Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Geosurface]

If GZ had been 10 feet away from TM I might agree with you airdata, I might agree that it would be better for him to face whatever legal consequences flowed from brandishing the fire arm, and drawing it without an absolute need to fire it. Morality does trump law.

However, in the situation GZ found himself in... I think trying to draw that weapon, bring it up from his side, and aim it at Trayvon... at that incredibly close range, with Trayvon in so much control... I think the danger at that point of Trayvon simply swatting it aside, pinning GZ's hand to the ground, and ending up in control of the weapon himself, was just too great.

But more importantly, you cannot nit pick the actions of someone in that kind of duress. It's not like GZ had jeopardy music playing while he got several seconds to decide what to do, things were moving a mile a second and he was dazed, terrified, desperate.

You can feel free to sit on the sidelines and critique, but it's different when you're in a situation like that.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Geo : changing your debate style to full retard sarcasm doesn't help you at all.

Was Zimmerman supposed to leave himself @ trayvon's mercy... what the fuck does that have to do w\ him chasing him down in the first place despite clear guidelines stating he's not to do that?> He was acting negligently and chasing after some random kid at night whom he thought to be a criminal.

At the time he pulled the gun out he could have used it to intimidate trayvon and end the confrontation by ordering him off of him. I know spidey's dumb ass has said this would be illegal, etc... and idk how more retarded you can be to assert that not killing somebody would be illegal but killing them would be perfectly fine. What fucking planet do you people live on?

That's really the case for me though. In the first place, he wasn't standing his ground. He actively sought out conflict w\ this kid who by a witnesses account was running in fear of Zimmerman who was stalking him.

Then when he pulls the gun he choses to kill him as opposed to attempt to end the conflict without killing him. Having control of the gun I find it hard to believe Trayvon could have disarmed him without being shot had Zimmerman made any attempt to get Tryavon off of him without murdering him.

So the murder was meaningless and he made the wrong choice by simply pulling the trigger. Call it murder... call it negligent homicide. He took the life of a minor after acting erratically and showing he wasn't in a proper state of mind. He needs to own up to his poor decisions and take whatever punishment is given to him, like a man.

W/ respect to the items in your post that I bolded
1) A person is not negligent by keeping an eye out for strangers in ones neighborhood. Given that the community has a rash of breakins; you would be more negligent by ignoring a stranger walking around.

2) There is no evidence present that he was actively seeking a conflict. Everything has pointed to that he was actively trying to observe where TM was so as to report to the LEO that were on the way. If you have other evidence vs opinion/supposition that I have overlooked; please point it out that indicates he was looking for a conflict.

3) What witness stated that TM was running in fear? Not DeeDee. Not TM actions.

4) What evidence do you have the GZ chose to kill. He fired a shot; did he ever state it was intended to kill TM?

 

[echo4747]

more evidence (witness drawing) that TM was on top of GZ (where GZ says TM bashed his head on concrete)
On page 4 of 7 http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/october_hearing/mot_to_schedule_standing_hearings.pdf

also seems state is making it very difficult to furnish all the evidence they have

 

[OCNewbie]

Isn't there some sort of hearing today? Something about the defense trying to gain access to TM's school records?

 

[spidey07]

Isn't there some sort of hearing today? Something about the defense trying to gain access to TM's school records?

Yes

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...yvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,7396929.story

 

[OCNewbie]

Yes

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...yvon-records-hearing-20121019,0,7396929.story

I hope there is video coverage of it.

 

[soundforbjt]

The State is also going for GZ's medical records as well.

 

[spidey07]

The State is also going for GZ's medical records as well.

LOL! They didn't even look at the medical records of his injuries. What incompetence. Remember MOM saying to the presecutor "You mean these records? You didn't even look at them showing his broken nose and battered head?"

I want to see the full tox report showing what drugs martin was on when he committed his felony brutal and vicious attack.

 

[OCNewbie]

Geez, GZ has porked up!

Edit: From the CNN.com link, I'm getting video but no audio.

 

[OCNewbie]

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbcnews.com/49478983/#49478983

audio here I think

 

[soundforbjt]

LOL! They didn't even look at the medical records of his injuries. What incompetence. Remember MOM saying to the presecutor "You mean these records? You didn't even look at them showing his broken nose and battered head?"

I want to see the full tox report showing what drugs martin was on when he committed his felony brutal and vicious attack.

They want to find out if GZ was on any drugs at the time. I'd like to see a full tox report on GZ as well, but that didn't happen.

 

[OCNewbie]

Sounds like TM's school records will be accessible to MOM.

 

[corwin]

Sounds like TM's school records will be accessible to MOM.

Sounds like she's gonna give them all the records...

 

[soundforbjt]

GZ looks like he's about to fall asleep.

 

[soundforbjt]

What about GZ's MySpace account, will the State get access to those as well?

 

[Tom]

Just an observation as to Facebook and Twitter and the judicial system not necessarily about this case only.

There's no way to establish who actually Tweets or posts something on Facebook. So I don't see how it can be relevant to what a particular person may have thought have or said.

 

[soundforbjt]

Just an observation as to Facebook and Twitter and the judicial system not necessarily about this case only.

There's no way to establish who actually Tweets or posts something on Facebook. So I don't see how it can be relevant to what a particular person may have thought have or said.

Exactly. There's no way to prove a person typed a comment unless you observe them doing so.

 

[TerryMathews]

Just an observation as to Facebook and Twitter and the judicial system not necessarily about this case only.

There's no way to establish who actually Tweets or posts something on Facebook. So I don't see how it can be relevant to what a particular person may have thought have or said.

I'm glad you feel that way, however case law doesn't support your assertion. See Capitol v. Thomas.

Im curious, do you ever read case law and opinions?

 

[TerryMathews]

What about GZ's MySpace account, will the State get access to those as well?

You seem to be implying they dont already have access. Which on the face of it is a ridiculous assertion.

 

[corwin]

Just an observation as to Facebook and Twitter and the judicial system not necessarily about this case only.

There's no way to establish who actually Tweets or posts something on Facebook. So I don't see how it can be relevant to what a particular person may have thought have or said.

Exactly. There's no way to prove a person typed a comment unless you observe them doing so.

Oh sure...his account was hacked and posts made by someone other than him and yet he never mentions it and nobody else makes any comment about the posts not coming from him...sure You're still grasping at straws here when common sense is not on your side

 

[TerryMathews]

They want to find out if GZ was on any drugs at the time. I'd like to see a full tox report on GZ as well, but that didn't happen.

Are you going to tell us again how Adderall is like the exact same thing as meth? Please do, i love it when you tell me stories.

 

[spidey07]

Looks like the judge granted most if not everything MOM wanted.

He's going after DeeDee, the "girlfriend" and her social networking. AWESOME!

 

[corwin]

Looks like the judge granted most if not everything MOM wanted.

He's going after DeeDee, the "girlfriend" and her social networking. AWESOME!

Sweet...let's see if her posts back up her lies, I mean statements...no, I mean lies:\

 

[EagleKeeper]

Looks like the judge granted most if not everything MOM wanted.

He's going after DeeDee, the "girlfriend" and her social networking. AWESOME!

Maybe we will get the details in one form or another of the jewelry :thumbsup:

Allowing MOM to validate the profiling that the TM crowd complains about.

 

[soundforbjt]

Are you going to tell us again how Adderall is like the exact same thing as meth? Please do, i love it when you tell me stories.

I never made that claim that Adderal is the exact same thing as meth. Please quote it. I'll be waiting...:whiste: