Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't have to back up anything. It's blatantly obvious who your are, and what you're about. You're a racist and gun nut who would rather defend a useless, sociopathic person who is a danger to society over dead kid said sociopath shot because of the color of his skin, and to defend the ability to shoot anyone who frightens you. Which is everyone. It must be pure hell to be so frightened all the time.

All you have is false accusations and pure comedic drivel.

Have nice day, don't forget to take your valium and blood pressure medicine.

 

[OCNewbie]

You wouldn't be defending a sociopath if you weren't glad he was dead.

If you weren't batshit crazy, you wouldn't be making all these absolute assertions about Zimmerman's character (and everyone who doesn't agree with you) as if you're qualified to make them.

 

[nextJin]

Lol @ this thread. You people are hilarious.

 

[Geosurface]

So if I ever decide to beat the shit out of someone for no reason, I'll make sure to carry some Skittles on me. That way, if I get shot in obvious self-defense, and my victim is covered in their blood and wounds, whereas I have no wounds... I'll have legions defending me because I was "armed only with Skittles"

When did people forget that fists can harm, and even kill?

 

[nobodyknows]

Lol @ this thread. You people are hilarious.

Really, what's the point of all the insults. There is a time an place for that, but we really should be by that by now. I have to admit, I do chuckle reading some of the .... shall we say drama queens?

 

[lotus503]

So if I ever decide to beat the shit out of someone for no reason, I'll make sure to carry some Skittles on me. That way, if I get shot in obvious self-defense, and my victim is covered in their blood and wounds, whereas I have no wounds... I'll have legions defending me because I was "armed only with Skittles"

When did people forget that fists can harm, and even kill?

There it is right there, "no reason"
Had Zimmerman followed me as a 17 year old and I asked him why and didn't get an answer, I may have hit him too.

Not that I agree that's the appropriate action but it wasn't for "no reason"

Let the cops do their job, when you have witnessed no crime, good way to avoid confrontation and murder charges.

 

[Geosurface]

There it is right there, "no reason"
Had Zimmerman followed me as a 17 year old and I asked him why and didn't get an answer, I may have hit him too.

So, if he responded with "no, I don't have a problem" or "what're you doing around here?" you'd hit him?

The thing is, you can certainly say those are not as informative of answers as other things he could've said, but if you're taken aback that someone you believe is a criminal and believe is long gone suddenly stepped out of the shadows and confronted you, you might not come up with the ideal words to prevent them from attacking you.

Maybe Trayvon should've given George more than one response before decking him?

Or maybe Trayvon should've realized that this man he'd seen in a nice car, on a phone, was probably a concerned neighbor who didn't recognize him, seeing as how he lived 4 hours from there, and was only visiting... a guest of a guest, in fact... and wasn't the sort of threat that it was imperative to preemptively attack?

I guess Trayvon didn't have good conflict resolution or conversational skills. I personally don't think there is room in our society or our species for people who would attack someone and not show mercy and who couldn't get to the bottom of a misunderstanding with words.

 

[spidey07]

There it is right there, "no reason"
Had Zimmerman followed me as a 17 year old and I asked him why and didn't get an answer, I may have hit him too.

Not that I agree that's the appropriate action but it wasn't for "no reason"

Let the cops do their job, when you have witnessed no crime, good way to avoid confrontation and murder charges.

Tou cannot ground and pound somebody causing them to fear for their life.

You may get dead if you do so. At the very least it's a felony.

 

[lotus503]

So, if he responded with "no, I don't have a problem" or "what're you doing around here?" you'd hit him?

The thing is, you can certainly say those are not as informative of answers as other things he could've said, but if you're taken aback that someone you believe is a criminal and believe is long gone suddenly stepped out of the shadows and confronted you, you might not come up with the ideal words to prevent them from attacking you.

Maybe Trayvon should've given George more than one response before decking him?

Or maybe Trayvon should've realized that this man he'd seen in a nice car, on a phone, was probably a concerned neighbor who didn't recognize him, seeing as how he lived 4 hours from there, and was only visiting... a guest of a guest, in fact... and wasn't the sort of threat that it was imperative to preemptively attack?

I guess Trayvon didn't have good conflict resolution or conversational skills. I personally don't think there is room in our society or our species for people who would attack someone and not show mercy and who couldn't get to the bottom of a misunderstanding with words.

Like I said I don't agree it was an appropriate response but I'm intellectually honest and know as a 17 year old myself who grew up in rough areas, my natural response would have been to label Zimmerman a threat, based on his actions.

Your whole attack not show mercy is grandstanding bullshit, Zimmerman lost a fist fight and by the evidence was punched once.

Question is, did he shoot to save his own life or because he was angry he got beat up.

No solid evidence for either conclusion no matter how much you and spidey want to pretend there is.

 

[JKing106]

If you weren't batshit crazy, you wouldn't be making all these absolute assertions about Zimmerman's character (and everyone who doesn't agree with you) as if you're qualified to make them.

And if you weren't a bat shit crazy authoritarian sheep with shit for brains, everything I've accused Zimmerman of is obvious to anyone with a conscience. It's not my fault you're deficient in that department.

 

[lotus503]

Tou cannot ground and pound somebody causing them to fear for their life.

You may get dead if you do so. At the very least it's a felony.

I have beat the shit out of a lot of people and had my ass kicked my fair share.
Noone was ever shot.

It's cool that you are insecure without a gun, I know a lot of people like that.

I personally would rather get beat up then kill someone.

 

[JKing106]

So if I ever decide to beat the shit out of someone for no reason, I'll make sure to carry some Skittles on me. That way, if I get shot in obvious self-defense, and my victim is covered in their blood and wounds, whereas I have no wounds... I'll have legions defending me because I was "armed only with Skittles"

When did people forget that fists can harm, and even kill?

We all know you can't beat the shit out of anyone. That's why you're here shilling for the NRA.

 

[OCNewbie]

I personally would rather get beat up then kill someone.

That's what GZ did! (poking fun at your misuse of "then" (should be "than")).

 

[OCNewbie]

And if you weren't a bat shit crazy authoritarian sheep with shit for brains, everything I've accused Zimmerman of is obvious to anyone with a conscience. It's not my fault you're deficient in that department.

You exaggerate just about everything GZ does. You've made a giant deal about the incident, in 2005, where GZ got into an altercation with an undercover police officer conducting an underage drinking sting at the University of Central Florida. The police officer instigated the contact with GZ first, and did not tell GZ he was an officer, initially. You don't think it makes ANY difference that GZ didn't know the guy was a cop, and that the cop wasn't in uniform, or otherwise had any outward indications that he was a police officer?

You also call GZ a beater of women, when, at worst, he may have pushed or shoved his girlfriend/wife, at the time, after she reportedly struck him first.

You exaggerate everything to an extreme degree. Please show me a link, anywhere online, by a professional psychologist, or the like, that has labeled GZ a narcissist, a sociopath, or any of the other various extreme mental defects you've attributed GZ as having.

 

[JKing106]

You exaggerate just about everything GZ does. You've made a giant deal about the incident, in 2005, where GZ got into an altercation with an undercover police officer conducting an underage drinking sting at the University of Central Florida. The police officer instigated the contact with GZ first, and did not tell GZ he was an officer, initially. You don't think it makes ANY difference that GZ didn't know the guy was a cop, and that the cop wasn't in uniform, or otherwise had any outward indications that he was a police officer?

You also call GZ a beater of women, when, at worst, he may have pushed or shoved his girlfriend/wife, at the time, after she reportedly struck him first.

You exaggerate everything to an extreme degree. Please show me a link, anywhere online, by a professional psychologist, or the like, that has labeled GZ a narcissist, a sociopath, or any of the other various extreme mental defects you've attributed GZ as having.

Why are you defending someone who killed a teenage boy who was just walking home from a store?

So your excuse for Zimmerman assaulting a police officer is "Well, the officer didn't identify himself, and he started it!"

So shoving women around is OK with you, especially if "She started it!"

Zimmerman IS a sociopath, narcissist, and a coward. He shows no regret or remorse, even if he says he's sorry, it's obvious he isn't. He's a narcissist because of his pathological need to be seen as an authority figure, and blatant disregard for the consequences. And he's a coward for carrying a concealed weapon and picking on what he assumed was an easy target.

Yeah, I can see why you defend him. You don't have conscience, either.

 

[OCNewbie]

Why are you defending someone who killed a teenage boy who was just walking home from a store?

I wouldn't be, if that was the whole story.

 

[lotus503]

That's what GZ did! (poking fun at your misuse of "then" (should be "than")).

Yes, than is the correct word, I'm so glad that's what you took from the post über observant.

 

[JKing106]

I wouldn't be, if that was the whole story.

Sure you would. Anyone with half a brain can see that this shooting didn't have to happen. If a pussy who wanted the world to think he was a tough guy hadn't harassed a kid who didn't do anything to anyone that night, nothing would have happened. So go ahead, say it was Martin's fault that Zimmerman followed him, chased him, tried to detain him so he could show up the police, then killed the kid when the kid fought back. But who cares, right? Pussies have to stick together. They may not be able to shoot "thugs" at will in Florida anymore if this thing goes to trial. Can't have that, can we?

 

[OCNewbie]

So go ahead, say it was Martin's fault that Zimmerman followed him, chased him, tried to detain him so he could show up the police, then killed the kid when the kid fought back.

Why are you convinced GZ tried to "detain" TM?

You lost me with all the "pussy" talk.

 

[OCNewbie]

Yes, than is the correct word, I'm so glad that's what you took from the post über observant.

I have beat the shit out of a lot of people and had my ass kicked my fair share.
Noone was ever shot.

Right, so getting into physical altercations was the norm for you. You have experienced them enough to know that they don't generally end up with someone dead. That doesn't appear to be the case with GZ.

What percentage of those fights started with the other guy sucker punching you? Of those fights, how many times were you both totally alone, with nobody else in the immediate vicinity? How many times did you have no clue who the other person was, and believed them to be potentially a criminal? How many of those fights ended with you not even getting a single punch in on your attacker? How many times did you scream for help for 45+ seconds before the altercation ended?

Why do you feel the fights you got into are equal comparisons to what GZ and TM experienced? They're obviously drastically different scenarios.

 

[lotus503]

Right, so getting into physical altercations was the norm for you. You have experienced them enough to know that they don't generally end up with someone dead. That doesn't appear to be the case with GZ.

What percentage of those fights started with the other guy sucker punching you? Of those fights, how many times were you both totally alone, with nobody else in the immediate vicinity? How many times did you have no clue who the other person was, and believed them to be potentially a criminal? How many of those fights ended with you not even getting a single punch in on your attacker? How many times did you scream for help for 45+ seconds before the altercation ended?

Why do you feel the fights you got into are equal comparisons to what GZ and TM experienced? They're obviously drastically different scenarios.

No proof Zimmerman was the one screaming.

I've been in far more drastic situations than Zimmerman.

Zimmerman was a bouncer, did security I'm sure he has seen his fair share of unpredictable violence, he assaulted an undercover cop on behalf of his buddy.

He had no problem walking up to a grown man unarmed and starting shit. (the cop). I would guess with his gun his bravado would be worse.

That's why when Martin asked him why are you following me he didn't answer. Because he was the one asking the questions that night.

All my opinion of course. What's not my opinion but is factual is Zimmerman is a proven liar on more than one occasion.

 

[lotus503]

Right, so getting into physical altercations was the norm for you. You have experienced them enough to know that they don't generally end up with someone dead. That doesn't appear to be the case with GZ.

What percentage of those fights started with the other guy sucker punching you? Of those fights, how many times were you both totally alone, with nobody else in the immediate vicinity? How many times did you have no clue who the other person was, and believed them to be potentially a criminal? How many of those fights ended with you not even getting a single punch in on your attacker? How many times did you scream for help for 45+ seconds before the altercation ended?

Why do you feel the fights you got into are equal comparisons to what GZ and TM experienced? They're obviously drastically different scenarios.

To elaborate on your specific questions.
I have been sucker punched, mounted and beaten, jumped hit with various objects both alone and with other people around, so in my history I have been in similar, better and worse situations compared to Zimmerman.

Zimmerman claims he was punched, dropped, mounted and beaten.

The fact martins body was 30+ feet from where that occurred lends me to think Zimmerman probably did what I would have done. Got up from the ground chased after that guy and tried to take him out. Zimmerman knowing at this point he outweighed him probably tried to manhandle him. Problem is Martin was better than him at that too.

So yeah I think Zimmerman shot him because he kicked his ass, not because he was scared he was going to kill him.

If that was the case the body would have been at the T.

 

[JKing106]

Why are you convinced GZ tried to "detain" TM?

Zimmerman left the safety of his vehicle, followed Martin, ended up on the ground wrestling with Martin prior to the shooting. You don't have to be an astrophysicist to figure out what happened there.

You lost me with all the "pussy" talk.

Not my fault the truth hurts. Stop sympathizing with pussies.

 

[Geosurface]

"Unarmed child, unarmed child, squawk!"

"Skittles and tea, Skittles and tea!"

"Stayed in his car, stayed in his car!"

"Detain, detain squawk!!"

 

[OCNewbie]

The fact martins body was 30+ feet from where that occurred lends me to think Zimmerman probably did what I would have done. Got up from the ground chased after that guy and tried to take him out. Zimmerman knowing at this point he outweighed him probably tried to manhandle him. Problem is Martin was better than him at that too.

So, TM knocked GZ to the ground, and just slowly moseyed his way back to his house? Or is GZ so lightning fast and athletic, that he could take a hard shot to the nose, get knocked on his ass, but pop back up so quickly, and run so fast, that he could catch a fleeing TM in only ~30 feet? And when this lightning-fast, athletic GZ catches up to TM, the fight instantly goes to the ground again, right along the walkway, without GZ so much as grabbing, tearing, or otherwise distorting any clothing TM was wearing? Is TM THAT great of a fighter, and GZ THAT clumsy, that TM just slipped every last attack GZ made? If GZ had gotten knocked on his ass, and chased after TM, like you've said, what do you think GZ would have tried to do after he caught up with TM, scold him? Yet there was nothing indicating GZ had touched TM. The 30 feet distance, alone, is nowhere near enough to support what you're asserting. At what point does GZ get the 2 separate lacerations on the back of his head? Two lacerations that didn't occur with the same blow, as they are on different planes of his head. They could not have come from a sing blow, on a flat concrete sidewalk. And what about all the abrasions near the wounds? Looks sorta like what a head being rubbed against concrete would look like.

The dark stuff is dried blood, but the lighter red stuff, like the marks snaking up from the wound on the right, that's skin irritation, probably from abrasions from the sidewalk.

So yeah I think Zimmerman shot him because he kicked his ass, not because he was scared he was going to kill him.

So, pick one... who was screaming, and why? If it was TM, why was he screaming? He was obviously getting the upper hand in the fight, so why scream for 45+ seconds? If those ~45 seconds of screaming were TM, and it was because they were struggling for the gun, would you agree that it would be a pretty frantic, chaotic struggle, as if TM was going for GZ's gun, it's likely TM believed GZ would use it against him if GZ won control of it. So, 45 seconds of chaotic hand-grabbing for the gun, by both parties, yet TM only has a single abrasion on one of his fingers, and GZ, who apparently won the struggle for the gun, if you believe that's what happened, didn't have a single scratch on his hands. That just doesn't compute or make any sense.

If that was the case the body would have been at the T.

That obviously wasn't the case. I'd really be interested to see exactly where "John" saw TM on top of GZ, and how far away the body ended up from that point. In other words, I'm wondering how far TM may have moved himself, after he was shot, on top of GZ, before he collapsed.