Ultimate fighter vs. Navy Seal- who wins?

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: QueBert
They just put emphasis on lethal strikes, which are above and beyond the KO strikes MMA dudes study.

Err...krav maga is a MMA, one of many arts this "MMA fighter" could be proficient in.

most Martial Art people do not really consider Krav Maga to be a true Martial Art, I don't know of a single professional MMA fighter outside of Bas Rutten who's ever even mentioned it. And none will train it, as 90% of what they learn would be illegal and useless in an MMA bout. The 10% they could use, would be techniques Krav borrowed from BJJ or Muay or Kick Boxing so they would already know them. Chuck Liddell isn't going to waste him time studing Krav because none of it translates to fighting that involves rules. Krav won't be suggested by many non Krav instructors, if any.


Krav is the worst discipline for an MMA fighter, and it's real world use isn't even that great, unless you plan to get held at gun point and want to know how to break the guys finger before he can shoot you

Actually it's twist/grab the gun, kick the guy in the nuts, take his gun and hopefully break his finger in the process. Or some variation thereof.

And yes, hopefully I'll never have to apply the knowledge. In the meantime it keeps me in shape, and in the off chance I do get caught up in a street fight (narrowly avoided one once), I'll know how to defend myself.

It would be great in a street fight, I studied Krav for a whole week, I wasn't cut out for it, too intense and my dreams of being a killing machine were cut short. LOL The technique I learned to twist the gun in the attackers hand and bust their trigger finger was interesting, I was actually held at gun point a year or so after my week of training. I did not try to disarm dude, my courage was low and the gun was big. I gave up the money and thanks God afterwards I was still breathing. To this day I still wonder what would have happened if I had twisted the hand, breaking his finger and finished him off with a few strikes to the throat and nose. haha.

I want to get back into it, I feel if I had maybe 6 months of training when the robbery happened I might have reacted different. My mindset was I was going to die and I froze up, luckily nothing happened, but if I had a bit more training I could have done a better job preventing me possibly dying, as you never know the outcome before hand.

 

[NeoV]

"This thread is fucking retarded. You guys are quite obviously clueless about both the military and mixed martial arts." Right - only TallBill knows anything about these things...........

 

[MikeyLSU]

if we are talking about the elite fighter SEAL vs elite fighter MMA, I go with the SEAL

IF you are talking elite MMA vs random SEAL, I'd go MMA.

I assumed we are talking elite vs elite, otherwise there is no point. So I voted SEAL

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl

Originally posted by: CasioTech
It says I'm not a pompous pseudo intellectual like yourself.

Confident? More like delusions of false grandeur.

do you love that pretty much all of anandtech despises and is annoyed by you?

how does that feel?

out of curiosity of course...

how does it feel to spam the S&R board giving out TMI, which is constantly nastier and nastier?

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: CasioTech
http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_...mages/USANavySeals.jpg

yeah those guys look REAL tough :roll:

What, so to be tough you need to look like a harley biker?
If those are Navy Seals, those guys are tougher than you, me and anyone else on this forum.

how many losers do we have on this forum who 'presume' that because they're completely and utterly useless on almost all fronts, they can speak on behalf of everyone else?

 

[CasioTech]

btw:


that asian guy from bloodsport would kill any redneck seal.


any underground thai fighter as well

the list goes on and on.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
btw:


that asian guy from bloodsport would kill any redneck seal.


any underground thai fighter as well

the list goes on and on.

Yes, because movies are so fucking realistic. :roll:

And why do think SEALs are rednecks?

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

True story.

My friend mouthed off to a SEAL when we were in Panama and in about 2 seconds the SEAL bit off his ear, knocked him to the ground and spit it out on his chest. He bit off most of the external part of his ear which was surgically reattached.

I dunno I still think the UFC guy would win.

 

[Lash444]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
True story.

My friend mouthed off to a SEAL when we were in Panama and in about 2 seconds the SEAL bit off his ear, knocked him to the ground and spit it out on his chest. He bit off most of the external part of his ear which was surgically reattached.

I dunno I still think the UFC guy would win.

Before offering his ear as a meal, did he ask the SEAL if he was the real deal?

 

[Lash444]

Repost

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: irishScott

I'd go with 95%

Sorry, not all of us have been deployed to Iraq and Box, or deadlift 500 lbs, so thus we don't share your apparent omniscience of the military and MMA. :roll:

I guess that also includes Destrekor, who IIRC is active duty military. Please stop generalizing, just makes you look stupid.

Yes, but this thread is silly to begin with. Then you add in a lot of people with very little knowledge and it gets worse. I'm not a Navy Seal or a pro MMA fighter, but I know enough about both sides to not post a uninformed argument.

 

[CasioTech]

omg gaiz

who wud win da mikie dieezzz clurk or the buga king clurk?!

 

[aigomorla]

im sorry but what kind of topic is this?

One is a professional fighter.

The other is a professional Killer.

Need i say more?

Sorry the seal would kill him in 3 sec.

On the field, they need to kill the oponents in a matter of seconds.
Not dance with the partner on live TV.


Heres one to throw a wrench in the topic.

Since both are considered deadly weapons.
What would happen if they did fight? What would they both be convicted as?


Also not all seals are white. I know one that was honoribly discharged and he was korean.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
omg gaiz

who wud win da mikie dieezzz clurk or the buga king clurk?!

You can go back to sucking cocks now.

 

[CasioTech]

maybe, after your mom gets done with them. Lucky for me that will never happen.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
Lucky for me that will never happen.

I think you're going to need a time machine for that fantasy to become reality.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: dNor

There's a lot of enlightenment that should probably be done in this thread. Someone underestimating no quarter combat like krav maga is pretty ridiculous.

Hrm, this thread is 100% idiot.

I'd go with 95%

Sorry, not all of us have been deployed to Iraq and Box, or deadlift 500 lbs, so thus we don't share your apparent omniscience of the military and MMA. :roll:

I guess that also includes Destrekor, who IIRC is active duty military. Please stop generalizing, just makes you look stupid.

aww why we gotta bring me into this? TallBill is right that this thread is retarded. I just enjoy letting my inner-retard out by being in this thread. Calms it down for the rest of the day.
And nah, I'm still in school. Got 2 years left of ROTC before I'm active.

+

 

[wetcat007]

Is the Navy Seal armed like he would be in combat?

 

[JD50]

If the Ultimate fighter had a club, I think he'd easily kill the Seal. If an eskimo can do it, I'm sure an Ultimate fighter can do it.

Or were you talking about a Navy SEAL?

 

[Aquaman]

SEAL FTW

Cheers,
Aquaman [693 pounds]

 

[DaedalCipher]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: gorbs
seal, trained to kill. ufc while awesome on tv are trained to fight not kill. knock out or tap out.

Fail. Mixed Martial Artists do indeed usually learn plenty of incapacitating strikes as well.

Even the thread title fails, they are mixed martial artists, not Ultimate Fighters.

Wow, this is the third time you've had absolutely nothing constructive to say about the topic, and just spouted nothing but flame.
1) I chose Ultimate Fighter for the title of the thread because that's how our argument initially started. When you weigh each side of the match and eliminate shared skills and variables that either can't be concretely quantified, there are only a few things to really talk about. Does the fact that an Ultimate Fighter, who trains much, much more in hand to hand combat than a Navy Seal outweigh the fact that for the latter they are encouraged to forget the mental block against killing another human without hesitation while for the former that mental block is constantly reinforced. I didn't want the thread to degenerate into a bunch of tangential arguments about other disciplines that muddy the water of that argument. Of course, it happened anyway, but I was hoping...

2) the guy before didn't say ufc fighters weren't trained in incapacitating strikes. he was drawing the line between the end result that each a Seal and a UFC fighter are trained to effect.

Of course, from your comments in this thread we can all tell that such a distillation of the argument is unlikely to occur in a mind not graced by original thought. Hence the monosyllabic grunts and simplemindedness of your posts.

Fail.

 

[DaedalCipher]

Originally posted by: wetcat007
Is the Navy Seal armed like he would be in combat?

No, he's not. Read the OP, but they're both unarmed, and meet on the streets in a neutral environment.

 

[DaedalCipher]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
im sorry but what kind of topic is this?

One is a professional fighter.

The other is a professional Killer.

Need i say more?

Sorry the seal would kill him in 3 sec.

On the field, they need to kill the oponents in a matter of seconds.
Not dance with the partner on live TV.


Heres one to throw a wrench in the topic.

Since both are considered deadly weapons.
What would happen if they did fight? What would they both be convicted as?


Also not all seals are white. I know one that was honoribly discharged and he was korean.

That is my thought as well.

 

[DaedalCipher]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
if we are talking about the elite fighter SEAL vs elite fighter MMA, I go with the SEAL

IF you are talking elite MMA vs random SEAL, I'd go MMA.

I assumed we are talking elite vs elite, otherwise there is no point. So I voted SEAL

you assumed correctly. I'm not knowledgeable enough about either to split such a fine hair as elite mma vs. random seal, as i dont know the nature of the difference in skill levels between an "elite" seal and random one.

 

[thegimp03]

I'd rather see a fight between an MP and an MMA fighter. Military Police are already badasses, since in order for them to be able to arrest army bad boys, they have to be better trained than the majority of them. Navy Seals get more training as a jack of all trades, don't they?