Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Originally Posted by spidey07
LOL! Still with the must prove your innocence bullshit I see.

Has anybody yet been able to provide a single shred of evidence zimmerman committed a crime? No. Is there an overwhelming preponderance of evidence he acted in self defense? Yes.

Dismiss this travesty of justice by fucking racist piece of shit parents.

Well, Zimmerman's official story is that he "lost" Trayvon and then was ambushed by him. DeeDee however apparently was on the phone with him when Zimmerman caught up to Trayvon...

Whoa now... How could he have " lost " him if he in fact caught up w\ him? Oh, because he lies. This is a murder case. The only thing preventing it from being open / shut is Zimmerman's claims of self defense and his story of being ambushed, etc.

If his story is bullshit and he in fact chased after and caught up to that fucking punk and wound up killing him... well... poor georgy boy probably should prepare his anus.

That's why his defense is so busy trying to make issue of things in Trayvon's past and of the judge. They want... they NEED a mistrial or dismissal. They cant goto court because their 'case' is a scum bag who's entire story consist of false statements to police which in and of themselves are additional crimes he's committed.


Zimmerman didn't flee the scene because he knew he was already on a recorded phone call in the area and would easily be caught. He hung around and made up a bullshit story to tell police because that was his only option. He didn't count on somebody being on a phone call w\ trayvon when he caught up to him and started the altercation by putting his hands on him.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

"yo swung on a bus driver" pulled from an internet account is such a rock solid piece of evidence that T Martin assaulted a bus driver. Got any other "PROOFS" I can make another sarcastic post on?

Actually it was closer to "yo cuz you din tell me you swung on dat bus driver!!"

Which far more incriminating.. But hey, just keep twisting the facts as usual.

 

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There is no evidence/facts of such: chasing after him and grabbing him,
There is peoples' opinion only because there is no evidence that he did or did not.


There is no evidence/facts of such: killing him out of rage
There is peoples' opinion only because of words stated previous. The identified words from a witness does not indicate rage.


He does not need to prove his innocence; the state must prove his guilt beyond reasonable doubt
Large difference

Go listen to the prosecutors interview w\ DeeDee who was on the phone w\ Trayvon. She hears him ask a man why he's following him. The man responds by asking what he's doing around there.

Clearly that's Zimmerman. Clearly he chased after and caught up to Trayvon. Clearly that makes his other stories BULLSHIT.

How can you even say he didn't go after Trayvon? Have you not listened to the phone call?

" these assholes always get away"
"he's running'' ( yeah, cause he's being stalked by a psychopath and is scared)
* car door opens as zimmerman exits his car*
"Fucking punk"

***operatorer: are you following him?****
"Yes"
***operator: we don't need you to do that***

So. He exits his vehicle while saying Fucking punk. You can tell he's winded because he's running after Trayvon.

Then DeeDee indicates that the guy following Trayvon caught up to him and asked in an angry tone ( matching w\ his previous statements of fucking punks and ' these assholes always get away) what are you doing around here?

And then she hears " get off, get off" which would indicate to an iq above 50 that he was being grabbed by zimmerman.

 

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Actually it was closer to "yo cuz you din tell me you swung on dat bus driver!!"

Which far more incriminating.. But hey, just keep twisting the facts as usual.

Was that pulled from an illegally accessed account? Keep lowering the moral standards, brah.

 

[spidey07]

Even if that's what happened, it's still self defense by zimmerman when martin is on top, after brutally beating, mounting and preventing zimmerman from retreating as he screams for his life.

Self defense laws ARE very black and white, and that scenario is obviously and with precedent, justifiable homocide.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Was that pulled from an illegally accessed account? Keep lowering the moral standards, brah.

WTF does it matter? It still happened. Just because some hackers broke into his locked down myspace or whatever doesn't mean that we, on a public forum, have to just ignore the facts that are available.

 

[soundforbjt]

Actually it was closer to "yo cuz you din tell me you swung on dat bus driver!!"

Which far more incriminating.. But hey, just keep twisting the facts as usual.

So, anything posted on the internet is a "fact" now? Anything a teenager posts is a "fact". That means everything posted on youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. is a fact to you?

And you call other people delusional.

 

[WHAMPOM]

We have no proof that Martins record is squeaky clean and some reason to believe it's not. The as yet unconfirmed story is that Martin was suspended from school for dealing in marijuana. We know he was suspended for something, and his history was bad enough that mom sent him to dad to get his head on straight.

That doesn't make him a master criminal but it's certainly not squeaky clean if we're being honest with each other.

Martin has no "Police Record" which does makes him Squeaky clean compared to Zimmerman. Martin does have a school record for suspensions. The last for having two empty drug baggies and a pipe on school property and before that defacing school property with a felt tip marker. He wrote on a locker door and got caught on camera.

 

[soundforbjt]

WTF does it matter? It still happened. Just because some hackers broke into his locked down myspace or whatever doesn't mean that we, on a public forum, have to just ignore the facts that are available.

It happened...? Really? Then where's the documented proof that TM "swung" on a bus driver? Surely the driver would've reported it.

 

[JKing106]

No reason except assault. It's funny how you always leave that part out

Stalking and harassment is considered assault in certain situations. Sounds like Martin was defending himself.

 

[JKing106]

We have no proof that Martins record is squeaky clean and some reason to believe it's not. The as yet unconfirmed story is that Martin was suspended from school for dealing in marijuana. We know he was suspended for something, and his history was bad enough that mom sent him to dad to get his head on straight.

That doesn't make him a master criminal but it's certainly not squeaky clean if we're being honest with each other.

Show me an arrest record. I can link Zimmerman's in less than a minute.

There were "traces" of what was believed to be marijuana in his locker, and the police were not involved. I wasn't aware that marijuana magically transformed 17 year old kids into master MMA fighters and burglars.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I would love to see you guys do a stand up comedy routine.. no kidding, you have me literally laughing over here.. LOL.. Keep it up :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[JKing106]

Even if that's what happened, it's still self defense by zimmerman when martin is a n****r.

Fixed that for you, hero.

 

[soundforbjt]

I would love to see you guys do a stand up comedy routine.. no kidding, you have me literally laughing over here.. LOL.. Keep it up :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm still waiting for ANY documented proof of your so-called facts you are claiming.

 

[JKing106]

I wonder if Zimmerman is going to be laughing when he's got multiple real "thugs" resizing his anus? Nah, he'll off himself before he ever goes to prison.

 

[TerryMathews]

Martin has no "Police Record" which does makes him Squeaky clean compared to Zimmerman. Martin does have a school record for suspensions. The last for having two empty drug baggies and a pipe on school property and before that defacing school property with a felt tip marker. He wrote on a locker door and got caught on camera.

Regardless that's not squeaky clean by any reasonable definition of the term.

 

[soundforbjt]

I wonder if Zimmerman is going to be laughing when he's got multiple real "thugs" resizing his anus? Nah, he'll off himself before he ever goes to prison.

A real thug would've shot Z before he got out of his car.

 

[lotus503]

We have no proof that Martins record is squeaky clean and some reason to believe it's not. The as yet unconfirmed story is that Martin was suspended from school for dealing in marijuana. We know he was suspended for something, and his history was bad enough that mom sent him to dad to get his head on straight.

That doesn't make him a master criminal but it's certainly not squeaky clean if we're being honest with each other.

Issue is refusal to apply the same standard to Zimmerman as Martin.

Not you per se, rather spatial, spidey and geo.

 

[lotus503]

I would love to see you guys do a stand up comedy routine.. no kidding, you have me literally laughing over here.. LOL.. Keep it up :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Im laughing right along with you for different reasons of course. You are the most obtuse z man on the thread by far.

Btw I saw you mention Martin and home invasion any proof or just more if your speculative racist ranting?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Actually it was closer to "yo cuz you din tell me you swung on dat bus driver!!"

Which far more incriminating.. But hey, just keep twisting the facts as usual.

About as true as a "yo Spat you din tell me you swung on dat bus driver!!"?? By your standards this makes it a fact, so when yo gunna admit to assaulting a bus driver?

Geeezz! Did not think I had to make this point again. Internet rumours do not make facts.

 

[TerryMathews]

Issue is refusal to apply the same standard to Zimmerman as Martin.

Not you per se, rather spatial, spidey and geo.

I agree. Both sides need to treat each man equally.

If you talk about accusations against Zimmerman (racial hazing at work) then you should also be willing to talk about Martins accusations (bus driver, jewelry). If you want to limit the scope to official records, then that should be true for both.

 

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If a officer is in plain clothes; how is one to know that it is an officer that is being confronted.

Unless the officer identified himself before the confrontation; the assault an officer charge is from the officer POV;

The legal system tossed it out.

People can be arrested for anything the LEO chooses.
IF the prosecution does not follow up and/or the legal system stays your are innocent; the arrest may be on the record; but without a conviction; it is suspect. This was tossed not because of bad paperwork; but it was not justified.

Again, you're confused. The charge wasn't " tossed out " it was plead to a lower misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest.

Regardless if the police officer identified himself or not, the actions remain the same and we're all agreeing he performed said actions, and said actions = felony.

 

[JKing106]

Regardless that's not squeaky clean by any reasonable definition of the term.

It is when you have no arrest record, and haven't done anything most 17 years haven't done. I smoked pot the first time when I was 12. Got drunk the first time around the same age. Shoplifted a couple of times. Drove alone without a license more than once. Stole money out of my parent's wallet and pocketbook a few times. Vandalized my high school lawn by doing donuts on it more than once. Why? Because I was a bad kid from a fucked up home, and I had a bad attitude.

Guess what? I grew out of it, like most people with similar backgrounds do. Only been arrested once, at a road block, for lapsed driver's license (forgot to get it renewed after 4 years.) That was down to stupidity on my part. No DUI's, no larceny, no drug possession, no assaults, no restraining orders, no weapons charges, no trespassing, nothing.

So this bullshit of Martin defacing a school locker and being caught with TRACES of marijuana making him some kind of killer thug is fucking ridiculous. Zimmerman has a clear and easily attained written history of violent and aggressive behavior.

 

[JKing106]

I agree. Both sides need to treat each man equally.

If you talk about accusations against Zimmerman (racial hazing at work) then you should also be willing to talk about Martins accusations (bus driver, jewelry). If you want to limit the scope to official records, then that should be true for both.

Zimmerman's bullying of a co-worker is on record, recorded by law enforcement. You're quoting something off of a social networking site, repeated by a dead-piece-of-subhuman shit's blog.

Why are you so intellectually dishonest, and so zealous to defend a racist murderer?

 

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"The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect and that officers were in route. As I headed back to my vehicle the subject emerged from the darkness and said " you got a problem" I said " no " he said " well you do now ""

That's the meat and potatoes of Zimmerman's statement to police.

Now... DeeDee directly contradicts the meat & potatoes of Zimmerman's statement. She is on record saying that Trayvon had run and then started walking as he believed he was no longer being followed until Zimmerman caught up to him. At which point she says Trayvon asks why he's following him, and the guy responds by asking in an angry tone " what are you doing around here?".

This is really all way should even be talking about regarding this case. Zimmerman has a witness that directly contradicts his story and catches him in a lie. So, he's giving false statements to police with regards to a murder investigation in which he is already without a doubt the killer.

Innocent people don't give false statements and bullshit the police.