UN and six EU countries pass resolution supporting Palestinian violence

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Jimbo

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The Guardian buries in its dispatch this crucial detail, which explains why the Israelis had to wreak as much destruction as they did:
Palestinians admit the camp was liberally mined two or three days before the assault. But the strategy failed because Israel had no compunction about razing homes to make roads for its tanks. "The thing we did not count on was the bulldozer. It was a catastrophe. If the Israelis had only gone one by one inside the camp, they would never have succeeded in entering," said Mr Damaj.

Czar: I'll look for a link when I get my kids from school.
I don't have time right now to go further, I will catch you in a bit.
 

glenn1

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<< If anyone has a link to the resolution then please post it, I tried searching the un site but found nothing. >>



Ditto. That would be extremely useful, as any second-hand reporter's story is likely going to show a bias of one sort or another.

 

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<< DaveSohmer: Settle down. If you can't debate maturely maybe this thread isn't right for you. >>


When I want your advice I will ask for it, until then keep it to yourself. I wont be called a sheep or anything else by a 12 year old. Furthermore I don't see you telling anyone else to "settle down". So stick it.
 

Czar

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http://unbisnet.un.org

this is a somesortof a document database for the un, still havent found anything recent enough

and everything is slow and horrible

makes me want to apply for a job there to try to fix it :p
 

glenn1

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<< makes me want to apply for a job there to try to fix it >>



Nothing personal mate, but the UN needs far more help than any of us here could ever hope to render to it.
 

Czar

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<< makes me want to apply for a job there to try to fix it >>



Nothing personal mate, but the UN needs far more help than any of us here could ever hope to render to it.
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thats true, but its the only thing we have so we might as well support it
 

Czar

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<< thats true, but its the only thing we have so we might as well support it >>



Typical Euro attitude.
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typical US attitute
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Texmaster

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There is NO wiggle room in this one. The words used are "all available means, including armed struggle" And since homocide bombing IS armed struggle, this resolution SUPPORTS violence.

And of course in the same resolution, "There is no condemnation whatsoever of terrorism."

The apologists can try to spin it all they want. The facts are the 40 countries that signed this resolution support homocide bombers used against Israeli citizins. PERIOD.

Btw Nitemare, dont mess with Dave, he'll bury you :)
 

PlatinumGold

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Let's ask czar the tough questions again, that way he will run away.

so czar, let's say the story is true as linked. that indeed the UN and the EU agreed to Crticize Isreal and SUPPORT palestine. how does this NOT conflict with your STOP the violence position?

why can't you just call a spade a spade and save us all time.
 

Red Dawn

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Fsck the UN. Do they think they can undo their mistake of creating the Nation of Israel (well creating it where they did) by condoning Palestinian violence to destroy it? They should have condemned both sides. By not doing so they made their authority even a bigger joke than it was before.

 

UltraQuiet

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<< Fsck the UN. Do they think they can undo their mistake of creating the Nation of Israel (well creating it where they did) by condoning Palestinian violence to destroy it? They should have condemned both sides. By not doing so they made their autority even a bigger joke than it was before. >>


I don't know if that is their motivation but I certainly agree with your "fsck 'em" statement based on their apparent ( or my own selective perception) partisanship in this conflict. Of course I question the wisdom of any organization that has Syria on it's "security" council.
 

GermyBoy

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The US should stop funding the UN. I know we don't fund it all, but we fund enough for the world to have a UN.
 

Riprorin

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God's promise to Abram in Genesis 12:1-3

1 The Lord had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.

2 "I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse
;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."


 

PistachioByAzul

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Didn't we target civillians when we dropped not one but two nukes on Japan? Justification is obviously relative.
 

Riprorin

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<< Didn't we target civillians when we dropped not one but two nukes on Japan? Justification is obviously relative. >>



Harry S. Truman, Diary, July 25, 1945

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President Truman told his diary on July 25, 1945, that he had ordered the bomb used.
Emphasis has been added to highlight Truman's apparent belief that he had ordered the bomb dropped on a "purely military" target, so that "military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children."


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We have discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of the world. It may be the fire destruction prophesied in the Euphrates Valley Era, after Noah and his fabulous Ark.

Anyway we "think" we have found the way to cause a disintegration of the atom. An experiment in the New Mexico desert was startling - to put it mildly. Thirteen pounds of the explosive caused the complete disintegration of a steel tower 60 feet high, created a crater 6 feet deep and 1,200 feet in diameter, knocked over a steel tower 1/2 mile away and knocked men down 10,000 yards away. The explosion was visible for more than 200 miles and audible for 40 miles and more.

This weapon is to be used against Japan between now and August 10th. I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children. Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop that terrible bomb on the old capital or the new.

He and I are in accord. The target will be a purely military one and we will issue a warning statement asking the Japs to surrender and save lives. I'm sure they will not do that, but we will have given them the chance. It is certainly a good thing for the world that Hitler's crowd or Stalin's did not discover this atomic bomb. It seems to be the most terrible thing ever discovered, but it can be made the most useful...

Truman quoted in Robert H. Ferrell, Off the Record: The Private Papers of Harry S. Truman (New York: Harper and Row, 1980) pp. 55-56. Truman's writings are in the public domain.


Truman Speech, August 9, 1945 (excerpt)

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In a radio speech to the nation on August 9, 1945, President Truman called Hiroshima "a military base." It seems likely, considering his July 25 diary entry, that he was not aware that Hiroshima was a city. Otherwise, he was being untruthful about the nature of the target.
Truman delivered his speech from the White House at 10 P.M. Washington time on August 9, 1945. By this time, a second atomic bomb already had destroyed the city of Nagasaki. Because of the great length of the speech, most of which dealt with Germany, only the relevant paragraph is quoted here.


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The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately, and save themselves from destruction.

Source: Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: Harry S. Truman, Containing the Public Messages, Speeches and Statements of the President April 12 to December 31, 1945 (Washington D.C.: United States Government Printing Office, 1961) page 212. The full text also was published in the New York Times, August 10, 1945, page 12.

 

PistachioByAzul

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So says a diary uncovered after the fact. Regardless, we knew the destructive power, and sure enough, a few hundred thousand civlians died.
 

Miramonti

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which supports the use of "all available means, including armed struggle" to establish a Palestinian state.

I strongly agree with criticizing Israels actions although if this statement is really part of the resolution I think they over-stepped their bounds and I think it is inappropriate for them to encourage this approach to achieve their freedom.

A cease fire and peace resolution is the only answer whether it happens now or later, and its not for them to encourage violence. This statement is a provocation for more needless deaths and atrocities on both sides. I'd even rather see the countries that signed on to this statement to send their own military support to help the Palestinians defend themselves on their own land than to make counter-productive statements like this. Of course thats a whole 'nother can of worms tho, but my point is the statement is inappropriate.
 

Miramonti

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<< And your point is? >>


Point is its a fvckin atom bomb and they didn't have a single military target that big. Sure it was a military objective, win the war, but it was the most atrocious attack ever on civilians in modern day warfare. What the fvck is your point you friggin hypocrite?

I suppose you'd pull a Sharon, and say "we weren't targeting civilians" even tho they weren't being avoided either.
 

PistachioByAzul

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Point is that the notion of "any means necessary" is always perfectly justified in the eyes of the perpetrator. In the case of the Palestineans, well, they don't really have any means other than what they're doing.