Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[SpatiallyAware]

Actually I've always wondered if this was the case from the beginning as it wouldn't take as much effort to get the gun out and shoot.

A side shot would also explain to those who believe GZ should have been covered in TM's blood why it wasn't the case.

If someone is on top of you, with your head in their hands, repeatedly banging your head against the concrete.... I would imagine you'd barely be able to get the gun out, and it's likely the shot would be on their side and a little to the front.

 

[Dari]

You're almost as funny as a777pilot Thanks for the laugh even though I know you're trying to make a point

I'm not trying to be funny. I actually think you are a racist. Zimmerman wouldn't be welcomed but I'm sure he would be given an honorary reward for murdering a black man. I visit Stormfront often and I swear the people there bust a nut everytime they read about the death of black man. They call it "make due". I'm sure there are a few here as well.

 

[soundforbjt]

Evidence shows that zimmerman did not pursue trayvon when told not to. He began banging on doors to notify neighbors that a potential thug was running behind their houses and hiding.

If anything, I would say the closest thing to 'hunting' would be the 3-4 minute period where trayvon was hiding, stalking his prey, waiting until he was most vulnerable before rushing and jumping him with a sucker punch.

Z has never said he was knocking on any doors. His father said he continued to walk in the direction he was going after the dispatcher told him to "not do that". More speculation and no facts.

 

[chucky2]

I really don't get this logic:

And my original point that you missed is that no assault would have occurred had he remained in his vehicle.

He doesn't need to remain in his vehicle. This is America, he's free to get out of his vehicle anytime he wants (as long as doing so is safe for other drivers and pedestrians, which in this case, it was). He's free to go ask someone what they're doing there. The other person is free to tell him to F the F off. That's how a free country works.

Not to mention the fact that as a NW member, you are advised not to carry a weapon. Mr. Zimmerman seems to be using his own "guidelines" when carrying out his NW duties.

If you're out in an area that has high crime and/or frequent burglaries, and are allowed to carry, then it's d@mn sure prudent to do so. F what NW 'advises'. You getting assaulted and/or seriously injured and/or dead would be the result of their 'advice'. Their advice, simply, sucks. Good for Mr. Z. following common sense logic rather than some communities 'guidelines'.

Bottom line; Mr. Zimmerman used extremely poor judgment and someone died because of it. He needs to held accountable.

alzan

Bottom line: Mr. Z didn't use any poor judgement, he used - plainly - judgement that is legal and/or encouraged in the state of FL/the US. Don't like the outcome in this case? No problem! Just get thug wannabes to stop being thug wannabes, and you'll have an instant improvement in this case. Kid wanted to thug...well, he got to experience what happens to thugs. I'd say the law worked perfectly well here. Maybe it'll influence the next thug wannabe to not be a thug and instead be responsible and show respect...ironically exactly those whining about Z wanted him to do.

Chuck

 

[Geosurface]

Dari I think it's safe to say that you are significantly more fixated on the races of the parties involved in this story than just about anyone else posting currently.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

Keep the racist nonsense out of here, we have enough of it already.

it's not racist to state the facts. people like you who scream racism whenever someone mentions a black person are ridiculous.

 

[corwin]

I'm not trying to be funny. I actually think you are a racist. Zimmerman wouldn't be welcomed but I'm sure he would be given an honorary reward for murdering a black man. I visit Stormfront often and I swear the people there bust a nut everytime they read about the death of black man. They call it "make due". I'm sure there are a few here as well.

There you go with more funnies How do you come up with this stuff:biggrin:

Why the hell would you visit some shit hole that talks like that? I don't give anyone who does the time of day and certainly wouldn't visit any place like that of my own accord...unless this has something to do with your super secret ultra crafty previous job:ninja:

 

[cliftonite]

I really don't get this logic:



He doesn't need to remain in his vehicle. This is America, he's free to get out of his vehicle anytime he wants (as long as doing so is safe for other drivers and pedestrians, which in this case, it was). He's free to go ask someone what they're doing there. The other person is free to tell him to F the F off. That's how a free country works.



If you're out in an area that has high crime and/or frequent burglaries, and are allowed to carry, then it's d@mn sure prudent to do so. F what NW 'advises'. You getting assaulted and/or seriously injured and/or dead would be the result of their 'advice'. Their advice, simply, sucks. Good for Mr. Z. following common sense logic rather than some communities 'guidelines'.



Bottom line: Mr. Z didn't use any poor judgement, he used - plainly - judgement that is legal and/or encouraged in the state of FL/the US. Don't like the outcome in this case? No problem! Just get thug wannabes to stop being thug wannabes, and you'll have an instant improvement in this case. Kid wanted to thug...well, he got to experience what happens to thugs. I'd say the law worked perfectly well here. Maybe it'll influence the next thug wannabe to not be a thug and instead be the responsible and show respect...ironically exactly those whining about Z wanted him to do.

Chuck

Going to store to buy skittles is being a thug now?

 

[Tommy2000GT]

Going to store to buy skittles is being a thug now?

no but beating on someone who never touched you in the first place is.

 

[lotus503]

it's not racist to state the facts. people like you who scream racism whenever someone mentions a black person are ridiculous.

Thats the issue.

"Most black people would fight anyone who look at them the wrong way."

Thats not fact thats your racist speculation.

 

[MegaVA]

This might be a totally different case if zimmerman got out of his car, chased trayvon, held onto trayvon, then shot trayvon.



The extremely important key fact here, is that trayvon GOT AWAY. There were no heads on the sidewalk, no bullets flying, the situation was DONE.




He then had the option to call 911... to run home.... or to delve out street justice.That is the choice that ended his life that night, and that is the extremely poor judgement call that resulted in trayvon's death.

Interesting. So it is key that he got away and not that he apparently thought or felt like he had to?

 

[chucky2]

Going to store to buy skittles is being a thug now?

Not at all. Stealing, talking like a thug, acting like a thug, and then assaulting someone is. Your problem is now what?

 

[CitizenKain]

K, how?

If he broke not a single law that night, as it increasingly appears is the case... but perhaps used poor judgement multiple times, what is the appropriate punishment for that in your mind?

I'd say maybe a sufficient, perhaps even more than sufficient punishment might be having the entire country hate you, losing your job, having to quit your school, walk away from your community, fear for your life, strained marriage, strained friendships, immense guilt, sadness, depression, isolation, etc etc etc

Awww, the poor little guy. Its a shame how you can kill someone in this country and be made the bad guy. Maybe he can take solace in knowing that people like you are writing positive and uplifting fanfiction of what happened.

Its been a fun insight into the minds of the Zimmerman Fan Club how the guy with the violent past isn't the guy who started the argument, but instead the teenager without one that did.

 

[BUTCH1]

Extremely poor judgement is not a crime in itself, however it is accounted for in manslaughter.

This isnt murder by any means, and he just may walk beacuse they aimed too high with the charge of Murder 2.

IMO that was/is a maneuver to get him to cop to a manslaughter charge IF it were to go to trial, Z would have to take the stand for his defense to be credible and although one cannot be forced to incriminate oneself the 911 descriptions of "assholes" and "F-ing punks" could convince a juror his anger or intent that night his lawyer would be wise to plea bargain if it isn't tossed under the SYG pre-trial..

 

[corwin]

Thats the issue.

"Most black people would fight anyone who look at them the wrong way."

Thats not fact thats your racist speculation.

For once the term is being used correctly in this thread...well maybe once before but only in regards to a sepcific individual

 

[Tommy2000GT]

Thats the issue.

"Most black people would fight anyone who look at them the wrong way."

Thats not fact thats your racist speculation.

It is a fact. Have you been around the average black person? Even the black females will start screaming at you if you look at them the wrong way.

 

[soundforbjt]

it's not racist to state the facts. people like you who scream racism whenever someone mentions a black person are ridiculous.

You know for a fact that TM was the aggressor? Get on a plane to FL, Z needs you to testify.

 

[Dari]

Dari I think it's safe to say that you are significantly more fixated on the races of the parties involved in this story than just about anyone else posting currently.

Are you married? When you first met your wife, what did you see? Her thoughts? Her emotions? No, you saw her face/body. Same with everyone everywhere that meet someone. They notice their body. Zimmerman was no different. He saw a big black man and, to him, that was a threat. That's how it started and how it ended. To him, he did not kill an innocent teenager. To Zimmerman, he removed a threat to society. I'm sure many here feel the same way. You can try to rationalize it anyway you like but it is rare for people to meet each other on the level. Instead, they have their prejudices and let that determine how they will judge a person, until they get to know them well, that is.

 

[corwin]

You know for a fact that TM was the aggressor? Get on a plane to FL, Z needs you to testify.

Should he get a seat next to you?

:biggrin:

j/k

 

[OCGuy]

Awww, the poor little guy. Its a shame how you can kill someone in this country and be made the bad guy. Maybe he can take solace in knowing that people like you are writing positive and uplifting fanfiction of what happened.

Killing someone is not necessarily a crime. Argue facts or go back to playing WoW.

 

[lotus503]

It is a fact. Have you been around the average black person? Even the black females will start screaming at you if you look at them the wrong way.

Its not fact, I have been around a lot of black people and havent had any issues.

By contrast you make some of the bigots on this thread seem pretty mild, compared to your outright racist staements.

 

[soundforbjt]

Not at all. Stealing, talking like a thug, acting like a thug, and then assaulting someone is. Your problem is now what?

You've got proof of these speculations of course, can't wait to see them.

Links?

 

[Dari]

There you go with more funnies How do you come up with this stuff:biggrin:

Why the hell would you visit some shit hole that talks like that? I don't give anyone who does the time of day and certainly wouldn't visit any place like that of my own accord...unless this has something to do with your super secret ultra crafty previous job:ninja:

I like reading people's opinion, from various sources. I read a lot more than I post. And I have no problem with reading the opinion of those who violently disagree with me. I've been on many pro-Al Qaeda websites as well. I don't get emotionally attached because, let's face it, I'm a cold person. This allows me to filter out my own thoughts and try to understand the thought process of others.

 

[xj0hnx]

No, there was hunting. Since Zimmerman never misses a meal, he was on a food run when the black teenager caught his attention. Like with all people with a police complex, the only thing that came to his mind was Duck Hunt. Zimmerman proceeded to call the cops to let them know he was on the hunt of a big bad black man. He was told to back off but decided to continue the hunt. When he came face to face with the teenager, Zimmerman doubled down on his hunt by leveraging his fear of this black suspect. An altercation ensued and Zimmerman, fearing for his life, murdered the teenager. End of story.

Your entire post is a lie, the same lies that keeps getting repeated. No matter how many times you say it, it isn't going to become true. He was not "on the hunt of a big bad black man", they did not "tell him to back off", he was on his way back to his car when he was approached by TM, there was no "fear to be leveraged" because he isn't afraid of "black men".

 

[Geosurface]

You've got proof of these speculations of course, can't wait to see them.

Links?