UK: Retired widow could face 5 years of prison after man broke into her house...

[HAL9000]

YES

But they are nothiing but killing instruments. Seems like a glaring descrepency in your logic to me.

When gangs of people are wandering the streets killing people with bows and arrows we will ban them.

Wow, late to the party here but I just read this entire thread and am blown away (no pun intended). Do people like HAL really exist? Thank God I live in the USA. It's really sad that a supposed free society has totally been disarmed...again. And the criminals have free reign to terrorize the people who will end up going to jail if they kill their aggressors in self-defense. Really a pathetic society the UK has become...to have allowed their govt to elect laws in this fashion.

This is why the slippery slope argument is a valid one in terms of regulations here in the US and why gun owners and sportsmen fight them to the end. Once the gun banners get a foothold, they will keep at it until we become like Britain. No thanks.

I exist.

 

[Howard]

When gangs of people are wandering the streets killing people with bows and arrows we will ban them.

And when there are gangs of people wandering the streets kicking people to death, feet will be banned. Also it will be illegal to be outdoors after dark.

 

[HAL9000]

And when there are gangs of people wandering the streets kicking people to death, feet will be banned. Also it will be illegal to be outdoors after dark.

I don't think they will. That's not the way it works.

 

[Howard]

I don't think they will. That's not the way it works.

Cause -> effect?

 

[HAL9000]

Cause -> effect?

Cause = exclusively a deadly weapon.
Effect = ban in public, or ban of private ownership.

 

[Howard]

Cause = exclusively a deadly weapon.
Effect = ban in public, or ban of private ownership.

All knives are not exclusively deadly weapons, including folding pocket knives with blades shorter than 3" (in cases of legal misconduct).

And yet the effect is the outlawing of public possession of all of the above.

 

[HAL9000]

All knives are not exclusively deadly weapons, including folding pocket knives with blades shorter than 3" (in cases of legal misconduct).

And yet the effect is the outlawing of public possession of all of the above.

If you have a valid reason to be carrying a knife then by all means you can.

 

[Howard]

If you have a valid reason to be carrying a knife then by all means you can.

You can still be convicted on the basis of these particular laws even if you do have a valid reason to be carrying a knife(s).

 

[HAL9000]

You can still be convicted on the basis of these particular laws even if you do have a valid reason to be carrying a knife(s).

Can you? I did not realise that. I was under the impression that if you have a valid, legitimate reason to carry whatever knife you are carrying then it's fine. Interesting.

The original point still stands, if you are carrying a knife with no good reason then you are committing a crime, those knives that are banned have been done so because they make more effective weapons than other, smaller knives.

 

[schneiderguy]

When gangs of people are wandering the streets killing people with bows and arrows we will ban them.

Gangs of people weren't wandering the streets killing people with guns before they were banned in the UK.

 

[HAL9000]

Gangs of people weren't wandering the streets killing people with guns before they were banned in the UK.

I'm pretty sure that there were people wandering the streets killing people with guns in the UK.

 

[schneiderguy]

I'm pretty sure that there were people wandering the streets killing people with guns in the UK.

Gun crime has always been very low in the UK. A few dozen homicides a year != "people wandering around the streets killing people"

If there were people doing that you'd have thousands of gun homicides a year like America :thumbsup:

 

[HAL9000]

Gun crime has always been very low in the UK. A few dozen homicides a year != "people wandering around the streets killing people"

If there were people doing that you'd have thousands of gun homicides a year like America :thumbsup:

So are you saying that America warrants a gun ban more than the UK?

 

[schneiderguy]

So are you saying that America warrants a gun ban more than the UK?

No, banning guns would do nothing to stop people running around and killing each other. IIRC the gun ban in the UK hasn't caused your gun homicide rate to go down at all, and knife crime has increased during that time period.

The majority of gun homicides in the US are from gangs in poor areas shooting each other. I doubt they legally own guns anyway, they're all criminals.

 

[HAL9000]

No, banning guns would do nothing to stop people running around and killing each other. IIRC the gun ban in the UK hasn't caused your gun homicide rate to go down at all, and knife crime has increased during that time period.

The majority of gun homicides in the US are from gangs in poor areas shooting each other. I doubt they legally own guns anyway, they're all criminals.

It would at least be easier to identify the criminals, if everyone with a gun was automatically a criminal no questions asked.

 

[schneiderguy]

It would at least be easier to identify the criminals, if everyone with a gun was automatically a criminal no questions asked.

How do you propose figuring out if someone has a gun or not?

It's not like they strap the gun to their hip and walk down the street with it.

 

[HAL9000]

How do you propose figuring out if someone has a gun or not?

It's not like they strap the gun to their hip and walk down the street with it.

That'd be the police officers job.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

It would at least be easier to identify the criminals, if everyone with a gun was automatically a criminal no questions asked.

Awesome lack of logic. Instead of looking at a person's intent or motive you would rather turn anyone and everyone into an automatic criminal based on the mere ownership of a gun for the sake of your own reckless convenience.

 

[HAL9000]

Awesome lack of logic. Instead of looking at a person's intent or motive you would rather turn anyone and everyone into an automatic criminal based on the mere ownership a gun for the sake of your own reckless convince.

That's not the reason I'm for banning guns, It was just an argument.

 

[JS80]

Yet another neckbeard troll thread

 

[FallenHero]

That'd be the police officers job.

Because we police officers have magical powers to determine that.

 

[HAL9000]

Because we police officers have magical powers to determine that.

No they don't! Don't be silly.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm pretty sure that there were people wandering the streets killing people with guns in the UK.

You said "gangs", so show us a link to these "gangs" of which you speak..

 

[nobodyknows]

When gangs of people are wandering the streets killing people with bows and arrows we will ban them.

And after that you better ban sharp sticks.