"Unauthorized immigrant"

[irishScott]

From the man himself: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=7313467

Illegal aliens FTW!

 

[Deeko]

Which were our ancestors-invaders or illegal aliens?

Invaders. Invaders that came in, uprooted the natives, killed most of them, and destroyed their way of life. Do I defend their actions? Nope, but it happened about half a millenium ago, so I'm not going to beat myself up over it. My ancestors probably owned slaves too - should I be ok with slavery?

Seriously - what are you getting at? Do you want another country to invade us and establish their own nation on our soil? Otherwise, your statement is entirely moot to this discussion.

 

[QuantumPion]

Seriously - what are you getting at? Do you want another country to invade us and establish their own nation on our soil? Otherwise, your statement is entirely moot to this discussion.

Isn't that the stated goal of La Raza and other illegal immigrant advocacy groups?

 

[theeedude]

I would gladly pay more for produce to send the illegals packing.

That is your decision to make, insist that your produce is not picked by illegals, pay enough to offset the extra labor cost, and farmers will send them packing.

 

[Linflas]

Invaders. Invaders that came in, uprooted the natives, killed most of them, and destroyed their way of life. Do I defend their actions? Nope, but it happened about half a millenium ago, so I'm not going to beat myself up over it. My ancestors probably owned slaves too - should I be ok with slavery?

Seriously - what are you getting at? Do you want another country to invade us and establish their own nation on our soil? Otherwise, your statement is entirely moot to this discussion.

And the current "invasion" is being done by descendents of the Spanish/Portuguese invaders of Mexico, Central, and South America.

 

[thraashman]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

 

[Deeko]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

No one in this thread said anything even remotely like that. Nice try, sport.

 

[ShawnD1]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

Iran = country that welcomes foreigners and treats them better than citizens? :hmm:

 

[Linflas]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

Can you give a serious response as to why it is that you evidently believe that of all the countries in the world only the United States is not entitled to control who is allowed to cross its borders and not entitled to deport persons that choose to do so illegally? And further that anyone that believes that the United States is just as entitled to enforce its immigration and naturalization laws is automatically assumed to "want America to be more like Iran"? If anything a lack of respect for due process and respect for rule of law moves us more towards being like Iran.

 

[Kadarin]

Which were our ancestors-invaders or illegal aliens?

It really doesn't matter at this point, because for better or worse we happened to win that particular battle. If you can't come to terms with that, pound sand.

 

[thraashman]

Doesn't much matter because the native Indians fought them tooth and nail to a great degree and ultimately lost.

So, let's repeat history and shoot every fucking one we see. Winner takes all.

Parasite works well.

Define "not that expensive".

Canada doesn't have hoards of wetbacks and produce here is literally twice as expensive as the US. In Europe it's even more expensive.

Can you give a serious response as to why it is that you evidently believe that of all the countries in the world only the United States is not entitled to control who is allowed to cross its borders and not entitled to deport persons that choose to do so illegally? And further that anyone that believes that the United States is just as entitled to enforce its immigration and naturalization laws is automatically assumed to "want America to be more like Iran"? If anything a lack of respect for due process and respect for rule of law moves us more towards being like Iran.

Um, I give you multiple examples of the conservatives in this thread who think of illegal immigrants as less than human. One says to start shooting them. One calls them parasites. And one uses a racial slur. I didn't even quote the person who actually said that in Iran they just kill illegal immigrants as a spy. I didn't say I don't think we should secure our borders, but quite frankly anyone with any sense realizes that we're not gonna be able to stop illegal immigration or deport every illegal immigrant. Not even close.

Do I think the court ruling recently (don't remember which state) that said illegal immigrants should be allowed to pay in state tuition is a good idea? Hell no, it's ridiculous. But they're still people and human beings. Just because they don't speak English well or at all and are in this country illegally doesn't mean I think they should be treated like trash.

 

[Linflas]

Um, I give you multiple examples of the conservatives in this thread who think of illegal immigrants as less than human. One says to start shooting them. One calls them parasites. And one uses a racial slur. I didn't even quote the person who actually said that in Iran they just kill illegal immigrants as a spy. I didn't say I don't think we should secure our borders, but quite frankly anyone with any sense realizes that we're not gonna be able to stop illegal immigration or deport every illegal immigrant. Not even close.

Do I think the court ruling recently (don't remember which state) that said illegal immigrants should be allowed to pay in state tuition is a good idea? Hell no, it's ridiculous. But they're still people and human beings. Just because they don't speak English well or at all and are in this country illegally doesn't mean I think they should be treated like trash.

On this you and I are in complete agreement. Where I disagree with you is the idea that we cannot deal with this problem. No country can completely prevent people form entering illegally but we can make it undesirable to do so without compromising what makes us welcoming to those willing to come through the front door. If it requires looking at and changing the laws regarding how people enter the country legally I am more than happy to those laws changed where necessary. If it requires that we come up with a system to allow seasonal workers to come in then we should look at that as well. Make it difficult to live and work in this country without being here legally many here illegally will self deport.

 

[dphantom]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

sorry not recess time yet. go back to your studies.

 

[Thump553]

Invaders. Invaders that came in, uprooted the natives, killed most of them, and destroyed their way of life. Do I defend their actions? Nope, but it happened about half a millenium ago, so I'm not going to beat myself up over it. My ancestors probably owned slaves too - should I be ok with slavery?

Seriously - what are you getting at? Do you want another country to invade us and establish their own nation on our soil? Otherwise, your statement is entirely moot to this discussion.

My point is it is totally hypocritical to be all outraged and have moral hissy fits over "illegal aliens"-especially in a nation that (used to?) revere the Statue of Liberty as one of it's proudest symbols. These days it seems a more appropriately symbol is an angry red faced teabagger calling for a reverse Berlin Wall.

 

[JD50]

My point is it is totally hypocritical to be all outraged and have moral hissy fits over "illegal aliens"-especially in a nation that (used to?) revere the Statue of Liberty as one of it's proudest symbols. These days it seems a more appropriately symbol is an angry red faced teabagger calling for a reverse Berlin Wall.

It is not hypocritical at all.

 

[Deeko]

My point is it is totally hypocritical to be all outraged and have moral hissy fits over "illegal aliens"-especially in a nation that (used to?) revere the Statue of Liberty as one of it's proudest symbols. These days it seems a more appropriately symbol is an angry red faced teabagger calling for a reverse Berlin Wall.

The Statue of Liberty is a symbol of LEGAL immigration. I'm all for legal immigration. Maybe they should make the requirements a little bit lighter so that more people do it the right way. However, I'm sorry but that doesn't excuse people for breaking the law.

(for the record, I'm not conservative, libertarian, republican, or a tea party supporter, and I think a wall would be a horrendous waste of money & largely ineffective)

 

[werepossum]

From reading this thread, I've learned one thing. Conservatives want America to be more like Iran with the only difference being Christianity instead of Islam. So .... conservatives hate everything that makes America, America. Ok. Thanks for telling the rest of us who like freedom and democracy.

Obviously learning is not your strong point, else you would have noticed that the side that wants to keep America as it is presently constituted is the conservative side. It is the progressive side that hates everything about America, as evidenced by its attempts to change everything about it and its repeated references to how much better are other countries.

Perhaps instead of attempting to learn you should stick to mindless repetition.

 

[boomerang]

Um, I give you multiple examples of the conservatives in this thread who think of illegal immigrants as less than human. One says to start shooting them.

Don't mis-characterize my response to Thump533.

My statement was a response to the ongoing argument from the left that those now living in the U.S. were once invaders themselves. Ignoring that those people are long since dead and we are but their descendants, while we as invaders is not a false statement, my reply was to point out that the native people (the Indians) fought back.

That would be the difference between then and now. When they were invaded and their way of life was threatened, the Indians fought back and viciously too. Progressives feel that although we are also being invaded, that the correct response is to give the invaders food, clothing, shelter, an education, welfare, voting rights and so on and so forth. It's not a viable option in either the short term or the long term and anyone with even a low IQ should be able to comprehend it.

 

[LumbergTech]

Here we give you free stuff and the right to sue citizens.

yes, because we all love the iranian government so much..

apparently you guys find iran to be superior to the united states when it comes to immigration

 

[Svnla]

Isn't that the stated goal of La Raza and other illegal immigrant advocacy groups?

Read for yourself.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863

There are much more about them. Just google the term La Raza.

 

[LumbergTech]

Obviously learning is not your strong point, else you would have noticed that the side that wants to keep America as it is presently constituted is the conservative side. It is the progressive side that hates everything about America, as evidenced by its attempts to change everything about it and its repeated references to how much better are other countries.

Perhaps instead of attempting to learn you should stick to mindless repetition.

/mindless drivel

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Which were our ancestors-invaders or illegal aliens?

conquerors.

did the native americans have immigration laws?

 

[shortylickens]

Parasite works well.

Not really cuz it doesnt distinguish the 11 million people coming here and working hard for half minimum wage from the millions of citizens leeching off the government legally.

 

[WackyDan]

Not really cuz it doesnt distinguish the 11 million people coming here and working hard for half minimum wage from the millions of citizens leeching off the government legally.

To a point you are right, and I agree with you. They are still parasites...I used that term as a punchline in following with how the thread was progressing.

The difference between the two groups... is that one group are American Citizens.. and the other isn't. I will note that illegals come here, have their children... which medicaid fully pays for due to the instant baby citizen aspect. Hospitals have the paperwork down cold. Then, as the icing on the cake, the illegals enroll that child in medicare, and welfare. Because illegals have little to document their actual income, they collect a check, food stamps, etc on the child's behalf. Here in our county, 32 million dollars in welfare checks went to illegal immigrant parents of anchor babies. That is just one county in NC out of many with the same issue. Oh, and we spend $90 million a year in our county to educate their children, both anchor babies and non-citizen children.

So don't tell me they aren't equal to the draw that citizen welfare queens are... They are at least equal in potential.

I don't like the welfare queens either. However, out gov't encourages them to stay trapped in the social welfare system/programs. Many are lifers from birth, and it is structured to not pay if they somehow manage to rise a bit above the rest. I find fault with them, and their lifestyle, but can't fully blame them for what they've become.

I have great respect for hispanics having traveled many times on business to latin america... I even dated a very nice and educated girl who was here illegally from Columbia on an expired travel visa. She ultimately moved to Canada where she attained legal resident status inside of six months. When she lived here I watched her send thousands of dollars to lawyers in Miami promising to help her become legal. What a scam. Due to the gov't not securing the border, and not reforming immigration, we have a whole demographic of people who are treated like cattle or slaves and are preyed upon. I find it hard to believe that many progressives want open borders when they can see these people treated like that.

Finally, I dare you to try and emigrate to Sweden... Denmark... Germany... You'd better have at least a four year degree, a skill they are in need of and oh yeah... MONEY. So other countries set high standards... and so do we... we just don't enforce them at all.

So you see... I'm conservative, but not an asshole black/white type. I realize there is a cause for our nation's ills and I'm not going to be simple minded enough to point at just the illegals being the problem. That said the first time an unlicensed, uninsured, drunk illegal slams into my car - I promise you I will make the national news.

 

[Zebo]

Colonialists were a mixture of things. In some cases they were invaders and criminals. But one thing is sure, they weren't handed anything. They made it work.

Modern illegal aliens are criminals and don't do much for themselves.

Free land is not handed anything? Land is essential to make wealth (grow, mine, manufacture) Impoverished Europeans living under feudalism, not unsimilar to how America is becoming with corp feudalism, stole land from rich Indians and redistributed it for FREE and made it work. This continued until the 1970s.