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UK at'ers..what is your view on Scottish independence?

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norseamd said:
More like this. With the less prosperous countries failing and England and even France considering pulling out I am thinking about if the EU can even survive another 20 years or so. One worry is however if the EU dissolves then the only thing uniting Europe against the Muscovites is NATO and until the conflict starting this year NATO was considered as basically deteriorating as any effective organization.
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I dont think that the EU necessarily unites Europe on defence issues anyway.

If you're talking military force then NATO has way more weight than the EU.
 
Nessie, the Loch Ness Monster will be the one vote to break the tie.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/loch-aye-no-loch-ness-4250034

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we had that problem, then this thing called the civil war and have been screwed by the central government ever since.
 
norseamd said:
But what do you predict over the long term for the EU?
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What will actually happen or what should happen?

What should happen is massive reform and slimming down of the apparatus of European government. A clear distinction between what is local, national and pan European powers.

What will happen? No idea. 😛
 
is this over then? Last I saw on the news it looked like No was winning, but then Yes started to catch up a bit but was still 10% behind.
 
It'll be over in the morning. Just relax, you'll get the same news whether you're the first to hear it or the billionth.
 
No wins, 55% to 45%

Still a deep divide but UK is staying together. :thumbsup:

Yes probably wanted a massive landslide in Glasgow that just didn't happen.
 
It's great to see how peaceful this whole thing was. Unless I missed it, I don't think there was any violence or anything during this whole process.
 
Good to hear the no side won. My family over there had supported remaining in the UK.

I'm not sure why the UK doesn't adopt the same system used in the United States, Canada, and Australia. With Scotland, Whales, Northern Ireland, and England as semi-autonomous provinces with their own legislatures, in full control of their own local matters. I think it's going that way with the Scottish Parliament and all, but there doesn't seem to be a clear, agreed upon, and constitutionally entrenched division of powers.

I remain skeptical about the true nature of these independence movement. Perhaps because it's been tinted with our own experiences with Quebec. Seems to me like it all boils down to money. Which is why the Quebecois get uppity every few years. They know full well they can't survive without the flow of cash from the feds. The pro-independence PQ have also proven themselves incapable and uninterested in dealing with the day to day affairs. They've very much a bellwether party.
 
mmntech said:
Good to hear the no side won. My family over there had supported remaining in the UK. I'm not sure why the UK doesn't adopt the same system used in the United States, Canada, and Australia. With Scotland, Whales, Northern Ireland, and England as semi-autonomous provinces with their own legislatures, in full control of their own local matters. I think it's going that way with the Scottish Parliament and all, but there doesn't seem to be a clear, agreed upon, and constitutionally entrenched division of powers. I remain skeptical about the true nature of these independence movement. Perhaps because it's been tinted with our own experiences with Quebec. Seems to me like it all boils down to money. Which is why the Quebecois get uppity every few years. They know full well they can't survive without the flow of cash from the feds. The pro-independence PQ have also proven themselves incapable and uninterested in dealing with the day to day affairs. They've very much a bellwether party.
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And yet if it were only about money this referendum would never have occurred.
 
norseamd said:
And yet if it were only about money this referendum would never have occurred.
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Of course not, not without the requisite dick stroking and flag waving. I'd go so far as to say that without the involvement of fanboy nationalists, the vote may have happened, but would have been a low-turnout referendum that most people would blink and miss.

It's not like the Scots are oppressed, targeted for disenfranchisement, facing economic ruin, or have been enemies with the English for hundreds of years. William Wallace died 710 years ago for gods' sakes. There's no compelling reason for them to secede other than because of nationalism. If it were just about fixing their problems the vote would instead have been centered on issues of a regional parliament and autonomy, and independence never would have come up. It does look like they're getting their regional autonomy anyway, and that should be good because it will address some legitimate problems, but that's not what the vote was about.
 
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