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werepossum

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Trying to depose Crump is just grandstanding as well as a delaying tactic. The judge hasn't fallen for it, yet.

The whole thing is a sideshow, other than her being on the phone there's nothing particularly important about her testimony.
I don't think it's grandstanding so much as trying to shut down a line of attack. The State is blatantly allowing Crump to do what it legally can't - coach the witness and shape her testimony.

I am not going to debate GZ' true ethnicity, but white hispanics are and most do live as whites. Just like any race that is mixed with african american is considered black. But these things are changing, mixed races are being identified more detailed than before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans
They live as whites? What the hell does THAT even mean?

Yeah, I saw it. I think it's shocking.

I think this judge is either terribly incompetent or horribly biased. Frankly, I believe it the latter and suspect this is why MOM seems reluctant to request a SYG hearing (or whatever the technical name is).

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I suspect the judge just doesn't want to be tarred with the broad brush of racism.
 

spidey07

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Deposing Crump, who it has been proven via the other recording was telling her what to say, is critical to discovery of the defense.

To deny deposition of that witness is a tragedy of justice which this whole thing has been. The judge and appellate court are actively PREVENTING deposition of a witness.
 
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"Live as whites"


Yup, keep up with the division and racism. And you wonder why people are the way they are. What a perfect example of exactly why we have so many race issues, even today.
 

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Deposing Crump, who it has been proven via the other recording was telling her what to say, is critical to discovery of the defense.

To deny deposition of that witness is a tragedy of justice which this whole thing has been. The judge and appellate court are actively PREVENTING deposition of a witness.

Crump is not any type of witness that is useful to MOM. Everything Crimp may have done is exposable thru other witness.

The only thing other witnesses can not state is why Crimp said/acted in a way. But the results of his actions are attackable and he does not get a chance to defend those actions. MOM has the advantage their because he can plant ideas of cause that will be hard to ignore/defend.


Even if Crump is not deposed, once W8 is on the stand, MOM can go over every word of the deposition and ask what she said and why.

Because Crump's words are there, her response to Crump can be attacked. She will not have the deposition in front of her and Crump can not object. Should the state object to the examination, MOM can point out the exact verbiage that she used before Crump interjected.

Any coaching will become revealed by her answers, given the amount that seems to exist.

She can not get away with a I do not remember, because her initial words can be read back to her.

Just like for the reason GZ should not get on the stand because of lawyers twisting words/responses (No offense DVC), she could be skewered. And the state needs to put her up there on the stand to have any chance of making its case.

MOM just needs to draw the line of generating sympathy W8 by questioning harshly. He has to pull a Crimp by coaxing her through the teal story, not attacking her.

State will realize this, maybe try to have her act like a frighten grieving child to extract sympathy during questioning using a sob or crying break down.
 
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spidey07

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I think the facts and evidence speak for themselves.

Martin in top after brutally and repeatedly beating the victims head in concrete as the victim screamed for his life.

That's lawfull self defense if there ever was. All evidence proves this. Never should have been arrested.

It's like the KKK, except it's reversed with blacks. Fucking disgusting and anybody that doesn't see this fact and history is a fucking racist.

Folks need to read history and see this is a modern day lynch mob in action.
 

spidey07

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Since the prosecution hasn't turned over evidence for discovery, yet another motion demanding they do so. Namely his phone along with records and the damn recording of the DeeDee interview from Crump. The entire interview, not the edited one.

This whole thing stinks and an innocent man is being railroaded. Lots of motions filed including response for request for sanctions against prosecution for all the discovery violations and not turning over evidence.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/
 

Londo_Jowo

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Since the prosecution hasn't turned over evidence for discovery, yet another motion demanding they do so. Namely his phone along with records and the damn recording of the DeeDee interview from Crump. The entire interview, not the edited one.

This whole thing stinks and an innocent man is being railroaded. Lots of motions filed including response for request for sanctions against prosecution for all the discovery violations and not turning over evidence.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

Obviously you didn't read the motion.

DEMAND FOR SPECIFIC DISCOVERY (Enhanced Audio)

The enhanced audio the defense is requesting is the cleaned up audio that allowed Tracy Martin to determine that it was TM screaming as claimed by Crump.
 

Darkman

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I like responses from RT members ( who know how to read those legal documents pretty good, unlike me :) )

"O'Mara pulls no punches in responding to BDLR's Shakespeare-laced excuse for a Response to Motion to Sanction":

O'Mara said:
It is for that reason undersigned counsel requests this Court strike this referenced pleading, and further requests this Court enter whatever additional sanctions it deems appropriate.

"This one will brighten your Friday."

"Indeed it did. Wow. I wonder if MOM copied the Florida attorney regulation division with that."

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George Zimmerman lawyers to judge: Sanction state for 'personal attacks'

Hearing Tuesday in Trayvon Martin shooting case.

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
10:41 a.m. EDT, April 26, 2013

George Zimmerman's defense team has filed a slew of new documents with the court in advance of next week's hearing in his second-degree murder case — including another request for sanctions against the prosecution.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, on Friday replied to a blistering filing issued by prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda last month.

The prosecutor, responding to a defense motion which argued the state delayed in turning over important information to Zimmerman and should be sanctioned, in March called O'Mara a grandstander who "courts anything resembling a microphone or camera."

In his reply, O'Mara says de la Rionda's March filing was full of "scurrilous and unfounded personal attacks," and should be struck from the record. O'Mara also asks the court to "enter whatever additional sanctions it deems appropriate."

"Such behaviors have, in similar cases, subjected the offending attorney to sanctions and disciplinary proceedings," O'Mara writes.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-motion-sanction-20130426,0,4640522.story
 

Druidx

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I&#8217;m curious to see if anyone can explain the importance of how GZ mixed brother defines himself?
 

TerryMathews

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Because they have the same parents...?







That would be too easy. I'm going to give Terry the benefit of the doubt and assume he has some evidence that they are half brothers. Else that statement of his would just be...

All I'm saying is that the modern family dynamic does not mean that two siblings share the same parents, or any parents for that matter (he could be adopted for example.)

I'm not asserting that is the case, I'm just floating it as an example of how RZJ can be white and GZ Hispanic.

I'm not the one who implied that because they are brothers that they must be of the same ethnicity. See below :

Ask his brother, Jr. He, IIRC, lists himself as white.
 
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TerryMathews

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I&#8217;m curious to see if anyone can explain the importance of how GZ mixed brother defines himself?

They're trying to make GZ white again, presumably to make this a white on black crime again. Get that white guilt going before jury selection time.
 
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I’m curious to see if anyone can explain the importance of how GZ mixed brother defines himself?


It matters because every single bit of the uproar in this case is purely due to a white man shooting a black man. It doesn't matter if the black kid viciously attacked him, those details are unimportant. To these people it's only about black and white... Not about a man shooting another man.


However, if the white guy turns out to be brown... Well then it would be a brown guy versus a black guy, which from a societal perspective is the same as a double negative.

They cancel out, and no one cares to defend the vicious black thug anymore with a lengthy criminal history involving stolen property and home invasions. All the sudden he would be simply just another thug, regardless of color.


Pretty disgusting, really.
 

airdata

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Ask his brother, Jr. He, IIRC, lists himself as white.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread with postings directly from the census bureau, hispanic is filed under Caucasian.

For all intents & purposes, Zimmerman is white.

Now, the initial white vs black hoopla had to do with the fact A) Zimmerman looks white, and B) Zimmerman is a name predominantly held by white people. So people reporting him to be white and angling it like that were not doing anything wrong.

Soon after people discovered his mixed race.... but if the census came to his house he'd be punching ' Caucasian ' on his card.

Regardless of his race, he still racially profiled Zimmerman as has been corroborated by my dear friend EagleKeeper in the past.
 

spidey07

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As I pointed out earlier in the thread with postings directly from the census bureau, hispanic is filed under Caucasian.

For all intents & purposes, Zimmerman is white.

Now, the initial white vs black hoopla had to do with the fact A) Zimmerman looks white, and B) Zimmerman is a name predominantly held by white people. So people reporting him to be white and angling it like that were not doing anything wrong.

Soon after people discovered his mixed race.... but if the census came to his house he'd be punching ' Caucasian ' on his card.

Regardless of his race, he still racially profiled Zimmerman as has been corroborated by my dear friend EagleKeeper in the past.

And that profiling was spot on accurate.

The thug committed a forcible felony by beating zimmerman repeatedly about the face, head and skull with a blunt object. Martin turned out exactly who he was suspected of - a violent criminal.
 

Druidx

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As Airdata has previously pointed out, the fact Zimmerman looks white is important because it explains why Trayvon attacked him.