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Undercover Videos Expose Late Term Abortion Industry

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nextJin said:
How common is 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions? I was born at 25 weeks in '82 and I'm now 6'1" 215 lbs. If the child is born/aborted after 24 weeks I personally believe the child should be fought for.

The abortion issue is dishearting imo, with things like the morning after pill and other preventive means anyone who gets an abortion after 24 weeks should quite frankly be ashamed of themselves.
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They usually are ashamed. An abortion is not an easy decision for most women.
 
Ban abortion and then ban welfare for the parents so the kid can grow up in jail. 40k a year for tax payers to support the unwanted. Conservative should be proabortion. Less taxes,less minorities, less welfare. Most of those aborted would grow up to be democrats. As usual it seems that both sides are filing a fight they should be against. Ban abortions equals more liberals and bigger government.
 
I'm a liberal and usually ignore rightwing outrage over take-your-pick but late-term abortions really disgust me, and I'm disappointed there isn't more attention paid to these procedures.

The difficulty lies in identifying when life begins. While the most logical marker is conception, things like Plan B don't bother me because at that point it is just a cluster of cells. But when an organism has arms, legs, a heart and brain.. there can be no justification for ending its life (and thats what it is--with a beating heart and thinking brain it is a life, albeit floating inside another).

The balance between a woman's right to choose and the right to life is after just a few weeks from conception. If you are a woman having unprotected sex at some point it becomes your fault for not finding out you are pregnant. If you had semen go into you without protection you should expect pregnancy as a result and deal with it as you see fit. 24, 25 weeks. . . you already made your choice.
 
Farang said:
I'm a liberal and usually ignore rightwing outrage over take-your-pick but late-term abortions really disgust me, and I'm disappointed there isn't more attention paid to these procedures.

The difficulty lies in identifying when life begins. While the most logical marker is conception, things like Plan B don't bother me because at that point it is just a cluster of cells. But when an organism has arms, legs, a heart and brain.. there can be no justification for ending its life (and thats what it is--with a beating heart and thinking brain it is a life, albeit floating inside another).

The balance between a woman's right to choose and the right to life is after just a few weeks from conception. If you are a woman having unprotected sex at some point it becomes your fault for not finding out you are pregnant. If you had semen go into you without protection you should expect pregnancy as a result and deal with it as you see fit. 24, 25 weeks. . . you already made your choice.
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Because the media doesn't want to attack abortion. These cases are a lot more common than people realize. This is murder and inexcusable and the same goes for Gosnell.
 
Atreus21 said:
Doesn't murder have some stipulation that it has to be done intentionally?
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Who can say there isn't intent? What if a woman drinks too much or launches herself down some stairs or onto the back of a chair? What if a doctor is encouraging behavior that leads to miscarriages?

By your standard dead bodies should not be checked for foul play.

Hard to prove intent if you don't actually look for it.
 
jackstar7 said:
Who can say there isn't intent? What if a woman drinks too much or launches herself down some stairs or onto the back of a chair? What if a doctor is encouraging behavior that leads to miscarriages?

By your standard dead bodies should not be checked for foul play.

Hard to prove intent if you don't actually look for it.
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Yes, and harder still to prove it one way or the other. The vast majority of miscarriages happen in the very earliest stage, where no physical trauma could contribute to it. They occur because, as I understand it, of very fundamental chromosomal abnormalities.

If at a later stage of pregnancy a woman deliberately miscarries, I'd be in favor of charging her for it. We already do similar things when a child is killed in utero from a gunshot.
 
Atreus21 said:
Yes, and harder still to prove it one way or the other. The vast majority of miscarriages happen in the very earliest stage, where no physical trauma could contribute to it. They occur because, as I understand it, of very fundamental chromosomal abnormalities.

If at a later stage of pregnancy a woman deliberately miscarries, I'd be in favor of charging her for it. We already do similar things when a child is killed in utero from a gunshot.
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So you do want investigations into miscarriages. Got it.
 
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