Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Londo_Jowo]

You're making yourself look silly to defend someone who is going to be tried for murder 2.

Correction: someone who may be tried for 2nd degree murder.

 

[emperus]

Correction: someone who may be tried for 2nd degree murder.

Nice litttle correction. I think he will be tried. His attorney isn't even sure he will ask for a stand your ground hearing. Read up on the prosecuter. She is tough. A republican to boot.

Here is a great article on another case she tried.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/marissa-alexander-florida-stand-your-ground_n_1472647.html

 

[alkemyst]

You're idiotcy knows no bounds. There have been police, FBI agents, activists and the MEDIA around for quite some time. Only an idiot would try to commit a robbery now.

Geez. C'mon it's early but try a little harder.

You are guessing here. You think they are walking the neighborhood still?

 

[corwin]

Nice litttle correction. I think he will be tried. His attorney isn't even sure he will ask for a stand your ground hearing. Read up on the prosecuter. She is tough. A republican to boot.

Here is a great article on another case she tried.

Yeah don't see anything in the article that she tried that case...anyway she should have actually shot him so that SYG would have applied, it's been said a hundred times already, if you need to use a gun to defend yourself you don't fire warning shots

EDIT: Found another article that said it was her...

 

[spidey07]

Nice litttle correction. I think he will be tried. His attorney isn't even sure he will ask for a stand your ground hearing. Read up on the prosecuter. She is tough. A republican to boot.

Here is a great article on another case she tried.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/marissa-alexander-florida-stand-your-ground_n_1472647.html

AFAIK, O'Mara hasn't even had access to the evidence yet.

 

[emperus]

Yeah don't see anything in the article that she tried that case...anyway she should have actually shot him so that SYG would have applied, it's been said a hundred times already, if you need to use a gun to defend yourself you don't fire warning shots

EDIT: Found another article that said it was her...

She lost the SYG hearing. It has nothing to do with shooting or not shooting him.

"A judge rejected Alexander’s Stand Your Ground defense, saying that she could have escaped her attacker "through the front or back door," court records say."

If she would have shot him she woud be in jail for 25 years instead of 20.

 

[emperus]

You are guessing here. You think they are walking the neighborhood still?

Just like you were. But my guesses don't require ridiculous leaps and bounds and silly assumptions.

IF you were a robber, would you go rob from that neighborhood right now after all this publicity. Use your mind. A mind is a terribe to waste.

 

[momeNt]

Still a coincidence no more burglaries are happening in Martin's neighborhood?

I think we got our man!

Zimmerman can't afford to take any chances at this moment. My bet is when he gets off on these charges, you will see the burglaries rise again. Give it time.

 

[classy]

Nice litttle correction. I think he will be tried. His attorney isn't even sure he will ask for a stand your ground hearing. Read up on the prosecuter. She is tough. A republican to boot.

Here is a great article on another case she tried.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/marissa-alexander-florida-stand-your-ground_n_1472647.html

She has gotten convictions and charges that others said she wouldn't get. That case is a little different in that she could have left many many times. The Zimmerman case is different because this was a one time encounter. Despite a lot rumblings that she over reached, her track record says she can make things stick.

AFAIK, O'Mara hasn't even had access to the evidence yet.

That is correct, he hasn't.

 

[OCNewbie]

Here's a scenario that would qualify as a "lie" according to emperus' standards:

"Damn, look at the fine girl over there... she's got to be at least a 9 or a 9.5"

"Actually... when I got a closer look at the girl, she's only about a 7"

"Why did you lie earlier?"

Eagle Keeper explained it nicely earlier:

Late teens - check
younger than him - check
Both valid statements

About - subjective
Little bit - subjective
both subjective and not contradictory to your opposing statement

 

[emperus]

AFAIK, O'Mara hasn't even had access to the evidence yet.

Agreed. But he does have his client. But it is an interesting thing for him to say. No?

 

[lotus503]

Still a coincidence no more burglaries are happening in Martin's neighborhood?

I think we got our man!

Statements like this are why you are lumped in with spidey.

 

[corwin]

She lost the SYG hearing. It has nothing to do with shooting or not shooting him.

"A judge rejected Alexander’s Stand Your Ground defense, saying that she could have escaped her attacker "through the front or back door," court records say."

If she would have shot him she woud be in jail for 25 years instead of 20.

SYG is for self defense, she didn't shoot him she wasn't in fear of her life enough to warrant firing a gun...you need to learn some of the basic principles of self defense and the law. If you are in fear of great bodily injury or death you shoot/stab/bludgeon etc the person causing that fear, you don't fire warning shots else you weren't in imminent danger. Had she shot and killed him she would have been fine.

 

[spidey07]

Agreed. But he does have his client. But it is an interesting thing for him to say. No?

Attorneys have to be very careful with their words when discussing a case.

 

[emperus]

SYG is for self defense, she didn't shoot him she wasn't in fear of her life enough to warrant firing a gun...you need to learn some of the basic principles of self defense and the law. If you are in fear of great bodily injury or death you shoot/stab/bludgeon etc the person causing that fear, you don't fire warning shots else you weren't in imminent danger. Had she shot and killed him she would have been fine.

Read THe freaking article. THe judges words are there. You want to supercede him now as well? He said why he didn't buy her case. She could have escaped. My Gosh.

 

[corwin]

Statements like this are why you are lumped in with spidey.

Too many of us get lumped in with him...

 

[corwin]

Read THe freaking article. THe judges words are there. You want to supercede him now as well? He said why he didn't buy her case. She could have escaped. My Gosh.

Use your head for once, the situation was entirely different, she didn't shoot him, SYG is a self defense claim not a firing a gun in the air thing...get a grip man and look at it in perspective. If she had shot him and claimed she was in fear of her life different laws apply, like SYG...

 

[Ynog]

Nice litttle correction. I think he will be tried. His attorney isn't even sure he will ask for a stand your ground hearing. Read up on the prosecuter. She is tough. A republican to boot.

Here is a great article on another case she tried.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/marissa-alexander-florida-stand-your-ground_n_1472647.html

Although she's not the prosecuter for this case, it was Corey's decision to proceed with charges.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...-year-old-charged-first-degree-murder-brother

In addition, the case of Marissa Alexander is a bit different. Gray testifying at the Stand Your Ground hearing that he "begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun." Since the court believed him, that basically takes away the "Use of force in defense of person". Now if it can be proven that Gray committed perjury there, I'd imagine Alexander could get an appeal. However it a he said/she said with Gray being the perceived victim in this instance.

Ironically if Alexander had shot and killed him, given Gray's past behavior, she'd likely have had a different result.

 

[classy]

The age is a subjective and not fact. As previously stated this was brought up many moons ago and not challenged by anyone here. Feel free to dig it up and then challenge the logic.

Late teens - check
younger than him - check
Both valid statements

About - subjective
Little bit - subjective
both subjective and not contradictory to your opposing statement

LOL
There is a huge difference in describing someone who is of teenage years then saying you thought they were near 25+ years old. Zimmerman is 28. That may be subjective, but clearly this would be seen as being misleading.

 

[emperus]

Here's a scenario that would qualify as a "lie" according to emperus' standards:

"Damn, look at the fine girl over there... she's got to be at least a 9 or a 9.5"

"Actually... when I got a closer look at the girl, she's only about a 7"

"Why did you lie earlier?"

Eagle Keeper explained it nicely earlier:

Cmon man? How old are you? That's not what he said. TM looks young. If u get closer to him you will be closer to telling his age. Not further away. Esp. when u correclt identify his age the first time. Remember he said late teens TM was 17. Agian diagree with this.


In his late teens means 17teen, 18teen, 19teen. That is the set of his first statement.
A little bit younger than I am. Let's give that a 4 year window to be nice to Zimm. Zimm is 28 so he could be 27, 26, 25,24. That is the set of Zimm's second statement.

Now where do those sets intersect? Unless there is some new math I'm not aware of. THey don't. So he was lying. Btw, stop looking stupid.

 

[corwin]

Ironically if Alexander had shot and killed him, given Gray's past behavior, she'd likely have had a different result.

That's pretty much it right there...you fear for your life you stop the threat, you don't hold someone at gun point and you don't fire warning shots, you stop the threat period.

 

[Ynog]

Read THe freaking article. THe judges words are there. You want to supercede him now as well? He said why he didn't buy her case. She could have escaped. My Gosh.

The fact she could have escaped is less the sticking point. Gray's testimony he was "begging for his life" that meant she was no longer in danger of his imminent use of unlawful force. Whether or not that is true, the judge believed it. Without imminent use of unlawful force, Stand Your Ground has no legs

 

[emperus]

Use your head for once, the situation was entirely different, she didn't shoot him, SYG is a self defense claim not a firing a gun in the air thing...get a grip man and look at it in perspective. If she had shot him and claimed she was in fear of her life different laws apply, like SYG...

THis is what I'm talking about with you people. Reality doesn't mattter to you. THe judge DECIDED the case. WE have his words. Open, close. Let us look at what he said. What else are you arguing. You think the judge made a mistake? You don't believe his words? WHy are we even arguing this? Myy gosh.

 

[spidey07]

That's pretty much it right there...you fear for your life you stop the threat, you don't hold someone at gun point and you don't fire warning shots, you stop the threat period.

It's also why you don't "just hold them at gun point and call the cops". Why didn't zimmerman just hold him at gun point or fire a warning shot or just shoot him in the leg?

 

[xj0hnx]

You're making yourself look silly to defend someone who is going to be tried for murder 2.

In his late teens means 17teen, 18teen, 19teen. That is the set of his first statement.
A little bit younger than I am. Let's give that a 4 year window to be nice to Zimm. Zimm is 28 so he could be 27, 26, 25,24. That is the set of Zimm's second statement.

Now where do those sets intersect? Unless there is some new math I'm not aware of. THey don't. So he was lying. Btw, stop looking stupid.

EDIT: Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it proved his guilt. I said it impugned his credibility. And at the end of the day, his credibility(as in HIS verion of events) is what is on trial.

Either you are incredibly stupid, or incredibly desperate ...I'll let you choose which one.