Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[alkemyst]

So you're conceding that "thousands of dollars" is your complete speculation, based on secondhand descriptions of a report you've never seen, which does not describe the jewelry in sufficient detail to come close to assigning it a value, yet you continue to repeat "thousands of dollars" as though it's unimpeachably true? I suggest you try taking a bag of jewelry of unknown quality and provenance into a jeweler or metals dealer and see how you fare.

I don't think the value of the jewelry is of great significance, but you chose to, based on nothing in particular, describe it as "thousands of dollars worth of jewelry" because you felt it better supported your characterization of Mr. Martin as "a thug by any definition."

Really, you should be ashamed of yourself. For you, George Zimmerman is innocent and can't be proven guilty, and Trayvon Martin is guilty and can't be proven innocent (despite the paucity of evidence against him and the fact that he is not charged with a crime). I don't know what else to say to someone who is so shameless about being morally bankrupt and/or willfully disingenuous. I don't think you're stupid, and the alternative explanations reflect even more poorly on you.

I tend to think there is not sufficient evidence to prove George Zimmerman guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but that conclusion has nothing to do with character assassination of Trayvon Martin, nor with baseless speculation about the facts which might or might not make him "a thug by any definition." I don't need to make things up to reach that conclusion.

With gold around $1500 lately and having 10 pieces of it, thousands isn't too far fetched.

Some white dudes (two brothers 28 and 33 years old) killed a 61 year old black security guard in order to steal a brass backflow off valve (so sad) and sold his necklace to a pawn shop here in my neighborhood for $435. Dude had 5 kids...the back flow device is worth about $20. In the last 'stash' they cashed in it amounted to $300.

A dude died getting beaten by a shovel over $20 split between two people.

 

[lotus503]

With gold around $1500 lately and having 10 pieces of it, thousands isn't too far fetched.

Some white dudes (two brothers 28 and 33 years old) killed a 61 year old black security guard in order to steal a brass backflow off valve (so sad) and sold his necklace to a pawn shop here in my neighborhood for $435. Dude had 5 kids...the back flow device is worth about $20. In the last 'stash' they cashed in it amounted to $300.

A dude died getting beaten by a shovel over $20 split between two people.

Well given he has yet to provide a link that states real jewelry with diamonds, that's speculation gold played looks real and like gold. By stating real jewelry at most one can conclude is it wasn't costume.

Given the fact I was for several years working in a family owned chain of three jewelry stores, I can tell you without doubt the average school security or administration wouldn't know gold plated from gold or be able to certify real diamonds without at least a 10x.

So he is drawing conclusions based on zero evidence.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Based on the 7-11 video alone I seriously doubt the coroner got it right, he is at LEAST 6', probably 6'1"-2". I'm 6'2" and the counter comes to about the same place on me. However, if the coroner did get the height wrong, I wonder what else he got wrong, maybe the damage to the knuckles?

Right! The man with the tape measure is owned by you estimating heights in a surveiliance video.

 

[lotus503]

Right! The man with the tape measure is owned by you estimating heights in a surveiliance video.

Yeah I just don't get debating his height with the ME. It just demonstrates unwillingness to give in to evidence that doesn't agree with their position.

Birther mentality.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yeah I just don't get debating his height with the ME. It just demonstrates unwillingness to give in to evidence that doesn't agree with their position.

Birther mentality.

No moron, it's questioning the one single person that claims he is under 6', when his family, video, and pictures clearly show he is not.

Desperate fool mentality.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Oh yea, the chick who's story changes everytime she tells it?

Long as she tells it right under oath it doesn't matter.

 

[lotus503]

No moron, it's questioning the one single person that claims he is under 6', when his family, video, and pictures clearly show he is not.

Desperate fool mentality.

Clearly except for the evidence of the ME who states your assumption is wrong.

Lol

 

[WHAMPOM]

No moron, it's questioning the one single person that claims he is under 6', when his family, video, and pictures clearly show he is not.

Desperate fool mentality.

Man with tape measure trumps video.

 

[xj0hnx]

Clearly except for the evidence of the ME who states your assumption is wrong.

Lol

Man with tape measure trumps video.

Thank you both for the classic example of clinging to anything thing floating by in your sea of destroyed belief. "ZOMG!!! This one guy said he's 5'11" even though the police report, his family, and all pictures and video say other wise!!!!"

You two are truly Abbott and fucking Costello.

 

[alkemyst]

Well given he has yet to provide a link that states real jewelry with diamonds, that's speculation gold played looks real and like gold. By stating real jewelry at most one can conclude is it wasn't costume.

Given the fact I was for several years working in a family owned chain of three jewelry stores, I can tell you without doubt the average school security or administration wouldn't know gold plated from gold or be able to certify real diamonds without at least a 10x.

So he is drawing conclusions based on zero evidence.

Given the fact that a school cannot report on details of a student nor can the police report on details of a minor I am going with the same schools leaked reports of his vandalism and pot bag residue being true.

In the end, even if it was costume jewelry; it was still stolen.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Yeah I just don't get debating his height with the ME. It just demonstrates unwillingness to give in to evidence that doesn't agree with their position.

Birther mentality.

I call it "My mind is made up and no facts will dissuade me!" mentality.

 

[lotus503]

Thank you both for the classic example of clinging to anything thing floating by in your sea of destroyed belief. "ZOMG!!! This one guy said he's 5'11" even though the police report, his family, and all pictures and video say other wise!!!!"

You two are truly Abbott and fucking Costello.

Do you think the ME measured his body length?

Your an absolute clown! I'll call you bozo.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Thank you both for the classic example of clinging to anything thing floating by in your sea of destroyed belief. "ZOMG!!! This one guy said he's 5'11" even though the police report, his family, and all pictures and video say other wise!!!!"

You two are truly Abbott and fucking Costello.

The police report from that night says estimated 6 foot. ME uses a tape measure for accuracy, what the #F# are you arguing about it for?

 

[lotus503]

Given the fact that a school cannot report on details of a student nor can the police report on details of a minor I am going with the same schools leaked reports of his vandalism and pot bag residue being true.

In the end, even if it was costume jewelry; it was still stolen.

That's true and it still makes spatials posts about value unfounded speculation.

 

[xj0hnx]

Do you think the ME measured his body length?

Your an absolute clown! I'll call you bozo.

The police report from that night says estimated 6 foot. ME uses a tape measure for accuracy, what the #F# are you arguing about it for?

So do you two think his family just made up that he was 6'2"? Just out of the blue for funnzies? Why argue it? Because if he can't even get the height right what else is wrong in the medical file.

 

[lotus503]

So do you two think his family just made up that he was 6'2"? Just out of the blue for funnzies? Why argue it? Because if he can't even get the height right what else is wrong in the medical file.

Well evidently he isn't 6'2" dead stretched out on a table. I'll side with evidence in the case the ME report.

 

[xj0hnx]

Well evidently he isn't 6'2" dead stretched out on a table. I'll side with evidence in the case the ME report.

I'd think you'd want to know that the report was accurate instead of just "ZOMG, you don't believe it and you support ZImmerman!?!?! Well That's it there's NO WAY it's the wrong the ME said so!!!" Just proves how big a fool you are.

 

[NeoV]

well if he really is 6'3 - for some reason, in some people's mind here - that makes him scarier - that makes it more likely he really was beating the shit of out Zimmerman - and we all know, a 6'3 black guy in a hoodie is much scarier than a 6'0 black guy in a hoodie...

It's the same with the jewelry - if it was thousands of dollars worth of Jewelry - that just furthers spatial's point that Martin was "thug life"..it strengthen's his constantly repeated "casing houses, looking in open garages" theory - Spatial has already made the leap to assume that Martin was the person breaking into houses in that development - even though he hadn't been staying in the development anywhere close to the time of the break-ins - even though it's a GIANT leap to say a kid is breaking into houses - BUT BUT BUT his maybe-cousin/brother said "what's up with you swinging on a bus driver, yo?" - it's all more evidence that this thug got what he deserved, that Zimmernan had near-psychic ability to spot a thug on a rainy, dark night - let's call it "Thug-Dar".

right Spatial? Those of us asking for questions, or seeing what look like gaps in Zimmerman's account - we are all black racists, right? We are all idiots, right?

It's not possible that something took place that night that doesn't fit what you saw...er...wait.....that doesn't fit what you think took place, right?

You are right about everything, right?

 

[NeoV]

I'd think you'd want to know that the report was accurate instead of just "ZOMG, you don't believe it and you support ZImmerman!?!?! Well That's it there's NO WAY it's the wrong the ME said so!!!" Just proves how big a fool you are.

It's all part of the media-fueled conspiracy to make Martin look tiny....

I'd say looking at pictures of him, he's at least 6 feet tall, but then again he is quite thin, and perhaps that makes him look taller than he really is. Not sure it matters, though, if he was 6 feet tall or 6'3. Saying you can tell how tall he is, though, by where the counter is from the 7-11 video - is stupid as well - it's not like everyone has the same inseam..right?

 

[monovillage]

Man with tape measure trumps video.

Dig him up. I'm sure Zimmerman's lawyer could ask for an exhumation if they think it's needed. Dig him up and check again.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Nobody is saying Zimmerman wasn't wrong to pursue when told not to by 911 operators, but that is not illegal. Beating someone's head into ground beef is.

Again, I would have shot him too if my face looked like Zimmerman's and I would have not felt bad for more than a few minutes about it. You cannot go around beating the shit out of people. THAT IS illegal.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's a good video regarding the future of the trial, both sides will find something in it to enjoy hearing. Only about 4 minutes long, from CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWycMyh052g

And here's an amazing artistic accomplishment, a rap called "Fuck Zimmerman" (main lyric is "Fuck Zimmerman, kill his ass dead" and includes a line about "let the Martin family pee on his coffin") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rujTjsVObEQ

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Yeah Zimm is going to have to move to Vermont or Maine or some shit after the charges are dropped.

 

[emperus]

Here's a good video regarding the future of the trial, both sides will find something in it to enjoy hearing. Only about 4 minutes long, from CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWycMyh052g

The prosecutor made some points I've been trying to make here.

1.) Zimm lied on the stand about not knowing TM's age when he initially took the stand to apologize. It was an asanine statement as we have all heard the 911 call. The prosecution at the time just did a terrible job, didn't realize it and didn't cross him on that. I think Zimm lucked out.

2.) There most likely wont be a SYG hearing. If Zimm testifies, the prosecutor will destroy him on cross and all that comes in for the trial if they then lose the SYG hearing. They could also win the SYG hearing. But, it's a big gamble for the O'Mara team.

 

[emperus]

What your smelling is your own BS prejudice.

Yes, great retort. I hope that didn't take you too long to come up with. I knowing how high the bar is these days for calling someone prejudiced. But could you tell me what part of what I wrote made you come up with such a snappy response.

Is it the part where I question how a 160lb kid beat silly a 200lb man? Or how the 200 lb man couldn't even muster a hit on the 160lb kid but could unholster his gun, aim directly at the kids heart and shoot him, then get up and jump on top of him? Those would all be ridiculous things to be in query about right?

But calling me prejudiced for asking those questions makes the most sense and we know it wouldn't qualify you for being a race baiter right?