Ugh.. bad waitress confronted girl and forced her to leave a 15% tip

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: jumpr
waitresses rely on tips to get above their meager $2.65 wage, or whatever they're paid.

I hate this line of reasoning to justify leaving 15%

A person is free to choose their profession in this country. If she has obligations which require a certain specific salary she should endeavor to gain employment which would secure it. I love a good waiter or waitress, they MAKE the meal I tip generously, however I NEVER feel OBLIGATED to leave 15%, because I'm not.

Would you rather pay 15 percent more for all your food and drinks and have absolutely no incentive for the waitresses to do a good job?

The whole tip model is archaic and should be done away with. Waitresses/waiters should do a good job because it's the right thing to do, and not so they can get more money. Retail stores that don't have commission seem to work just fine, with some people being pricks and some being great. But the ones who are great don't do it simply to get more money out of it. It's a sad day when people start thinking the only way to get good service is to bribe people.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: jumpr
waitresses rely on tips to get above their meager $2.65 wage, or whatever they're paid.

I hate this line of reasoning to justify leaving 15%

A person is free to choose their profession in this country. If she has obligations which require a certain specific salary she should endeavor to gain employment which would secure it. I love a good waiter or waitress, they MAKE the meal I tip generously, however I NEVER feel OBLIGATED to leave 15%, because I'm not.

Would you rather pay 15 percent more for all your food and drinks and have absolutely no incentive for the waitresses to do a good job?

We are already supposed to TIP so the TIP is already included in the meal price. The incentive for waitresses to do a good job is to avoid getting fired, bad service makes customers never come back. I rarely if ever TIP 15%, 10% is more than fair and if I get bad service I don't leave a TIP.

If we are supposed to tip then how is the tip included already in the meal price? I do not follow your logic. I usually have to tip more to reward them from receiving crappy tips for good service by someone like you...

You're welcome

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Spac3d

Originally posted by: Millennium
IHOP in Sandy Springs(Atlanta). I left 0 for the top because the waitress was being a bitch. She had the worst attitude about everything. The manager came outside and said he was going to call the cops if we didn't leave a tip. I turned my car off, got out, and went inside the lobby. I said call the cops right now and I will wait the entire time. He decided he didn't want to call them so I told him I would call. That is when he asked me to leave and I did.

*sigh* I miss Atlanta. Was that the IHOP in uh... Marietta (?) right near that Best Buy and that HUGE Olive Garden. I can't remember the name of the street, but it is the one north west of downtown with all of those car dealerships.

This was the IHOP on Roswell Rd near 85.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Nitemare


We are already supposed to TIP so the TIP is already included in the meal price. The incentive for waitresses to do a good job is to avoid getting fired, bad service makes customers never come back. I rarely if ever TIP 15%, 10% is more than fair and if I get bad service I don't leave a TIP.

If we are supposed to tip then how is the tip included already in the meal price? I do not follow your logic. I usually have to tip more to reward them from receiving crappy tips for good service by someone like you...

You're welcome[/quote]

If you believe you are supposed to tip then the tip is already factored into the cost. Does it matter if you pay it as an addon to the bill or if it's factored into the cost of the meal? Either way you are still paying it.

And BTW if you think TIPing bad service makes it better you are a fool.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: jumpr
waitresses rely on tips to get above their meager $2.65 wage, or whatever they're paid.

I hate this line of reasoning to justify leaving 15%

A person is free to choose their profession in this country. If she has obligations which require a certain specific salary she should endeavor to gain employment which would secure it. I love a good waiter or waitress, they MAKE the meal I tip generously, however I NEVER feel OBLIGATED to leave 15%, because I'm not.

Would you rather pay 15 percent more for all your food and drinks and have absolutely no incentive for the waitresses to do a good job?

The whole tip model is archaic and should be done away with. Waitresses/waiters should do a good job because it's the right thing to do, and not so they can get more money. Retail stores that don't have commission seem to work just fine, with some people being pricks and some being great. But the ones who are great don't do it simply to get more money out of it. It's a sad day when people start thinking the only way to get good service is to bribe people.

Let's do away with the wage system as it is in general. Let's pay everybody the same amount regardless of whether they work or not or in what capacity. If there is no incentive than there is no dedication or pride in doing a good job(In soviet Russia waitress's stiff you). People on commission are more dedicated to their job and will do it better than those that get a certain amount regardless of whether they bust their ass or do the crappiest job imaginable.

Would you bust your ass day in and day out for the same wages as 3 co-workers that worked 2 hours out of an 8 hour shift?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Nitemare


We are already supposed to TIP so the TIP is already included in the meal price. The incentive for waitresses to do a good job is to avoid getting fired, bad service makes customers never come back. I rarely if ever TIP 15%, 10% is more than fair and if I get bad service I don't leave a TIP.

If we are supposed to tip then how is the tip included already in the meal price? I do not follow your logic. I usually have to tip more to reward them from receiving crappy tips for good service by someone like you...

You're welcome

If you believe you are supposed to tip then the tip is already factored into the cost. Does it matter if you pay it as an addon to the bill or if it's factored into the cost of the meal? Either way you are still paying it.

And BTW if you think TIPing bad service makes it better you are a fool.[/quote]

So if they were to abolish tipping, 15% would be added on to the current food bill which means you would pay more and I would have to pay less....WooHoo, where do I sign up?

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: jumpr
waitresses rely on tips to get above their meager $2.65 wage, or whatever they're paid.

I hate this line of reasoning to justify leaving 15%

A person is free to choose their profession in this country. If she has obligations which require a certain specific salary she should endeavor to gain employment which would secure it. I love a good waiter or waitress, they MAKE the meal I tip generously, however I NEVER feel OBLIGATED to leave 15%, because I'm not.

Would you rather pay 15 percent more for all your food and drinks and have absolutely no incentive for the waitresses to do a good job?

The whole tip model is archaic and should be done away with. Waitresses/waiters should do a good job because it's the right thing to do, and not so they can get more money. Retail stores that don't have commission seem to work just fine, with some people being pricks and some being great. But the ones who are great don't do it simply to get more money out of it. It's a sad day when people start thinking the only way to get good service is to bribe people.

Let's do away with the wage system as it is in general. Let's pay everybody the same amount regardless of whether they work or not or in what capacity. If there is no incentive than there is no dedication or pride in doing a good job(In soviet Russia waitress's stiff you). People on commission are more dedicated to their job and will do it better than those that get a certain amount regardless of whether they bust their ass or do the crappiest job imaginable.

Would you bust your ass day in and day out for the same wages as 3 co-workers that worked 2 hours out of an 8 hour shift?

Yes, I would, because I have self-respect. Sh!tty service is the symptom, it's not the disease. And commission also has a dark side, wherein they try to foist things off on people that they don't need in order to up their cut.

My only real problem with tips is that they pay waitresses far less than minimum wage expecting them to make it up in tips. That's unfair, and tups should just be done away with.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: jumpr
waitresses rely on tips to get above their meager $2.65 wage, or whatever they're paid.

I hate this line of reasoning to justify leaving 15%

A person is free to choose their profession in this country. If she has obligations which require a certain specific salary she should endeavor to gain employment which would secure it. I love a good waiter or waitress, they MAKE the meal I tip generously, however I NEVER feel OBLIGATED to leave 15%, because I'm not.

Would you rather pay 15 percent more for all your food and drinks and have absolutely no incentive for the waitresses to do a good job?

The whole tip model is archaic and should be done away with. Waitresses/waiters should do a good job because it's the right thing to do, and not so they can get more money. Retail stores that don't have commission seem to work just fine, with some people being pricks and some being great. But the ones who are great don't do it simply to get more money out of it. It's a sad day when people start thinking the only way to get good service is to bribe people.

Let's do away with the wage system as it is in general. Let's pay everybody the same amount regardless of whether they work or not or in what capacity. If there is no incentive than there is no dedication or pride in doing a good job(In soviet Russia waitress's stiff you). People on commission are more dedicated to their job and will do it better than those that get a certain amount regardless of whether they bust their ass or do the crappiest job imaginable.

Would you bust your ass day in and day out for the same wages as 3 co-workers that worked 2 hours out of an 8 hour shift?

Yes, I would, because I have self-respect. Sh!tty service is the symptom, it's not the disease. And commission also has a dark side, wherein they try to foist things off on people that they don't need in order to up their cut.

My only real problem with tips is that they pay waitresses far less than minimum wage expecting them to make it up in tips. That's unfair, and tups should just be done away with.

You would work 4 times as hard for the same wages as someone else every day? Can I have your resume??? 🙂

We are talking about waittressing, how much extra can they add to your plate? If you don't eat it you ask for a to go container and get another meal out of it. We are not talking about car salespeople.

As I said before ... you might work your butt off for you money, but I guarantee you that I could not find enough of people like you to field a wait staff were I to open a restaurant in which tips were not accepted and everyone was paid the same...Have to get some illegal aliens for that, hard finding the ones who speak good english as well. The quality of service would be abysmal and the restaurant would go under in less than a year.

 

[MattCo]

The thing that gets me is the person that works at an expensive restaraunt and gives you less quality service than one at a cheaper one. Why should their service be rewarded more just because they work at a pricey restaraunt? Why is it a freaking precentage!?! I am just going to start tipping a dollar amount reguardless of where I go, a certain amount for good service, a certain amount for so-so.


-MC

 

i always leave a tip..granted, 1 penny is not much of a tip, but you get what you earn. Yesterday at hooters, the waitress was excellent, when more people came she was right there, asking them what they wanted, food was timely, drinks were fast, and she was cute. Perfect...25% tip. Bill was 85 bucks.

Had one old lady glare at me a couple months back at a breakfast joint. I was with a friend, we are both 18. She was being snotty about everything, giving me attitude. So I left a buck for a tip, and that was a 20 dollar meal.

 

[brtspears2]

I went to some korean place, was pissed at the service. Left 5%. I charged it to my VISA.

I check a few days later, they charged the whole 5% i left.....and another 15%. I didn't agree to it and let the credit card company know. My receipt said x dollars and they charged me x+15%. CC company sent me a copy of the restarant copy of the tab, and long behold, they just voided the previous transaction, and charged whatever they felt like. They did this many times according to the CC company. Lets just say they become "cash only" like many other asian places.

 

Originally posted by: brtspears2
I went to some korean place, was pissed at the service. Left 5%. I charged it to my VISA.

I check a few days later, they charged the whole 5% i left.....and another 15%. I didn't agree to it and let the credit card company know. My receipt said x dollars and they charged me x+15%. CC company sent me a copy of the restarant copy of the recipe, and long behold, they just voided the previous transaction, and charged whatever they felt like. They did this many times according to the CC company. Lets just say they become "cash only" like many other asian places.

which is why I dont dine in at asian places. Fvcktards like that screw it up.

 

[tarheelmm]

Good Service=Good Tip

Bottom line. I dont care what they make. If you dont want to do your job and earn the money then find another profession.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Rudee
I doubt the Waitress demanded the 15%. The Waitress most likely confronted the patron in order to find out why they left the small tip, and the patron felt embarrased and coughed up the extra cash. The patron claimed this extra money was "forced" from them, but I hardly think that was the case.

I guess you should know, you were there. Or were you the crappy waitress?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: brtspears2
I went to some korean place, was pissed at the service. Left 5%. I charged it to my VISA.

I check a few days later, they charged the whole 5% i left.....and another 15%. I didn't agree to it and let the credit card company know. My receipt said x dollars and they charged me x+15%. CC company sent me a copy of the restarant copy of the recipe, and long behold, they just voided the previous transaction, and charged whatever they felt like. They did this many times according to the CC company. Lets just say they become "cash only" like many other asian places.

aint that illegal?

 

[JohnPaul]

I've stated my opinions on tipping before, but I will say it again. People who work for tips rely on being tipped at least 15%, since they only make half of minimum wage in most cases, whether it's a pizza driver, waitress, whatever. They should get tipped, UNLESS service is less than up to par, which in your case it was. IMO though, it's wrong to judge on how the food was cooked or how it tasted, since the cook gets paid well, and the waitress has nothing to do with how food is prepared and only translates what you order, so to punish her for something she has no control over is just wrong. I would have stiffed her totally had she given me bad service, and had she asked for more, I would have immediately gone to management and demand she be fired or I would threaten to take my business and all those who would listen to me elsewhere. Who did she think she was with her demands anyway? BITCH!!! That said, any proffesion which requires tips to make up for a low wage is hard work, and in most cases they DO deserve to be tipped, and I always tip well, unless of course the waitress or whoever the service is from is a jerk, as was in your case.

 

[LordJezo]

Originally posted by: JohnPaul
I've stated my opinions on tipping before, but I will say it again. People who work for tips rely on being tipped at least 15%, since they only make half of minimum wage in most cases, whether it's a pizza driver, waitress, whatever. They should get tipped, UNLESS service is less than up to par, which in your case it was. IMO though, it's wrong to judge on how the food was cooked or how it tasted, since the cook gets paid well, and the waitress has nothing to do with how food is prepared and only translates what you order, so to punish her for something she has no control over is just wrong. I would have stiffed her totally had she given me bad service, and had she asked for more, I would have immediately gone to management and demand she be fired or I would threaten to take my business and all those who would listen to me elsewhere. Who did she think she was with her demands anyway? BITCH!!! That said, any proffesion which requires tips to make up for a low wage is hard work, and in most cases they DO deserve to be tipped, and I always tip well, unless of course the waitress or whoever the service is from is a jerk, as was in your case.

Until it is made a law, I will not pay anyone anymore then they deserve based on service and quality of the resturant.

If they do not like being paid the amount the get paid I reccomend they leave and get a job someplace else that does not rely on tips.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: MattCo
The thing that gets me is the person that works at an expensive restaraunt and gives you less quality service than one at a cheaper one. Why should their service be rewarded more just because they work at a pricey restaraunt? Why is it a freaking precentage!?! I am just going to start tipping a dollar amount reguardless of where I go, a certain amount for good service, a certain amount for so-so.


-MC

This is why I usually leave more than 15% say if I was going to the waffle house or some sitdown place where the food is cheap but the service is excellent

 

[t0mmyb0y]

We are already supposed to TIP so the TIP is already included in the meal price. The incentive for waitresses to do a good job is to avoid getting fired, bad service makes customers never come back. I rarely if ever TIP 15%, 10% is more than fair and if I get bad service I don't leave a TIP.

You have obviously never known anyone who was a waitress. Besides making less than $3 an hour before taxes, they often have to tip the busboy and/or foodrunner out of the money they make. 10% should be the bare minimum, IMHO.

Simply saying "find another job" is a cop-out for cheap people who don't want to tip. Often times career waitresses know nothing else and would not be able to find another job anyway.

I've stated my opinions on tipping before, but I will say it again. People who work for tips rely on being tipped at least 15%, since they only make half of minimum wage in most cases, whether it's a pizza driver, waitress, whatever. They should get tipped, UNLESS service is less than up to par, which in your case it was. IMO though, it's wrong to judge on how the food was cooked or how it tasted, since the cook gets paid well, and the waitress has nothing to do with how food is prepared and only translates what you order, so to punish her for something she has no control over is just wrong. I would have stiffed her totally had she given me bad service, and had she asked for more, I would have immediately gone to management and demand she be fired or I would threaten to take my business and all those who would listen to me elsewhere. Who did she think she was with her demands anyway? BITCH!!! That said, any proffesion which requires tips to make up for a low wage is hard work, and in most cases they DO deserve to be tipped, and I always tip well, unless of course the waitress or whoever the service is from is a jerk, as was in your case.

Here, here. The service is the only thing a server can control. Don't punish him/her because you:

A) Didn't like what you ordered.
B) Didn't like the way your food was cooked.
C) Already spent $100 on a nice meal and don't really feel like leaving 15%. The server doesn't set the prices.

As you can tell I have a significant other who is paying her way through college on waitress tips. The horror stories I have heard from her about cheap-ass customers are ridculous. It's an antiquated system, but it's not going anywhere soon folks. I IMPLORE you to leave at least 10% and more if the server is good.

All that said, if the service is atrocious, then obviously she doesn't want her job anyway. Tell the management so they can get rid of her and hire someone who cares.

 

[LordJezo]

Originally posted by: t0mmyb0y
As you can tell I have a significant other who is paying her way through college on waitress tips. The horror stories I have heard from her about cheap-ass customers are ridculous. It's an antiquated system, but it's not going anywhere soon folks. I IMPLORE you to leave at least 10% and more if the server is good.

That's all fine and dandy, but, get a job as a cashier at Shop Rite if you don't like the tip system and those of us who will not leave a good tip if we don't like the resturant.

If I get crap food and I hate the way everything is cooked I will take it out of the tip. She represents the resturant. If she dosent like it she can work somewhere else

 

[Soybomb]

I just want to know why some people leave a penny, or two, or a dime, etc. Either leave a tip or don't, isn't the message clear?

Even in high school when I'd go out with friends to eat we'd leave an excellent tip for good service. Of course most high school kids don't get great service because its assumed they won't tip well if at all. One time we wound up getting up to get our own drinks, etc so we drew pictures of money on napkins. It was funny at the time.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: t0mmyb0y


You have obviously never known anyone who was a waitress. Besides making less than $3 an hour before taxes, they often have to tip the busboy and/or foodrunner out of the money they make. 10% should be the bare minimum, IMHO.

Simply saying "find another job" is a cop-out for cheap people who don't want to tip. Often times career waitresses know nothing else and would not be able to find another job anyway.

It is not my problem that they make less than $3 an hour (which by law they must make minimum wage if their tips are short). Nor is it my problem if they share their tips with busboys or food runners. I'm not in the business of making welfare payments. Because you choose to give people does not make me cheap for refusing to give those same people money.

TIPS is an ancronym that stands for To Insure Prompt Service. TIPS are not a legal obligation, if the eating establishment insists that their waitresses be paid then they should raise their wages. I will TIP what I feel is legitimate and not a penny more. The problems of waitresses have no bearing on my life. If they can't make a living doing what they are doing then that is THEIR problem, not mine.

 

[Haller]

I understand your frustration...but it really isn't worth freaking out over. What was it...four bucks, no big deal.

 

[SagaLore]

Call the restaurant manager and complain.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Me and a bunch of my friends were at Pizza Hut once and this lady, probably in her mid 50s asked us what we wanted to drink, brought our drinks back and never came back to ask if we wanted refills or anything. We saw her go the other tables and asked people if they wanted refills, but never came to us (we were in a big table in the middle of the restaurant too). We ate as much as we could off of the buffet and left a stack of plates about 30-35 plates high and put a cup on top with about 5 pennies in it.