"Unauthorized immigrant"

[manimal]

The Statue of Liberty is a symbol of LEGAL immigration. I'm all for legal immigration. Maybe they should make the requirements a little bit lighter so that more people do it the right way. However, I'm sorry but that doesn't excuse people for breaking the law.

(for the record, I'm not conservative, libertarian, republican, or a tea party supporter, and I think a wall would be a horrendous waste of money & largely ineffective)

So something like guest worker visa's, employer checks and cards?

You know many in both the house and senate-dem and republican-wanted guest worker visa's and pushed for a overhaul of immigration policy with its best advocates John Mcain and George Bush...

Guess what happens when immigration reform comes up again and tamperproof guest worker Id's and visas with employer checks comes back up again?

Yup John Mcain contradicts himself and calls himself an idiot...


OT

Name one moderate Senator?

 

[Zebo]

To a point you are right, and I agree with you. They are still parasites...I used that term as a punchline in following with how the thread was progressing.

The difference between the two groups... is that one group are American Citizens.. and the other isn't. I will note that illegals come here, have their children... which medicaid fully pays for due to the instant baby citizen aspect. Hospitals have the paperwork down cold. Then, as the icing on the cake, the illegals enroll that child in medicare, and welfare. Because illegals have little to document their actual income, they collect a check, food stamps, etc on the child's behalf. Here in our county, 32 million dollars in welfare checks went to illegal immigrant parents of anchor babies. That is just one county in NC out of many with the same issue. Oh, and we spend $90 million a year in our county to educate their children, both anchor babies and non-citizen children.

So don't tell me they aren't equal to the draw that citizen welfare queens are... They are at least equal in potential.

I don't like the welfare queens either. However, out gov't encourages them to stay trapped in the social welfare system/programs. Many are lifers from birth, and it is structured to not pay if they somehow manage to rise a bit above the rest. I find fault with them, and their lifestyle, but can't fully blame them for what they've become.

I have great respect for hispanics having traveled many times on business to latin america... I even dated a very nice and educated girl who was here illegally from Columbia on an expired travel visa. She ultimately moved to Canada where she attained legal resident status inside of six months. When she lived here I watched her send thousands of dollars to lawyers in Miami promising to help her become legal. What a scam. Due to the gov't not securing the border, and not reforming immigration, we have a whole demographic of people who are treated like cattle or slaves and are preyed upon. I find it hard to believe that many progressives want open borders when they can see these people treated like that.

Finally, I dare you to try and emigrate to Sweden... Denmark... Germany... You'd better have at least a four year degree, a skill they are in need of and oh yeah... MONEY. So other countries set high standards... and so do we... we just don't enforce them at all.

So you see... I'm conservative, but not an asshole black/white type. I realize there is a cause for our nation's ills and I'm not going to be simple minded enough to point at just the illegals being the problem. That said the first time an unlicensed, uninsured, drunk illegal slams into my car - I promise you I will make the national news.

All these countries you mention are having same issues. People seem to like living where economy is better so they come in legally and illegally. I don't blame them and just lucky I'm not the one having to jump someones border to survive. That said I understand other angle as well, why import the impoverished who are net liabilities? This is why welfare needs to be scrapped for workfare. Fixes that problem and forces them to be assets or not come. The west will learn this hard economics lesson soon and will be forced into it by mathematics if they don't.

 

[Zebo]

Actually there were no Federal quotas until the 20th century. The Naturalization Act of 1790 set certain racial requirements for naturalization only and did not speak to residency.

Yes but a boat ticket thousand of miles away was an economic quota.

 

[Deeko]

OT

Name one moderate Senator?

Very OT, but really, even if there is one, he/she can't act like it. The Senate is a worthless wasteland of partisan hackery. If you don't vote down party lines, you will probably get voted out.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Extended duration tourist

I prefer the term "Democrat Seeking Asylum".

 

[JockoJohnson]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

???

 

[Pulsar]

Um, I give you multiple examples of the conservatives in this thread who think of illegal immigrants as less than human. One says to start shooting them. One calls them parasites. And one uses a racial slur. I didn't even quote the person who actually said that in Iran they just kill illegal immigrants as a spy. I didn't say I don't think we should secure our borders, but quite frankly anyone with any sense realizes that we're not gonna be able to stop illegal immigration or deport every illegal immigrant. Not even close.

Do I think the court ruling recently (don't remember which state) that said illegal immigrants should be allowed to pay in state tuition is a good idea? Hell no, it's ridiculous. But they're still people and human beings. Just because they don't speak English well or at all and are in this country illegally doesn't mean I think they should be treated like trash.

Hey thraashman? Your bigotted partisianship is equally as hateful as their racial slurs.

Not one of those called themselves a conservative. By bringing it up and slurring a whole group of people as you did, you made it quite clear that you're just as bad as the people posting the ignorance that you quoted.

Maybe it's time to start running around calling all liberals baby-killers. That will probably get the same level of intelligent commentary that your crap is going to generate.

 

[Rock Hydra]

There is no such thing as "illegal aliens". A particular group of people would love for you to pretend that there are so that you can also pretend that the illegals are all the reasons you have no jobs. Not a group of crooks who claim to legitimately enforce policies on people known as the Prison industrial complex, NAFTA, GAT, SPP and funding to relocate off this continent.

 

[Linflas]

Yes but a boat ticket thousand of miles away was an economic quota.

You really don't see a difference between government dictating by law a quota and the ability of a potential immigrant to purchase passage? They are not even remotely similar. In fact slavery in the English colonies evolved from indentured servitude which was one method used at the time to overcome the "boat ticket" issue. I stand by my original statement that there was no Federal quota on immigration until the 20th century.

 

[thraashman]

Hey thraashman? Your bigotted partisianship is equally as hateful as their racial slurs.

Not one of those called themselves a conservative. By bringing it up and slurring a whole group of people as you did, you made it quite clear that you're just as bad as the people posting the ignorance that you quoted.

Maybe it's time to start running around calling all liberals baby-killers. That will probably get the same level of intelligent commentary that your crap is going to generate.

Using a racial slur like beautiful ray of sunshine which is insulting to hispanics is not even remotely equatable with having a problem with destructive modes of thought. My original post said "from reading this thread I've learned something." The point being that the thread was full of hateful rhetoric. And while they didn't call themselves conservatives, these people post here regularly and are identifiable as conservative.

I do however find it amusing that you decide to take a genuine call for treating all peoples humanely and try to turn it around on the me as an excuse to defend hateful behavior. That's pretty low dude.

 

[shortylickens]

There is no such thing as "illegal aliens". A particular group of people would love for you to pretend that there are so that you can also pretend that the illegals are all the reasons you have no jobs. Not a group of crooks who claim to legitimately enforce policies on people known as the Prison industrial complex, NAFTA, GAT, SPP and funding to relocate off this continent.

Well, the first sentence is utter complete crap.
The 2nd sentence makes a lot of sense in that we really cant blame too many problems on illegals because most of the problems are the fault of lazy, spoiled, stupid Americans. The illegals are more an indicator of other serious issues, though they also bring their own problems.
The rest is just moonbeam-type insanity.

 

[WackyDan]

All these countries you mention are having same issues. People seem to like living where economy is better so they come in legally and illegally. I don't blame them and just lucky I'm not the one having to jump someones border to survive. That said I understand other angle as well, why import the impoverished who are net liabilities? This is why welfare needs to be scrapped for workfare. Fixes that problem and forces them to be assets or not come. The west will learn this hard economics lesson soon and will be forced into it by mathematics if they don't.

Yes, countries in the EU are having similar issues... And some like Norway actually do want under educated immigrants. PBS special on tonight talked about how they had a shortage of low skilled workers to employ as cab drivers, cooks, maids, etc... Go figure.

However, their illegal problem is nowhere near the scale of our own.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Well, the first sentence is utter complete crap.
The 2nd sentence makes a lot of sense in that we really cant blame too many problems on illegals because most of the problems are the fault of lazy, spoiled, stupid Americans. The illegals are more an indicator of other serious issues, though they also bring their own problems.
The rest is just moonbeam-type insanity.

I would maybe agree to your statism, but there is no state, there are no citizens. Factually, and only factually, there is no citizens because the principal/agent relationship never truly exists. They would love for it to pretend there is. Hence there is no 'state' which is a body politic comprised of citizens. No state, no 'united states', no illegals. It's all in your head.

 

[PingSpike]

Unauthorized immigrants flock to our country to consume our plentiful corn sugar foodstuffs.

 

[nobodyknows]

I like "workers keeping my produce and menial labor affordable."

Do you like slavery and indentured servitude as well?

Might as well call it what it really is, cheap ass labor for the people too lazy to do their own dirty work.

 

[halik]

I was classified as a "legal alien" and "permanent resident" as a green card holder. Logic would suggest "illegal alien" for permanent residents that do not have a green card.

It's still amusing that there's a contingent of people (read: democrats) against H1B, but yet for allowing masses of uneducated, generally non-english speaking laborers to come to the US.

1. Give a Chinese kid a doctorate
2. Send him home
3. Give a Mexican kid citizenship
4. ???
5. Profit

 

[halik]

There is no such thing as "illegal aliens". A particular group of people would love for you to pretend that there are so that you can also pretend that the illegals are all the reasons you have no jobs. Not a group of crooks who claim to legitimately enforce policies on people known as the Prison industrial complex, NAFTA, GAT, SPP and funding to relocate off this continent.

wat?

 

[JD50]

I would maybe agree to your statism, but there is no state, there are no citizens. Factually, and only factually, there is no citizens because the principal/agent relationship never truly exists. They would love for it to pretend there is. Hence there is no 'state' which is a body politic comprised of citizens. No state, no 'united states', no illegals. It's all in your head.

You hang out with moonbeam don't you?

 

[shortylickens]

You hang out with moonbeam don't you?

Thats what I said!

 

[Pulsar]

Using a racial slur like beautiful ray of sunshine which is insulting to hispanics is not even remotely equatable with having a problem with destructive modes of thought. My original post said "from reading this thread I've learned something." The point being that the thread was full of hateful rhetoric. And while they didn't call themselves conservatives, these people post here regularly and are identifiable as conservative.

I do however find it amusing that you decide to take a genuine call for treating all peoples humanely and try to turn it around on the me as an excuse to defend hateful behavior. That's pretty low dude.

You insulted an entire group of people. Period. It was trolling, clear and simple. You added nothing thoughtful to the conversation. You served to inflame and further upset.

You did not say the thread was full of hate and rhetoric. If that's what you mean, perhaps that what you should have said. Instead you very clearly directed that statement towards conservatives: a large and very diverse group of people. Where you could have directed your response directly at the posters you had problems with, you chose to further escalate the hatred by insulting even more people.

There's no twisting, backpedalling, or slanting what you did.