Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[OCNewbie]

In his mind; DeeDee contradicts Zimmerman's account

But he said EYEwitness. DeeDee didn't see a thing.

 

[Geosurface]

I don't see how he could mean Deedee since she is an ear witness at best. I'm not even convinced she's that.

This is a person who offered to lie at least twice in her deposition. A person who said nothing, alerted no one, and refused to speak with police.

But surely he must be referring to someone else since he used the word "eye"

 

[EagleKeeper]

There has been no other witness that has put up statements the contradicts GZ statements.

Remember the poster that is being discussed.

Syntax/intent of words is irrelevant as long as it is used against GZ

 

[spidey07]

If I know every bit of evidence the state has then yes I agree with that.

The only thing different in my thinking now then say 3 months ago, is that I feel I know most of the evidence the state has and can draw a conclusion vs. you who's mind was made up absent all the evidence.

My mind wasn't made up until I learned about the witness placing martin on top reigning down MMA style blows. At that point I knew he should not be charged as that automatically proves self defense.

 

[TerryMathews]

But he said EYEwitness. DeeDee didn't see a thing.

Airdata doesn't understand the difference, nor that the prosecutor will have to prove she was able to hear what she did.

It's implicit of the eyewitnesses since they were there but if you look through the released docs they do record eyewitness positioning for verification. Make sure they could see what they claim to have.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Looks like this case is going to get very interesting.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...discovery-complaints-20121015,0,4408070.story

And there may be legal fights ahead to get other evidence, he wrote. Defense attorneys plan to depose attorneys for Trayvon's family, Benjamin Crump and Natalie Jackson, as well as their public relations consultant, Ryan Julison.

Who knows maybe the state will be have to answer to obstruction of justice charges

Zimmerman defense attorney: State isn't giving us all the evidence

Attorney: State expert testified he could not get to the most important information from Trayvon's cell phone.

In a separate two-page motion filed today, West asked the judge to order Corey's office to surrender photos in their original, digital format from one crime scene witness and from Sanford Police Officer Mike Wagner, who photographed Trayvon and Zimmerman the night of the shooting.

He also asked for the original audio recording Crump made when he interviewed a 16-year-old girl, perhaps the state's most important witness, who said she was on the phone with Trayvon when he and Zimmerman first exchanged words.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Seems like the state is trying to fake out the defense and blind side them at the last moment.

Refusing to turn over evidence or reducing the quality; that should indicate desperation and weakness in their case.

Can not unlock the phone? Come on - with all the technology at their fingertips and/or cooperation of the phone company/manufacturer; what are they afraid of finding?

I would love to be the fly on the wall when the coaching tape is reviewed.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I think the state doesn't want the defense to know how weak their case is against GZ.

 

[corwin]

I think the state doesn't want the defense to know how weak their case is against GZ.

Of course not, they're banking on getting a plea deal only, they know they can't prove jack shit, it's why they over charged to begin with

 

[EagleKeeper]

I think the state doesn't want the defense to know how weak their case is against GZ.

If you hide the weakness, at least it might go to trial.

Otherwise the pre-trial could easily toss the charges on the lack/falsification of evidence.

 

[TerryMathews]

If you hide the weakness, at least it might go to trial.

Otherwise the pre-trial could easily toss the charges on the lack/falsification of evidence.

More importantly, if the persecution has been playing fast and loose with discovery this may get tossed.

I wonder if immunity will attach if that happens? Might be the first case in history where they don't want dismissed under that circumstance.

 

[spidey07]

If dismissed then his action was lawful due to self defense, therefore he would be held immune from prosecution and civil liability.

 

[Fern]

Looks like this case is going to get very interesting.
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If that defense attorney's claims are accurate the prosecutor's office is behaving highly unethically if not criminally, or our legal system is crap.

Fern

 

[spidey07]

If that defense attorney's claims are accurate the prosecutor's office is behaving highly unethically if not criminally, or our legal system is crap.

Fern

Remember what happened to the prosecutor in the duke lacrosse team and tawana brawley. I forsee similar fallout here.

 

[Fern]

If dismissed then his action was lawful due to self defense, therefore he would be held immune from prosecution and civil liability.

You may be right, IDK.

But my concern is that the immunity from civil prosecution requires that he be not guilty by virtue of a successful self-defense claim, not the case being thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct. I.e., Corey knows she can't win so she throws the case, having it discharged with prejudice meaning it can't be tried again, leaving Zimmerman with no statutory relief from civil action.

Fern

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The worst part about this case is that it will create huge distrust within society towards the crumptonite/sharptonite community. It took years for the brawley rape case to die down.


I feel the worst for the "next" trayvon martin, the actual cherub young black boy who is brutally murdered, who will have a tough time being heard and taken seriously after what happened here.

Airdata/dari, emp, and the rest of the crew are just as guilty for knowingly perpetuating the lies and perversion of our justice system.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

 

[TerryMathews]

You may be right, IDK.

But my concern is that the immunity from civil prosecution requires that he be not guilty by virtue of a successful self-defense claim, not the case being thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct. I.e., Corey knows she can't win so she throws the case, having it discharged with prejudice meaning it can't be tried again, leaving Zimmerman with no statutory relief from civil action.

Fern

My thoughts as well.

 

[Tom]

I think the state doesn't want the defense to know how weak their case is against GZ.

Its at least as likely the defense team is creating sympathy for Zimmerman by using the means they have to attack the prosecution and create an image in the public mind of Zimmerman as a victim.

This happens all the time in high profile cases, the mere fact the defense is doing this doesn't mean anything significant has occurred.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Its at least as likely the defense team is creating sympathy for Zimmerman by using the means they have to attack the prosecution and create an image in the public mind of Zimmerman as a victim.

This happens all the time in high profile cases, the mere fact the defense is doing this doesn't mean anything significant has occurred.

It's apparent you didn't read the article. If you actually paid attention to the evidence releases they back up the defense's claims that the prosecution is providing them poor quality evidence that can't be properly reviewed by an expert.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You may be right, IDK.

But my concern is that the immunity from civil prosecution requires that he be not guilty by virtue of a successful self-defense claim, not the case being thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct. I.e., Corey knows she can't win so she throws the case, having it discharged with prejudice meaning it can't be tried again, leaving Zimmerman with no statutory relief from civil action.

Fern

I have a feeling that a judge would ensure that any prosecutorial misconduct would result in a immunity being granted to GZ specially if the defense can show/prove that the evidence doesn't back up the charges against him.

 

[TerryMathews]

I have a feeling that a judge would ensure that any prosecutorial misconduct would result in a immunity being granted to GZ specially if the defense can show/prove that the evidence doesn't back up the charges against him.

The statute has no provision for that.

 

[TerryMathews]

Its at least as likely the defense team is creating sympathy for Zimmerman by using the means they have to attack the prosecution and create an image in the public mind of Zimmerman as a victim.

This happens all the time in high profile cases, the mere fact the defense is doing this doesn't mean anything significant has occurred.

Prosecution case falling apart? Nothing to see here.

Zimmerman said grocery store and meant Target? Hang his murdering ass!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The statute has no provision for that.

I think the defense would have a say in whether the case could proceed despite potential prosecutorial misconduct. Who's to say that any misconduct could be held against the prosecution during the evidenitiary (immunity) trial.

 

[Geosurface]

A year from now or whenever the common wisdom at least among the melanin-deficient, becomes that this case was a trumped up pile of steaming bullshit, those of us who diagnosed it as such from very early on will get no credit for having been perceptive, aware of more evidence, and more able to put the pieces together or give proper weight to evidence based on how reliable it appeared, or how reliable it didn't appear.

No, the explanation of how we reached that conclusion earlier will just be that we're rayciss.

 

[lotus503]

A year from now or whenever the common wisdom at least among the melanin-deficient, becomes that this case was a trumped up pile of steaming bullshit, those of us who diagnosed it as such from very early on will get no credit for having been perceptive, aware of more evidence, and more able to put the pieces together or give proper weight to evidence based on how reliable it appeared, or how reliable it didn't appear.

No, the explanation of how we reached that conclusion earlier will just be that we're rayciss.

Right because this is about you and your due credit. For drawing conclusions absent all the evidence.

Lol