Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Geosurface]

Even if zimmerman is initial aggressor, he can lawfully shoot in self defense when on back, after being beaten and unable to retreat.

That is the law, that is self defense laws, not SYG. One is not forced to sit there and be beaten to death without the ability to defend yourself.

WRONG!

Zimmerman was both legally and morally required and obligated to leave himself completely at Trayvon's mercy. Once he was on his back, straddled and beaten, it was incumbent upon him to permit Trayvon to act out any sort of violence, up to and including murder, that Trayvon felt was necessary to teach him a lesson.

You see, getting out of your car is tantamount to signing your own death warrant. The moment he got out of that car, his life was forfeit. He had caused Trayvon anxiety by keeping an eye on him, and from that moment on, Trayvon had full rights to do whatever he wished to George.

See once you've made a mistake like getting out of your car, or trying to keep an eye on someone... you should realize when that person is on top of you beating your head into the pavement, that you've brought this upon yourself. You should take whatever time they are kind enough to let you have before they kill you, to reflect on how poor of a decision it was to get out of your car, and to keep an eye on them. While in this reflective state, you should achieve a certain peace as the realization that everything which is being done to you is fully deserved and just, washes over you like a warm bath.

Also keep in mind, it is very empowering for black youth to beat the living shit out of non-blacks, particularly older ones. We have an epidemic in our society of racial profiling, and young black men are at the greatest risk of this. Society tells them they cannot achieve great things, but beating the shit out of someone gives them a great sense of self-worth and accomplishment. To fight back against such a beating, let alone to end it with deadly force... is deeply racist, and depraved. You have to look at the history of how blacks have been treated in this country to understand why the knockout king program is so crucial to empowerment and social justice.

Now, please don't ask me to cite any laws which back me up on this... I just know it's so. See, the Truth Fairy came to me in a vision last night as I slept, and she set me straight on all this. Come to think of it... her face was somewhat familiar.

 

[spidey07]

WRONG!

Zimmerman was both legally and morally required and obligated to leave himself completely at Trayvon's mercy. Once he was on his back, straddled and beaten, it was incumbent upon him to permit Trayvon to act out any sort of violence, up to and including murder, that Trayvon felt was necessary to teach him a lesson.

You see, getting out of your car is tantamount to signing your own death warrant. The moment he got out of that car, his life was forfeit. He had caused Trayvon anxiety by keeping an eye on him, and from that moment on, Trayvon had full rights to do whatever he wished to George.

See once you've made a mistake like getting out of your car, or trying to keep an eye on someone... you should realize when that person is on top of you beating your head into the pavement, that you've brought this upon yourself. You should take whatever time they are kind enough to let you have before they kill you, to reflect on how poor of a decision it was to get out of your car, and to keep an eye on them. While in this reflective state, you should achieve a certain peace as the realization that everything which is being done to you is fully deserved and just, washes over you like a warm bath.

Also keep in mind, it is very empowering for black youth to beat the living shit out of non-blacks, particularly older ones. We have an epidemic in our society of racial profiling, and young black men are at the greatest risk of this. Society tells them they cannot achieve great things, but beating the shit out of someone gives them a great sense of self-worth and accomplishment. To fight back against such a beating, let alone to end it with deadly force... is deeply racist, and depraved. You have to look at the history of how blacks have been treated in this country to understand why the knockout king program is so crucial to empowerment and social justice.

Now, please don't ask me to cite any laws which back me up on this... I just know it's so. See, the Truth Fairy came to me in a vision last night as I slept, and she set me straight on all this. Come to think of it... her face was somewhat familiar.

What's scary is there are plenty of people who believe exactly as sarcastically posted. Plenty of them in this thread as well.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

WRONG!

Zimmerman was both legally and morally required and obligated to leave himself completely at Trayvon's mercy. Once he was on his back, straddled and beaten, it was incumbent upon him to permit Trayvon to act out any sort of violence, up to and including murder, that Trayvon felt was necessary to teach him a lesson.

You see, getting out of your car is tantamount to signing your own death warrant. The moment he got out of that car, his life was forfeit. He had caused Trayvon anxiety by keeping an eye on him, and from that moment on, Trayvon had full rights to do whatever he wished to George.

See once you've made a mistake like getting out of your car, or trying to keep an eye on someone... you should realize when that person is on top of you beating your head into the pavement, that you've brought this upon yourself. You should take whatever time they are kind enough to let you have before they kill you, to reflect on how poor of a decision it was to get out of your car, and to keep an eye on them. While in this reflective state, you should achieve a certain peace as the realization that everything which is being done to you is fully deserved and just, washes over you like a warm bath.

Also keep in mind, it is very empowering for black youth to beat the living shit out of non-blacks, particularly older ones. We have an epidemic in our society of racial profiling, and young black men are at the greatest risk of this. Society tells them they cannot achieve great things, but beating the shit out of someone gives them a great sense of self-worth and accomplishment. To fight back against such a beating, let alone to end it with deadly force... is deeply racist, and depraved. You have to look at the history of how blacks have been treated in this country to understand why the knockout king program is so crucial to empowerment and social justice.

Now, please don't ask me to cite any laws which back me up on this... I just know it's so. See, the Truth Fairy came to me in a vision last night as I slept, and she set me straight on all this. Come to think of it... her face was somewhat familiar.

I think we can all agree now.

Racist spider man is blocked.

 

[JKing106]

WRONG!

Zimmerman was both legally and morally required and obligated to leave himself completely at Trayvon's mercy. Once he was on his back, straddled and beaten, it was incumbent upon him to permit Trayvon to act out any sort of violence, up to and including murder, that Trayvon felt was necessary to teach him a lesson.

You see, getting out of your car is tantamount to signing your own death warrant. The moment he got out of that car, his life was forfeit. He had caused Trayvon anxiety by keeping an eye on him, and from that moment on, Trayvon had full rights to do whatever he wished to George.

See once you've made a mistake like getting out of your car, or trying to keep an eye on someone... you should realize when that person is on top of you beating your head into the pavement, that you've brought this upon yourself. You should take whatever time they are kind enough to let you have before they kill you, to reflect on how poor of a decision it was to get out of your car, and to keep an eye on them. While in this reflective state, you should achieve a certain peace as the realization that everything which is being done to you is fully deserved and just, washes over you like a warm bath.

Also keep in mind, it is very empowering for black youth to beat the living shit out of non-blacks, particularly older ones. We have an epidemic in our society of racial profiling, and young black men are at the greatest risk of this. Society tells them they cannot achieve great things, but beating the shit out of someone gives them a great sense of self-worth and accomplishment. To fight back against such a beating, let alone to end it with deadly force... is deeply racist, and depraved. You have to look at the history of how blacks have been treated in this country to understand why the knockout king program is so crucial to empowerment and social justice.

Now, please don't ask me to cite any laws which back me up on this... I just know it's so. See, the Truth Fairy came to me in a vision last night as I slept, and she set me straight on all this. Come to think of it... her face was somewhat familiar.

Aw, no one took the bait, Jr. Republican. Try again.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Wow geo looks like you struck a couple of nerves.

 

[WHAMPOM]

WRONG!

Zimmerman was both legally and morally required and obligated to leave himself completely at Trayvon's mercy. Once he was on his back, straddled and beaten, it was incumbent upon him to permit Trayvon to act out any sort of violence, up to and including murder, that Trayvon felt was necessary to teach him a lesson.

You see, getting out of your car is tantamount to signing your own death warrant. The moment he got out of that car, his life was forfeit. He had caused Trayvon anxiety by keeping an eye on him, and from that moment on, Trayvon had full rights to do whatever he wished to George.

See once you've made a mistake like getting out of your car, or trying to keep an eye on someone... you should realize when that person is on top of you beating your head into the pavement, that you've brought this upon yourself. You should take whatever time they are kind enough to let you have before they kill you, to reflect on how poor of a decision it was to get out of your car, and to keep an eye on them. While in this reflective state, you should achieve a certain peace as the realization that everything which is being done to you is fully deserved and just, washes over you like a warm bath.

Also keep in mind, it is very empowering for black youth to beat the living shit out of non-blacks, particularly older ones. We have an epidemic in our society of racial profiling, and young black men are at the greatest risk of this. Society tells them they cannot achieve great things, but beating the shit out of someone gives them a great sense of self-worth and accomplishment. To fight back against such a beating, let alone to end it with deadly force... is deeply racist, and depraved. You have to look at the history of how blacks have been treated in this country to understand why the knockout king program is so crucial to empowerment and social justice.

Now, please don't ask me to cite any laws which back me up on this... I just know it's so. See, the Truth Fairy came to me in a vision last night as I slept, and she set me straight on all this. Come to think of it... her face was somewhat familiar.

Been spending a LOT of time in your padded room modeling Zimmertoys out of your feces?

 

[Geosurface]

Yawn, the usual d-bags implying that joking about this case makes you crazy, or heartless, yadda yadda. Grow a sense of humor you simpering little whiners. Also, while you're at it, learn how to quote someone and edit their quoted text so the page doesn't fill up with a hundred copies of the same image, and the same long post. Sheesh.

Btw we all know these same people wouldn't have any sort of problem at all with the exact same humor style if it was applied to the positions they agree with.

 

[JKing106]

*crickets*

"Is this thing on? I'll be here at the rally all week!"

 

[classy]

Nah man, it wasn't "punks" it was totally "coons!" Fucking coons! That's what the huge, 250lb black-hating racist white man said prior to gunning down that 12 year old adorable child, from a distance of 10 feet, execution style as Trayvon begged for his life and cried.

Trayvon's last words? "Please sir, I have to get these Skittles and tea home to my little brother! Please let me live sir, please."

But, heartless and depraved... the nasty and evil Zimmerman merely laughed maniacally and said "Time's up my excellent compatriot! Enjoy your needless, unprovoked, homicidal death!" BOOM! and then the gun went off.

So don't give me this "punks" crap I know what I heard.

Dude your posts are just ignorant trash. Bet you won't open your mouth in public though, lol.

 

[Geosurface]

You're right JKing106, 6 responses to my post in a little over an hour is such a "crickets" situation... you'll note this entire page of the thread is about that post.

I'm not particularly concerned with how much response it gets, just wanted to correct your incorrect ass.

 

[lotus503]

Yawn, the usual d-bags implying that joking about this case makes you crazy, or heartless, yadda yadda. Grow a sense of humor you simpering little whiners. Also, while you're at it, learn how to quote someone and edit their quoted text so the page doesn't fill up with a hundred copies of the same image, and the same long post. Sheesh.

Btw we all know these same people wouldn't have any sort of problem at all with the exact same humor style if it was applied to the positions they agree with.

Actually I found the Last pic sort of funny, your diatribe more of the same.
and no similar posts on positions I agree with I would still find creepy and in bad taste.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to post bad distasteful humor, you don't have a right to post it and expect no opposing opinions of it.

Your creepy, but you have a right to be.

 

[corwin]

Actually I found the Last pic sort of funny, your diatribe more of the same.
and no similar posts on positions I agree with I would still find creepy and in bad taste.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to post bad distasteful humor, you don't have a right to post it and expect no opposing opinions of it.

Your creepy, but you have a right to be.

The voice of reason yet again...and I agree that last pic was actually one of his best

 

[JKing106]

You're right JKing106, 6 responses to my post in a little over an hour is such a "crickets" situation... you'll note this entire page of the thread is about that post.

I'm not particularly concerned with how much response it gets, just wanted to correct your incorrect ass.

Aw, still pissy your "humor" was unappreciated. Slandering the reputation of a kid who can't defend himself is fucking hilarious, after all. Especially if the kid was a "thug," right? Just don't do it to a family member of any poster on this forum to point out their hypocrisy. That's SERIUS BIDNESS that makes butts hurt around here. I'm sure your humor would go over great at Breitbart and Beck's sites.

 

[lotus503]

Aw, still pissy your "humor" was unappreciated. Slandering the reputation of a kid who can't defend himself is fucking hilarious, after all. Especially if the kid was a "thug," right? Just don't do it to a family member of any poster on this forum to point out their hypocrisy. That's SERIUS BIDNESS that makes butts hurt around here. I'm sure your humor would go over great at Breitbart and Beck's sites.

I'd venture a lot of it is ripped off from there anyway :biggrin:

 

[JKing106]

I'd venture a lot of it is ripped off from there anyway :biggrin:

More than likely.

 

[TerryMathews]

Thank you, you just proved the SYG immunity hearing shouldn't happen.

And you just called MoM "clearly ignorant, and likely willfully so."

Have you read the statutes involved?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Have you read the statutes involved?

No, even though the relevant statutes have been posted in this thread many times.

 

[TerryMathews]

No, even though the relevant statutes have been posted in this thread many times.

Obviously since he keeps calling it a SYG hearing. Its a self defense immunity hearing. It has nothing directly to do with SYG except that retreat is not required.

 

[spidey07]

Obviously since he keeps calling it a SYG hearing. Its a self defense immunity hearing. It has nothing directly to do with SYG except that retreat is not required.

Did you hear there's no duty to retreat in Florida and some 24 other states? Careful when you attack somebody and put them in fear for their life or are in the commission of a forcible felony, you might get shot. The victim has no legal duty to retreat and can defend themselves at all costs, including lethal. Including if they are the initial aggressor under certain circumstances which is a very important addition to self defense laws.

However in this case zimmerman was not the initial aggressor, he was merely the victim of a brutal and vicious attack which could have ended his life or caused severe permanent injury.

 

[OCNewbie]

WRONG!
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Contrary to others here, I thought this post was very entertaining/amusing.

Dude your posts are just ignorant trash. Bet you won't open your mouth in public though, lol.

Never one to miss a chance at bringing the irony, classy hints that Geo wouldn't be brave enough to say such things in public. Hmm... I wonder what things classy is implying Geo might have to fear?

 

[Geosurface]

Contrary to others here, I thought this post was very entertaining/amusing.

Never one to miss a chance at bringing the irony, classy hints that Geo wouldn't be brave enough to say such things in public. Hmm... I wonder what things classy is implying Geo might have to fear?

Thanks :biggrin:

Also, I too noted and smirked at the irony of classy once again basically saying something along the lines of "you wouldn't dare say black people are violent to a black person's face, because they'd violently beat your ass"

But yea, I'm not saying black people are violent. I'm talking about a specific subset, a huge, enormous, out of control large subset.

 

[waggy]

Thanks :biggrin:

Also, I too noted and smirked at the irony of classy once again basically saying something along the lines of "you wouldn't dare say black people are violent to a black person's face, because they'd violently beat your ass"

But yea, I'm not saying black people are violent. I'm talking about a specific subset, a huge, enormous, out of control large subset.

classy is a nice guy. someone i think i would enjoy having a BBQ with. But sometimes (like most here) I don't think he thinks through everything through. but i understand what he is saying and no i can't blame him.

very little pisses me off. racist remarks? no need for them.


Now your jokes? where terrible@! just terrible. if you were on stage i would throw rotten tomatoes at you!

...keep them coming...

 

[Geosurface]

Yea waggy I assure you my intent is not to make "racist comments" my intent is merely to talk about and confront real issues which this case ties in with.

If we were discussing the case of a white guy in the midwest who had burned down his mother in law's house because he set up a meth lab in her basement, unbeknownst to her, while he and his wife were living there... and she and other innocent members of the family had died in the fire, I would use that case as an opportunity to call out rural white America on an out of control meth epidemic in many areas. It's really bad some places.

That wouldn't be about painting the whole white race or even all rural whites with one brush, it would be an acknowledgement of the FACT that a disturbingly high percentage of rural whites are messing with meth and it's doing horrible things to them and those around them.

Likewise with this case, I think what happened that night, the tragic loss of Trayvon's life, was because of a pervasive mindset among a lot of blacks, especially black males of a certain age. The knockout game, flash mobs, etc. There is an attitude of victimizing non-blacks in criminal escapades being seen as acceptable and cool, by a disturbingly large chunk of people.

If it were asian male teens doing this, I'd be pointing this out too.

And if it was a black professor or celebrity or comedian saying exactly the same things I am about this issue, people would nod in solemn agreement. It doesn't suddenly become racist because I say it. It may in many eyes, but I'm done caring, because that's illogical.

 

[airdata]

Geo : changing your debate style to full retard sarcasm doesn't help you at all.

Was Zimmerman supposed to leave himself @ trayvon's mercy... what the fuck does that have to do w\ him chasing him down in the first place despite clear guidelines stating he's not to do that?> He was acting negligently and chasing after some random kid at night whom he thought to be a criminal.

At the time he pulled the gun out he could have used it to intimidate trayvon and end the confrontation by ordering him off of him. I know spidey's dumb ass has said this would be illegal, etc... and idk how more retarded you can be to assert that not killing somebody would be illegal but killing them would be perfectly fine. What fucking planet do you people live on?

That's really the case for me though. In the first place, he wasn't standing his ground. He actively sought out conflict w\ this kid who by a witnesses account was running in fear of Zimmerman who was stalking him.

Then when he pulls the gun he choses to kill him as opposed to attempt to end the conflict without killing him. Having control of the gun I find it hard to believe Trayvon could have disarmed him without being shot had Zimmerman made any attempt to get Tryavon off of him without murdering him.

So the murder was meaningless and he made the wrong choice by simply pulling the trigger. Call it murder... call it negligent homicide. He took the life of a minor after acting erratically and showing he wasn't in a proper state of mind. He needs to own up to his poor decisions and take whatever punishment is given to him, like a man.

 

[spidey07]

According to state law and all the evidence, you call it justifiable homocide is what you call it.