Ugh, the sad state of big-box pre-built desktops. (Atom / Kabini)

[ninaholic37]

75% empty air

I wonder if they got this idea while angrily opening another bag of Potato Chips. :hmm:

I think the move was a year premature.

Best way to sum up the whole situation (at least for Intel) I think.

 

[wilds]

What about all these Chromeboxes?

https://www.google.com/search?q=chr...mebox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=shop

These should be able to do most office tasks...

 

[Roland00Address]

No, definitely not. Keep in mind, I am not "for" the widespread use of Bay Trail as a Haswell Celeron/Pentium substitute. I think the move was a year premature.

One thing they could have done since they have complete control over the naming due to them owning the trademarks is this.

To use the name celeron or pentium the exact same cpu in desktops, notebooks, and tablets in oem machines.

have to follow these rules

• The computer's total volume must be below X cubic centimeters
• The computer must have a storage system where X MB/s random speeds, and Y MB/s write speeds are obtained.
• The computer must have a certain minimum memory system

If the oem company can't not meat these benchmarks then they can't get the celeron or pentium sticker on their box and they can't market the cpu as celeron or pentium in advertisements. Instead the cpu defaults to the name "atom"

It is the same stuff that Intel did with the centrino line and the ultrabook line. This types of rules do accrue a small cost to the oems and thus the users, but intel can make a marketing fund to cover up the costs to the oems. There is much good that can be done by such tactics. Furthermore Intel can use such tactics for evil saying you must use an intel ssd, intel/crucial flash, intel chipsets which have no effect to the end user, intel wireless cards, etc.

Intel has the power of great good, or the pure evil shit. AMD has the same power but it is lesser powers for their marketing power is less, and they have less well established brands.

Now these type of marketing only works on the margins. It can convince a person to spend $10 more, $20 more in rare cases $50 or a $100 more but it will never convince a person to spend $150+ more and this is why the ultrabook initiative was a failure for at the time those ultrabooks cost much more in the area of $200+, sure they were better computers than craptops but when they cost as much as a mac people will go to the mac for the mac has a more powerful brand image then a recently created word such as intel ultrabooks. Furthermore I do not think the term ultrabooks was the best, possibly probooks or something if the cost was going to be so much more, and then a lesser term for the consumer line which had less rigorous tech requirements.

What about all these Chromeboxes?

https://www.google.com/search?q=chr...mebox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=shop

These should be able to do most office tasks...

Yes they can if they are configured to the right screen (tv, an ips netbook, an ips notebook, etc), the right price, the right software, and the right cloud/network storage. Google is pushing this dream for they provide the right type of skills to take benefit from it, they make money off the cloud and knowing how to sell advertisements. Thus they can push free software that is good enough for they make their money in other ways.

In other words Google has the right talents and the right weaknesses to make that dream into a reality.

 

[Homeles]

havent we been hearing this ever since atom came out?

No. Really tired of these cliched imaginations.

 

[VirtualLarry]

No. Really tired of these cliched imaginations.

Remember when Atom was like 10W, but tied to a system chipset that was like 40W? Those old-school Atom mini-ITX boards with the tiny heatsink over the CPU, but the big heatsink over the chipset?

I have to give Intel credit, Bay Trail is the first, truely viable Atom version. All prior versions were extremely crap.

Perhaps not coincidentally, this laptop with a N2830 is the first Atom-based device that I can remember purchasing. Performance isn't quite as good as an old-school E5200, but it runs at like 8W or less, I think, instead of 45W for the E5200 (rated in the 65W TDP class).

 

[evident]

No. Really tired of these cliched imaginations.

The first netbooks were touted as the hot stuff back in the day. everyone was so excited about picking one of them up, except when they got them they found out it could barely work as grandmom's email checker. i'm still traumatized by having to do tech support for one of my family members on one of those things. I remember there being incremental updates of the atom, but all utter crap until the J1900.

now, if they can put the J1900 into one of those, it would certainly be a viable machine.

 

[frozentundra123456]

What about all these Chromeboxes?

https://www.google.com/search?q=chr...mebox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=shop

These should be able to do most office tasks...

They dont even *run* office! If there is anything I would want less than a desktop with a wimpy atom/kabini, it would be one without an OS. I dont even like them for a mobile device, but I know I am swimming against the tide there, and I guess they are OK for cheap mobility on the go, especially those with the built in modem and free T-Mobile access. Actually, that free 3G for life sounds like a pretty sweet deal. But for a desktop, I would not even consider a chromebox.

And no, I dont consider google docs, or whatever they call them now, an office suite.

 

[ElFenix]

Oh wow, I found a new worst culprit:

http://www.ebuyer.com/639650-hp-compaq-100-desktop-e1f95ea-abu

Guess what's in that gigantic, full width microATX case? A freaking Bobcat. In 2014. HP should be ashamed of themselves.

love minitowers that use laptop power supplies. first time i saw one was on microcenter's site. thought, 'wth, where's the power supply?' when looking at pics of the inside.

 

[evident]

http://slickdeals.net/f/7167152-dell-financial-services-coupon-35-off-199-or-more-free-shipping?v=1

these type of deals are the only way to go on the cheap side.

 

[Roland00Address]

And no, I dont consider google docs, or whatever they call them now, an office suite.

Why not? It may not suit you needs it may not suit my needs but it suits many peoples needs. It can save in the Microsoft format, it can print to any printer that is 3 years old or newer.

Being a crappy office suite is different than no office suite at all.

 

[Idontcare]

And no, I dont consider google docs, or whatever they call them now, an office suite.

It isn't perfect, but it is a far cry better than the alternative if you are a .org with zero resources to allocate towards online collaborative solutions.