Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Originally Posted by OCNewbie
And why is it that this defendant can afford such an attorney? It's a miscarriage of justice for GZ to have even been charged with a crime (especially 2nd degree murder), and because of that, people are doing what they can, by providing monetary support, to improve the odds that this travesty falls short of an innocent man being wrongfully convicted based on emotional, factually-naive public outcry.

There was nothing "lucky" about this ruling. The appeals court didn't roll any dice; they made a ruling based on law and found Lester biased, and he was removed because of their findings.

It's a miscarriage of justice that he was allowed to trick so many idiots into paying for his credit cards and his wife's student loans and then to be caught lying about the money in the first place in order to get a lesser bond.

 

[OCNewbie]

Read what I wrote and slowly. To get lucky with a judge(get a new judge that is beneficial to him after purportrating a fraud on the court).

I read it slowly, and I still couldn't find the "get a new judge that is beneficial to him after purportrating a fraud on the court" part that you felt was necessary to include in this post. If you communicate clearly/effectively, others won't have to "read slowly" or have to try to decipher what you're actually trying to say.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Have you read this thread. This thread is a monument of the white victim mentality. You guys complain on a daily basis that the media, the courts, the DA, the judge, and society (PC) is out to do harm to you.

It's actually quite sad.

Pot calling the kettle black - blaming everything on color

 

[OCNewbie]

It's a miscarriage of justice that he was allowed to trick so many idiots into paying for his credit cards and his wife's student loans and then to be caught lying about the money in the first place in order to get a lesser bond.

Nobody was tricked. Those who donated knew his situation: He's unemployable because of the attention this case has (wrongfully) put on him, therefore he is incapable of earning an income, therefore how are his bills going to get paid? The donations were to support his defense, and the situation he unfairly finds himself in.

 

[OCNewbie]

Have you read this thread. This thread is a monument of the white victim mentality. You guys complain on a daily basis that the media, the courts, the DA, the judge, and society (PC) is out to do harm to you.

It's actually quite sad.

The only sad thing is you actually appear to believe all this BS. You are your own worst enemy.

 

[xj0hnx]

Evidence or supposition?

Hahaha, asking for evidence from that shitbag? Come one now, you know he's not going to back up anything he says.

 

[classy]

I'm still waiting for someone to quote the statute or section of the self-defense law which specifies that you cannot defend yourself if the beating you got isn't as bad as other beatings which have happened in MMA. Or to other people at other times. Or just doesn't look that bad to casual internet observers.

There is a difference between a beating and losing a fight. Everything leading up to the confrontation shows GZ did nothing to try and avoid a fight. In fact he did everything to try and have a confrontation. Again I point out there is no case law that I know off that supports one person initiating a confrontation, then using deadly force. Do we know who threw the first punch, nope. But we do know the movements and actions of both people prior.

As spidey has point out correctly, that a person even in the midst of committing a crime can use deadly force to protect themselves. But I would interpret that to be the same as a police officer using unecessary force. We'll have to see what a judge or jury says. But I think the most critical point overlooked, there is no evidence that Trayvon Martin had done anything to warrant being scrutinized by GZ. And I point out again, GZ's actions would put a reasonable person in fear. Maybe not in fear of their life, but definately in fear.

 

[TerryMathews]

It doesn't matter if it was. Did you read the DAMN ruling. They couldn't question it. It's not the law. Read it.

I did read the DAMN ruling. What would you argue beyond whether the incidents cited by MOM occurred as stated?

Do you understand the penalties that would be imposed on an officer of the court for misrepresenting facts in a filling?

So again I submit to you they took the events of the filing at face valve based on MOMs credentials and the overall way our system works.

What did you want them to question?

 

[JKing106]

Evidence or supposition?

Again, common fucking sense. You should try it, instead of being proud of being told what to think and say.

 

[JKing106]

Hahaha, asking for evidence from that shitbag? Come one now, you know he's not going to back up anything he says.

Hur hur, Limbaugh tells me all I need to know! Lurl!

 

[TerryMathews]

There is a difference between a beating and losing a fight. Everything leading up to the confrontation shows GZ did nothing to try and avoid a fight. In fact he did everything to try and have a confrontation. Again I point out there is no case law that I know off that supports one person initiating a confrontation, then using deadly force. Do we know who threw the first punch, nope. But we do know the movements and actions of both people prior.

As spidey has point out correctly, that a person even in the midst of committing a crime can use deadly force to protect themselves. But I would interpret that to be the same as a police officer using unecessary force. We'll have to see what a judge or jury says. But I think the most critical point overlooked, there is no evidence that Trayvon Martin had done anything to warrant being scrutinized by GZ. And I point out again, GZ's actions would put a person in fear. Maybe not in fear of their life, but definately in fear.

It is possible both had a legitimate right to self defense that night. They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[OCNewbie]

Again I point out there is no case law that I know off that supports one person initiating a confrontation, then using deadly force.

And what weight does your knowledge of case law hold on anything? Is this a subject you've studied for years? Is this your profession? Did you major in criminal case law, or something similar? In other words: SO WHAT!

 

[JKing106]

Nobody was tricked. Those who donated knew his situation: He's unemployable because of the attention this case has (wrongfully) put on him, therefore he is incapable of earning an income, therefore how are his bills going to get paid? The donations were to support his defense, and the situation he unfairly finds himself in.

He can stop being a deadbeat and get a fucking job. Isn't that what all upright, loyal Republicans do? Maybe Hannity can give him a job.

 

[TerryMathews]

The analysis in this thread is depressing. Either most of your are liars or are just stupid. Either way, it doesn't bode well for our society.

Lester initally granted GZ a 150,000 bail and allowed him to leave the state on a charge of murder 2. That was very lenient. He was not biased becasue he was trying to be PC. He was upset becasue GZ allowed his wife to lie to him and perpetuate a fraud on the court.

For real people. Get over it. If you are white you are priveleged more so than other races in our country. Your crying is getting ridiculous. If you hate your lives or a black person has taken your job, blame you lack of drive or intelligence.

And that right there is why Lester was removed.

 

[emperus]

I read it slowly, and I still couldn't find the "get a new judge that is beneficial to him after purportrating a fraud on the court" part that you felt was necessary to include in this post. If you communicate clearly/effectively, others won't have to "read slowly" or have to try to decipher what you're actually trying to say.

OC, just stop responding to my threads. Just don't have the patience for you right now. I don't write so illiterates can understand me.

 

[JKing106]

And that right there is why Lester was removed.

I agree. He discovered Zimmerman and his wife were both manipulative, deceptive liars, and treated them appropriately. Can't have that, can we?

 

[OCNewbie]

OC, just stop responding to my threads. Just don't have the patience for you right now. I don't write so illiterates can understand me.

Always the other guy's fault... emp is perfection incarnate. emp doesn't make errors; emp points out the errors others make.

Edit: It's called a "post" btw, this entire thing we're "posting" in is a thread.

I love the irony in the way you put your foot in your mouth every time you try to correct me.

 

[OCNewbie]

I agree. He discovered Zimmerman and his wife were both manipulative, deceptive liars, and treated them appropriately. Can't have that, can we?

Not when it conflicts with the ability for a defendant to get a fair trial.

 

[emperus]

I did read the DAMN ruling. What would you argue beyond whether the incidents cited by MOM occurred as stated?

Do you understand the penalties that would be imposed on an officer of the court for misrepresenting facts in a filling?

So again I submit to you they took the events of the filing at face valve based on MOMs credentials and the overall way our system works.

What did you want them to question?

Again. the law requires them to not even think about whether they are facts or not. This isn't hard. He coud be lying and it wouldn't matter. Read what they wrote. It's not about how the system works but how the law to disqualify a judge was written.

Your wrong. Get over it and move on.

 

[emperus]

Always the other guy's fault... emp is perfection incarnate. emp doesn't make errors; emp points out the errors others make.

Edit: It's called a "post" btw, this entire thing we're "posting" in is a thread.

No, you're just an idiot and I get tired of the back and forth with you. Your posts aren't insightful and or thought provoking. You don't add anything to my understanding of anything. So writing to you is a waste of my life. You are always talking about semantics.. case in point above. Like that makes you smarter.

 

[TerryMathews]

Again. the law requires them to not even think about whether they are facts or not. This isn't hard. He coud be lying and it wouldn't matter. Read what they wrote. It's not about how the system works but how the law to disqualify a judge was written.

Your wrong. Get over it and move on.

And I've explained to you why the veracity is not questioned. Just like the veracity of Coreys probable cause affidavit was not questioned.

You would agree that in the interest of fairness, both should be subjected to the same scrutiny?

 

[TerryMathews]

I agree. He discovered Zimmerman and his wife were both manipulative, deceptive liars, and treated them appropriately. Can't have that, can we?

He might have treated them appropriately but he showed clear bias in his comments.

And no, we can't have that. Just like we couldn't have a judge say "Eh, he probably stole it anyway." Just because a defendant is black.

Impartial. Google it.

 

[OCNewbie]

No, you're just an idiot and I get tired of the back and forth with you.

Yet you continually engage me. Let's see if you can resist replying to this one.

Your posts aren't insightful and or thought provoking.

Neither are yours.

You don't add anything to my understanding of anything.

It's not my fault you're closed minded.

So writing to you is a waste of my life. You are always talking about semantics.. case in point above. Like that makes you smarter.

Says the guy who carried on an extended argument, with multiple posters, about Super Target not having a "full-sized" grocery store, or insists GZ's phrasing of "a little bit younger than I am" is a lie, among many other examples found throughout in this thread.

King Hypocrite you are.

 

[nobodyknows]

There is a difference between a beating and losing a fight.

There is also a difference between winning a fight and stomping someone unconscious.

One thing that hasn't been discussed to death is why GZ only fired one shot. Surely if he was the racist ahole the TM crowd makes him out to be he certainly would have fired a few more shoots? Maybe even emptied his gun? How could he be sure he was dead and not just wounded... unless of course his only intention was to defend himself.

The hard evidence is all in GZ's favor.

 

[JKing106]

Not when it conflicts with the ability for a defendant to get a fair trial.

How was he stopping the defendant from getting a fair trail? His guilt or innocence will be determined by a jury. The reason Lester was removed is that when Zimmerman is found guilty, as his defense knows he will, that judge wouldn't throw the book at him.