sourceninja
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This fight proves YET again there is no one in the light heavy weight class worth watching to fight. Dana needs to get off his butt and get silva in the ring with chuck. If he doesn't bring in good talent soon to challenge chuck, they are going to lose a lot of fans. Chuck is a big bread winner.
As for this fight. It is for one purpose, to make Tito look like an actually contender so he can fight Chuck. Tito has had a questionable wins his last few fights and they are trying to make him look really good before chuck crushes his skull. The problem is everyone knows what will happen. Shamrock is too old to keep fighting, and tito is a good fighter and will stop him dead YET again. Unless the fight is a work, or shamrock gets a lucky punch, this fight will end in the first round by tito.
As for this fight. It is for one purpose, to make Tito look like an actually contender so he can fight Chuck. Tito has had a questionable wins his last few fights and they are trying to make him look really good before chuck crushes his skull. The problem is everyone knows what will happen. Shamrock is too old to keep fighting, and tito is a good fighter and will stop him dead YET again. Unless the fight is a work, or shamrock gets a lucky punch, this fight will end in the first round by tito.
are you kidding us, right? chuck (6'2) is 6 inches short (sylvia stands at 6'8.) also chuck doesn't pound on the ground so that would not benefit him a good fight with sylvia.
Early UFC was rubbish. It was more or less started by the gracies so they could prove how great they are. Yeah ok, they were great for a while, and they certainly changed the face of fighting and mixed martial arts forever. But none of them would dominate anywhere near the level that royce did in this day and age. Royce didn't have a lot of stamina. His fights rarely lasted more than 2 minutes. Except twice, and both times he looked like he was going to die of exhaustion. The sport has evolved leaps and bounds since those days.
there should not be a 3rd fight, the man is just going to get hurt for real this time. last time the stop was so appropriate.
waggy
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i agree. Tito had a questionable win over Forrest. hell i had Forrest winning it. was not suprised they had ortiz win though.
liddel ortize 2? fvck chuck is going to knock him out..again.
as for the Ortiz chamrock 3. who knows. More likely Ortiz is going to knock him out in the first round.
Fern
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I think Ken is too old. He just doesn't have the stamina/cardio to last very long. Age really afects that.
But Ken usually comes out throwing everything he has for at least a few minutes. IMHO, his only chance is to lucky and catch Tito with a real good KO punch very early in the fight. But I'm doubtful Ken can do it. Tito's too savy, he'll wear out Ken.
Chuck will make Tito his little b1tch again.
Yeah, Vanderlei against Chuck would be great.
But Ken usually comes out throwing everything he has for at least a few minutes. IMHO, his only chance is to lucky and catch Tito with a real good KO punch very early in the fight. But I'm doubtful Ken can do it. Tito's too savy, he'll wear out Ken.
Chuck will make Tito his little b1tch again.
Yeah, Vanderlei against Chuck would be great.
i don't even want to see silva vs chuck. whichever rules they use, that fighter will dominate. if it's in the cage, liddell will destroy him, if it's in a pride ring, silva will soccer kick his head :/
if anyone has a chance at the moment to beat liddell, it's tito...after that, i don't see anyone unless they bring in rampage or have vera cut down to 205...
if anyone has a chance at the moment to beat liddell, it's tito...after that, i don't see anyone unless they bring in rampage or have vera cut down to 205...
QueBert
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I watch UFC from time to time, too much rollin around on the ground, way to slow paced for me. Abbott's fights weather he won or lost never lasted long, but they were furious action from the second they started. Who in the UFC now has ever started a fight with a 3 point stance and a running leap at their oponent? Tank was awesome to watch because there was never dull moments in his bouts. His fight with Don Frye in my eyes was so much better then anything I've seen in UFC in ages. Was it short? hell yes, but exciting. And Royce didn't need Stamina because his submission skills were sick! To each his own, I just find the new breed of fighters to be either good, without anyone to really challenge them, or average, but look better because the competition sucks.
Tim Syliva is pretty fun to watch at times, Chuck is good, Tito is overrated, Shamrock is fvkcin old. The rest are very meeh.
Tito Ortiz is most likely going to dominate Shamrock...again.
Although I kind of like Ortiz, I don't think fighting Shamrock is proper training to fight Liddell. Liddell will most likely slaughter him.
Although I kind of like Ortiz, I don't think fighting Shamrock is proper training to fight Liddell. Liddell will most likely slaughter him.
Why do people prefer Pride fighting? I've seen a few on Fox and, imo, UFC is more exiciting to watch.
Are there some major rules differences?
Are there some major rules differences?
I don't think age has much to do with it. Randy Couture completely dominated Tito after Tito kept talking about Randy's age. Fast forward to the end of that fight, and Randy didn't even knock/tap Tito out when he could have- instead he literally spanked Tito and let him stand so he could show how easily he could take him down again.
Yeah its not exactly age, but comparing Couture to Shamrock is like apples and oranges. Personally I hope Shamrock rocks the crap out of Ortiz, just because it would be a lot more exciting then what happened in the last fight.
Explain why it's like apples and oranges. I always see people use that argument when they don't like a comparison, but they never substantiate it. Both Randy and Ken are older fighters in excellent condition.
yeah. pride fighting usually happens in japan, although they have an event in vegas coming soon i believe. they usually have a difficult time being sanctioned anywhere else because some of the rules they work with doesn't go over with athletic commissions...
in pride, you can kick/knee a downed opponent, soccer kick someone's head, and stomp someone while they're on the ground.
somewhat different fighting styles, but for the most part, pretty similar. each organization has extremly talented fighters. ufc's welterweight division (which is stacked) is often compared to pride's heavyweight division (which is also stacked).
i prefer the ufc, but like to watch pride occasionally and respect that organization. usually you'll find someone who hates UFC, but loves Pride or vice versa. that's what you call a nuthugger :/
You have already answered that with your own post but ok. Shamrock and Coutures fighting styles couldn't be more different. Admittedly they are both older fighters in excellent physical condition, and yet why doesnt Shamrock dominate Ortiz like Couture did? In my opinion, Couture is a more intelligent fighter while Shamrock is more of a rock'em sock'em type.
There is a MAJOR factor that people haven't mentioned here, and it's a reason why a lot of fighters won't come to the UFC:
Pride doesn't drug test, while UFC does. The UFC has to comply by the rules of the Nevada athletic commission, so any steroid using fighter (read: most of them) avoids the UFC.
Pride doesn't drug test, while UFC does. The UFC has to comply by the rules of the Nevada athletic commission, so any steroid using fighter (read: most of them) avoids the UFC.
I agree with that. I was just saying that the age itself isn't what makes Shamrock bad. Couture is much better at conserving energy, which is a major factor in fighting.
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