up prosperity every American is taught less likely.

Now you know why I got into the liquor business. I was going to open a bar after I stopped building but I figured people would just drink at home to drown out misery and sorrows due to cost.

 

[Jhhnn]

Unfortunate but chances really are that those who are already employed are better than those who aren't. Certainly exceptions but it is an effective if untasteful way to cut back the subject pool

Hogwash. It doesn't matter how well an individual does their job when the business entity they work for collapses due to bad management and looting from the top down. It doesn't matter when layoffs are structured at an executive level 5 layers above the actual work being performed, either. And it certainly doesn't matter when entire enterprises are offshored due to currency valuation imbalances.

What few understand and what fuels the stupidity and denial on the right is that being employed is largely a matter of luck.

People will fill the jobs available to them, and right now there simply aren't enough to go around. There are armies of trained professionals and technical people out of work with little relief in sight, often because employers deem them to be "overqualified" for the jobs they need to fill. One of the newest ploys to get a job, any job, is to dummy down the resume.

 

[bruceb]

It doesn't sound legal to me. More like discrimination, like in asking how old a job applicant is. Some jobs, do not want older workers, some insist on college degrees for even a very basic entry level job, paying very low wages. Or the job is far from your home and with gas what it is now, who is going to travel say, 50 miles each way to work for maybe $15 - $25 per hour ? ? You lose more in time and expenses than what the job can provide for you.

 

[soccerballtux]

We are quickly moving towards an elite who control most wealth, a section of society who serve them, and everyone else in poverty and destitution. Think South America or a place like Mexico where a few are very rich billionaires, 10% serve them and protect them everyone else is fucked. For now, social welfare system keeps our fucked afloat, which is unsustainable and will collapse and we'll look about like Mexico. Anyway - this idea of not hiring qualified people but rather transfer qualified people just goes on to perpetuate this type of economic system where bottom up prosperity every American is taught less likely.

Now you know why I got into the liquor business. I was going to open a bar after I stopped building but I figured people would just drink at home to drown out misery and sorrows due to cost.

either is a good strategy, being home as a drunk is boring. You want to imagine everything is A-OK. Hence oldies music (70s/80s rock) for atmosphere.

 

[sactoking]

It doesn't sound legal to me. More like discrimination, like in asking how old a job applicant is. Some jobs, do not want older workers, some insist on college degrees for even a very basic entry level job, paying very low wages. Or the job is far from your home and with gas what it is now, who is going to travel say, 50 miles each way to work for maybe $15 - $25 per hour ? ? You lose more in time and expenses than what the job can provide for you.

Discrimination is 100% legal so long as the discrimination is not against a protected class. You can't discriminate based on age, gender, religion, etc. Employment status is not a protected class and thus perfectly legal to discriminate on.

It may be immoral and/or distasteful, but it is legal.

 

[sandorski]

The good news is that Jobs are starting to come back. The Bad News is that they'll continue to come back slowly.

 

[Doppel]

Hogwash. It doesn't matter how well an individual does their job when the business entity they work for collapses due to bad management and looting from the top down. It doesn't matter when layoffs are structured at an executive level 5 layers above the actual work being performed, either. And it certainly doesn't matter when entire enterprises are offshored due to currency valuation imbalances.

What few understand and what fuels the stupidity and denial on the right is that being employed is largely a matter of luck.

People will fill the jobs available to them, and right now there simply aren't enough to go around. There are armies of trained professionals and technical people out of work with little relief in sight, often because employers deem them to be "overqualified" for the jobs they need to fill. One of the newest ploys to get a job, any job, is to dummy down the resume.

As I said or meant, "chances are". If you take 100 people who are employed and 100 who are laid off I am saying that the 100 employed are better employees/offer more to the business. There are wild exceptions. Plenty of chaff employed, plenty of good people unemployed, but you know as well as I that when a business is forced to make layoffs they target those layoffs at the under performers first. If things get bad the good and top performers go as well but typically the under performers are first to go. This is one of the reasons why business are doing well now despite lower employees; their productivity is up on a per-employee basis.

I've been laid off before, but the above is the reality. When businesses lay off they go for the fat first before the meat.

 

[Zebo]

The good news is that Jobs are starting to come back. The Bad News is that they'll continue to come back slowly.

That's a lie fed to you by our Goebbels resetting the stats in Feb government. The employment rate is still spiraling downward.

 

[ShawnD1]

They need some way to cut the number of applicants down to a reasonable size. I don't see why this is any worse than requiring a college degree that could be done by an semi-skilled chimp.

Probably this. They also put up GPA requirements for the same reason. No job actually requires a GPA of 3 to be done properly. You could probably have a GPA of 1 and still do most jobs. When I was a chemist, I don't think I ever had any problem at work that was as difficult as any one of my classes.

 

[Zebo]

Discrimination is 100% legal so long as the discrimination is not against a protected class. You can't discriminate based on age, gender, religion, etc. Employment status is not a protected class and thus perfectly legal to discriminate on.

It may be immoral and/or distasteful, but it is legal.

this. I discriminate against fat and smokers not unemployed. Figuring if they don't care about their own body how will they care about my profitability?

Second smoking - not to mention affecting group rate you wouldnt believe how much time in a day a smoker wastes.

I sat down one time and observed one all day stepping out and it was over an hour I was paying them to smoke.

 

[Jhhnn]

The good news is that Jobs are starting to come back. The Bad News is that they'll continue to come back slowly.

And the other part of the bad news is that many of the new jobs pay less. Middle class beatdown? Right on the end of your fork, so eat up, kiddies!

Corporate profits are up, though, way up, so we just need to wait for that good ol' trickledown effect to kick in. Actually, it's more like the kickdown effect trickling in, but the usual raving Righties will never figure it out, having been effectively conditioned to believe in lies.

 

[Engineer]

The good news is that Jobs are starting to come back. The Bad News is that they'll continue to come back slowly.

and at ever increasingly lower wages than the ones they replaced.

 

[matt0611]

and at ever increasingly lower wages than the ones they replaced.

Of course, why would companies start to increase wages now? there's a glut of workers, we need people back to work asap.

 

[Zebo]

and at ever increasingly lower wages than the ones they replaced.

True if they were coming back but it's not true anyway. They fuck with statistics as shown above.

read this
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2442531

When tax receipts and home prices start rising I'll believe employment is going up.

 

[Doppel]

Actually, it's more like the kickdown effect trickling in, but the usual raving Righties will never figure it out, having been effectively conditioned to believe in lies.

This. At some point they'll figure it out, but who knows when. People are extremely poor at digesting statistics, so despite being told now that the middle and lower classes are growing way, way slower than upper, people still have this notion that the sky is the limit and all the odds are even, etc. etc.

Regarding the unemployment rate, though, you see with manufacturing essentially machines are better than poorly-educated people. And this is why manufacturing in the US is increasing dollar per worker at a fast rate (automation, technology). Once any business gets to the point that it can create a machine or automated process that is cheaper than you then you are no longer needed. And the worse your education the more likely this is to happen, generally. It's not quite that simple, obviously: a software process could be cheaply created to replace a $60k/year worker while creating a functioning robot to lay bricks and replace a $60k/year brick-layer is trickier.

 

[sandorski]

True if they were coming back but it's not true anyway. They fuck with statistics as shown above.

read this
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2442531

When tax receipts and home prices start rising I'll believe employment is going up.

Employment is improving. I'm not just talking about the Unemployment Rate, I'm fully aware of its' variables, but the amount of new Jobs coming onto the Market. 192,000 for Feb.