Unbelievable...Bush's Latest Speech AKA al-Qaeda, Iraq, 9/11, Terror, War...Rinse, Repeat

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Harvey
There's EVERTHING false in what he stated! Bush continues to conflate "Al Qaeda in Iraq" and anything related to his war of lies in Iraq with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, the group who struck on 9-11.

When are you going to join the rest of us in the year 2007? the statement that AQI is tied to AQ in Afghanistan is absolutely true... in the year 2007!

So he's not lying at all.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is there anything false in what he stated?

That's not important... what's important is that jpeyton counted a bunch of words!

Everybody makes mistakes, they only become a problem when you never learn from them. These tactics are exactly what got you people in Iraq in the first place, so one would think you people would learn from that, but that might be asking too much.

Do try to see the forest from the trees next time.

See the forest through the trees? You mean like seeing the inevitable bloodshed that would result from our pulling out without stabilizing the region? Or did you mean leaving without any consideration for that?

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is there anything false in what he stated?

That's not important... what's important is that jpeyton counted a bunch of words!

Everybody makes mistakes, they only become a problem when you never learn from them. These tactics are exactly what got you people in Iraq in the first place, so one would think you people would learn from that, but that might be asking too much.

Do try to see the forest from the trees next time.

See the forest through the trees? You mean like seeing the inevitable bloodshed that would result from our pulling out without stabilizing the region? Or did you mean leaving without any consideration for that?

So Iraq is stable right now? How come more people are dying now than before? At what point do we say, "Enough is enough" already? For every suicidal islamic maniac 10 more spawn!! How do you continue to fight under those circumstances?

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is there anything false in what he stated?

That's not important... what's important is that jpeyton counted a bunch of words!

Everybody makes mistakes, they only become a problem when you never learn from them. These tactics are exactly what got you people in Iraq in the first place, so one would think you people would learn from that, but that might be asking too much.

Do try to see the forest from the trees next time.

See the forest through the trees? You mean like seeing the inevitable bloodshed that would result from our pulling out without stabilizing the region? Or did you mean leaving without any consideration for that?

So Iraq is stable right now? How come more people are dying now than before? At what point do we say, "Enough is enough" already? For every suicidal islamic maniac 10 more spawn?? How do you continue to fight under those circumstances?

Did you hear that? It sounded like the point flying right over your head.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: sandorski
We fight them there so we don't have to fight them here! Oh crap, looks like we'll be fighting them here soon!

If Bush really wanted to tell the truth, he should simply quote Pogo:

WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.

Exactly as I described your, and others, feelings.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
When are you going to join the rest of us in the year 2007? the statement that AQI is tied to AQ in Afghanistan is absolutely true... in the year 2007!

So he's not lying at all.

BULLSHIT! And while you're at it, try to remember that our current Traitor in Chief and his criminal cabal are the ONLY reason any band of murderers calling itself "Al Qaeda" is even able to operate in Iraq, today. :shocked:

Does the little boy want another glass of Kool-Aid? :roll:

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is there anything false in what he stated?

That's not important... what's important is that jpeyton counted a bunch of words!

Everybody makes mistakes, they only become a problem when you never learn from them. These tactics are exactly what got you people in Iraq in the first place, so one would think you people would learn from that, but that might be asking too much.

Do try to see the forest from the trees next time.

See the forest through the trees? You mean like seeing the inevitable bloodshed that would result from our pulling out without stabilizing the region? Or did you mean leaving without any consideration for that?

So Iraq is stable right now? How come more people are dying now than before? At what point do we say, "Enough is enough" already? For every suicidal islamic maniac 10 more spawn?? How do you continue to fight under those circumstances?

Did you hear that? It sounded like the point flying right over your head.

What point? Please tell me what your point is, HOW THE FUCK do you fight a war that can not be won? Do you propose the liquidation of all Iraqi males in Iraq? Tell me Jrenz, what strategy should we take to eliminate the ongoing, growing, suicidal threat that is only getting worse? A new surge? Installing a new government? Since you seem to know it all, tell me what your solution is? And I thought we were fighting them to avoid Al Queda attacks here, I haven't heard many people talk about the Iraqi people lately, as that strategy no longer works for the administration. Now it is time to instill fear in all of us, this went from a war to stop Saddam and the WMD's, to a war fought to bring Democracy to Iraq, to a war fought to save American lives here... I wonder what the next reason for war will be, I have never heard of people changing the past to make a case for the future, especially when the past is only 5 years ago.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: jrenz
Did you hear that? It sounded like the point flying right over your head.

What point? Please tell me what your point is, HOW THE FUCK do you fight a war that can not be won? Do you propose the liquidation of all Iraqi males in Iraq? Tell me Jrenz, what strategy should we take to eliminate the ongoing, growing, suicidal threat that is only getting worse? A new surge? Installing a new government? Since you seem to know it all, tell me what your solution is? And I thought we were fighting them to avoid Al Queda attacks here, I haven't heard many people talk about the Iraqi people lately, as that strategy no longer works for the administration. Now it is time to instill fear in all of us, this went from a war to stop Saddam and the WMD's, to a war fought to bring Democracy to Iraq, to a war fought to save American lives here... I wonder what the next reason for war will be, I have never heard of people changing the past to make a case for the future, especially when the past is only 5 years ago.

At this point, instead of dignifying any more of jrenz's one-liners with a reply, I suggest surrendering the fact that members of our military only have so much mental capacity for information, and the constant whine of "Iraq, al-Qaeda, 9/11, Osama, terror" from their peers and superiors has overwhelmed any notion of rational thought that existed beforehand.

They're trained to obey without question; trying to change their mind with reason is pointless.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Is there anything false in what he stated?

That's not important... what's important is that jpeyton counted a bunch of words!

Everybody makes mistakes, they only become a problem when you never learn from them. These tactics are exactly what got you people in Iraq in the first place, so one would think you people would learn from that, but that might be asking too much.

Do try to see the forest from the trees next time.

See the forest through the trees? You mean like seeing the inevitable bloodshed that would result from our pulling out without stabilizing the region? Or did you mean leaving without any consideration for that?

So Iraq is stable right now? How come more people are dying now than before? At what point do we say, "Enough is enough" already? For every suicidal islamic maniac 10 more spawn?? How do you continue to fight under those circumstances?

Leave their countries, secure our borders, and remove them from our land. Continue to build up intelligence that?s actually accurate about their locations and weapons and then strike where needed, strike but do not carry out a rebuilding process.

They should rebuild their own land to learn the price they pay, the ramifications of not being as civilized as 1940?s Japan.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: sandorski
We fight them there so we don't have to fight them here! Oh crap, looks like we'll be fighting them here soon!

If Bush really wanted to tell the truth, he should simply quote Pogo:

WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.

Exactly as I described your, and others, feelings.

Assuming, for the moment that I and others who remind the Bush Kool-Aid suckers are "the enemy," please remind us exactly when any of us gave orders to start a war based entirely on lies that, to date, has cost the lives of 3,643 (and rising) American troops and tens of thousands more American troops wounded, scarred and disabled for life. THAT is where you start with your TRAITOR IN CHIEF and his band of criminals!

The evidence of their lies and treachery is conclusive. If you haven't figured it out, the only possiblities are, you've been brain dead for the last six years, or you're a willing participant in their criminality.

Which is it? :shocked:

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: palehorse74
When are you going to join the rest of us in the year 2007? the statement that AQI is tied to AQ in Afghanistan is absolutely true... in the year 2007!

So he's not lying at all.

BULLSHIT! And while you're at it, try to remember that our current Traitor in Chief and his criminal cabal are the ONLY reason any band of murderers calling itself "Al Qaeda" is even able to operate in Iraq, today. :shocked:

Does that make the statement of their being tied together, now, any less true? No, it does not.

Does the little boy want another glass of Kool-Aid? :roll:

seek help.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
]Does that make the statement of their being tied together, now, any less true? No, it does not.

YES, IT DOES! Bush's speech just continues his pattern of fear mongering by conflating those issues. Arguing the precise factual details of any one small group of his words is pointless. Even if a specific, individual sentence or group of words is true, he tries to use such minutia to support other false assertions.

Language and communication of ideas don't work that way. They rely on context and reference as much as the words, themselves, and parsing and defending small clusters of his words only destroys your own credibility. The most rational assumption about ANYTHING Bush says is that he's lying because, taking his statements in context, the only thing he ever does is lie. :frown:

seek help.

Seek something beyond your third grade ability to comprehend the English language. :roll:

 

[StageLeft]

I like the chart you have. I've said the same thing before. 911 could happen every day for the rest of my life and I'd still be unlikely to die from it. Far more americans not only are likely to, but are currently dying from other problems that are more easily addressed and would result in improvements to lives and decrease loss of life. Terrorism is so effective against Americans because they are incredibly fickle and easily brought to fear, acting in a knee-jerk fashion to statistically less significant problems than those they are already comfortable with. It's also the idea that somebody else is hurting them that irritates them; they're quite content with hurting themselves through leading unhealthful lives.

 

[GrGr]

Hehe, that speech smacks of desperation. How many Al Qaeda members are there in Iraq - 2000? 3000? And that is the reason the US should continue it's occupation? Laughable.

Al Qaida in Iraq is like flies swarming around a turd.

 

[manowar821]

Does this joke of a president have some kind of yearly B.S. speech quota to make?

He's so condescending when he speaks, too. Like this bigot of a man has any reason to talk DOWN to people.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: palehorse74
]Does that make the statement of their being tied together, now, any less true? No, it does not.

YES, IT DOES! Bush's speech just continues his pattern of fear mongering by conflating those issues. Arguing the precise factual details of any one small group of his words is pointless. Even if a specific, individual sentence or group of words is true, he tries to use such minutia to support other false assertions.

Language and communication of ideas don't work that way. They rely on context and reference as much as the words, themselves, and parsing and defending small clusters of his words only destroys your own credibility. The most rational assumption about ANYTHING Bush says is that he's lying because, taking his statements in context, the only thing he ever does is lie. :frown:

seek help.

Seek something beyond your third grade ability to comprehend the English language. :roll:

You should write a ***** song about it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Harvey
There's EVERTHING false in what he stated! Bush continues to conflate "Al Qaeda in Iraq" and anything related to his war of lies in Iraq with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, the group who struck on 9-11.

When are you going to join the rest of us in the year 2007? the statement that AQI is tied to AQ in Afghanistan is absolutely true... in the year 2007!

So he's not lying at all.

Would I be lying right now (July 26/07) if I were to say "Listen kiddo, son,....right now your making some very nice coinage with the continuing of this war, just like Nebo? your profiting while soldiers and civilians are dieing"

?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: jrenz
seek help.

Originally posted by: Harvey
Seek something beyond your third grade ability to comprehend the English language. :roll:

Originally posted by: jrenz
You should write a ***** song about it.

I already did, but the lyrics contain a few words with three or more syllables and none that are spelled with asterisks so you probably wouldn't understand it. :laugh:

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Harvey
There's EVERTHING false in what he stated! Bush continues to conflate "Al Qaeda in Iraq" and anything related to his war of lies in Iraq with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, the group who struck on 9-11.

When are you going to join the rest of us in the year 2007? the statement that AQI is tied to AQ in Afghanistan is absolutely true... in the year 2007!

So he's not lying at all.

Would I be lying right now (July 26/07) if I were to say "Listen kiddo, son,....right now your making some very nice coinage with the continuing of this war, just like Nebo? your profiting while soldiers and civilians are dieing"?

you'd be lying.

I make a modest wage as a DoD consultant - less than six figures. When I go overseas in the service, I actually take a paycut. I also made a decent wage before the war. In fact, my civilian salary has only increased about 20% in nine years. (that's < 3% increase per year). Heck, I spend a good chunk of my money driving my pickup truck 102 miles - to work and back - every day.

My wife makes half of what I make. We live in Northern VA where the money does not go very far at all. We live in small townhouse that I just bought (my first house), and we have rooms that have no furniture in them at all!

The funny thing is, with my experience, degrees, and background, I'd probably make at least twice as much working in the private sector doing information security work or business intelligence. I could probably ask for $200k at any bank or Fortune 100 company in North America! Heck, i've been offered that much and turned it down!

I've also turned down many lucrative contracting opportunities in Iraq and Afghanistan. When I've gone over, I've done so as a soldier. I do what i do because i believe in the missions and I'm proud of my role in the WOT. It's a job that needs doing.

So what was your point again? Oh ya... you were lying.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


I make a modest wage as a DoD consultant - less than six figures.

I looked up what a grunt in the Reserves makes and then used your scale you posted before about making 4 to 5 times as much with your civvy job. To me, it came out to some very nice coinage. I was not lying

The funny thing is, with my experience, degrees, and background,

You should put those degrees on your resume e's, it would probably help alot

 

[Orignal Earl]

The last time you pm'd me and asked me to delete my posts, I did so,..
Within a week you were right back at it
I only quote you on your posts here, in no way am I messing with your RL identity
Don't pm me anymore

I'm pretty sure I know where your coming from with your posts, and do enjoy reading them

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I make £6 000 every month i spend abroad and by now i have made enough to buy a house and a car cash while saving for my children and for myself.

I don't know which rank palehorse74 has but the army pays very well for Captains and up while lower officers and grunts who are first into the battle usually get shafted both in pay and benefits.

I made a lot more when i had a job for a security company in Kuwait so i don't doubt palehorse's numbers.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I even enjoyed the post you deleted in between my last two

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Harvey
There's EVERTHING false in what he stated! Bush continues to conflate "Al Qaeda in Iraq" and anything related to his war of lies in Iraq with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, the group who struck on 9-11.

When are you going to join the rest of us in the year 2007? the statement that AQI is tied to AQ in Afghanistan is absolutely true... in the year 2007!

So he's not lying at all.

Would I be lying right now (July 26/07) if I were to say "Listen kiddo, son,....right now your making some very nice coinage with the continuing of this war, just like Nebo? your profiting while soldiers and civilians are dieing"?

you'd be lying.

I make a modest wage as a DoD consultant - less than six figures. When I go overseas in the service, I actually take a paycut. I also made a decent wage before the war. In fact, my civilian salary has only increased about 20% in nine years. (that's < 3% increase per year). Heck, I spend a good chunk of my money driving my pickup truck 102 miles - to work and back - every day.

My wife makes half of what I make. We live in Northern VA where the money does not go very far at all. We live in small townhouse that I just bought (my first house), and we have rooms that have no furniture in them at all!

The funny thing is, with my experience, degrees, and background, I'd probably make at least twice as much working in the private sector doing information security work or business intelligence. I could probably ask for $200k at any bank or Fortune 100 company in North America! Heck, i've been offered that much and turned it down!

I've also turned down many lucrative contracting opportunities in Iraq and Afghanistan. When I've gone over, I've done so as a soldier. I do what i do because i believe in the missions and I'm proud of my role in the WOT. It's a job that needs doing.

So what was your point again? Oh ya... you were lying.

I understand in your off time that you're also a robot ninja warrior.....

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I even enjoyed the post you deleted in between my last two

I really wish i knew what it said.