UFC 153: Silva vs. Bonnar (Today, 10/13)!

[LookBehindYou]

No. He was getting slapped around in Pride. It was only until he came to UFC and Dana started throwing these cans out at Silva that he started with his antics.

Slapped around in Pride?😕 Not sure what being "slapped around" means to you, but I'm pretty sure going 3-2 in Pride (both losses by sub, with one being the crazy flying heel hook and being 6-2 overall during the 3-2 pride run) is not really what people would call being "slapped around".

 

[MTDEW]

You call it cocky, I call it winning psychology. Ever hear Forrest talk about their fight? He mentions how Anderson just stood there with a look on his face that said "Did you really think you were going to hit me just now?" Nothing will steal your spirit faster than getting toyed with. Particularly when you are having it done while you are bringing your A game. Foremen talked about How Ali leaned on him and said in his ear 'Is that all you got George?" George said he thought to himself "Yep, that's about it." and he knew it was over for him.

It is cocky, but it is also more than that. And, it is a trademark of many great fighters. Sugar Ray, Ali, RJJ, Money, Sweet Pea, the list goes on of great fighters that were accused of being cocky showboaters.

That is certainly an interesting perspective I never considered.
I guess I'm just viewing from the perspective of a viewer and not the opponents perspective, which I would have to agree would give a psychological advantage.

Fighters have to EARN respect. It isn't just given out on a silver platter. Bonner is horrible and doesn't deserve to be in the ring with Silva. And Silva treated him as such. It's as simple as that.

How about this idea, instead of getting these shitty TUF fighters, how about Dana scout talent around the world and bring them to the UFC. Instead he just picks these shitty fighters that aren't really great at anything, and when Silva mops the floor with all of them people proclaim, "there is just no one around for Silva to fight." The fact is, there ARE great fighters out there, but Dana is not interested in bringing the best to the UFC. You want a bad ass stand up fighter, start pulling guys from K-1. Guaranteed Silva won't be clowning those guys. He'll probably go for the shoot IMMEDIATELY, but he won't be clowning them standing up.

I'm not taking anything away from Silva. He is one of the greatest fighters in UFC history, but the lack of talent in the UFC is the reason we're seeing a freakin' mismatch Silva vs Bonnar fight. JJ is the ONLY guy I see that would be a good match up for Silva. And if he beats JJ, there is no one else that will give him a challenge. But that won't stop Dana from charging for mismatch fights. 😡

I think i answered the "respect" thing in the above reply already, it comes down to perspective of what is respect vs what is gaining an advantage over your opponent.

Im certainly not gonna knock Bonner for stepping up to help save the event, but yeah, he's never been the same same class of fighter as Silva regardless of weight / size.

And you obviously have more knowledge of fighters outside the UFC than i personally do ,since i only see UFC, Strikeforce and some other MMA fight league i cannot seem to remember at random times when i happen to catch them on.

I'm sure there is some great talent out there and i don't see why Dana would not pursue that talent for the UFC, since it would only make their events more appealing and keep the PPV revenue up.
So i wonder why he doesn't , i have have no idea either.
But i don't think anyone disagrees that the UFC is lacking in "elite talent" right now.
Which in turn does make an "elite fighter" like Silva stand out even more so against the current UFC lineup.

But we certainly cannot deny that Silva, JBJ and Pierre have been UFC standouts that beg for more elite competition in the UFC to keep the events interesting.
That and IMO having too many PPVs no longer makes the events feel special and forces more bad match-ups to constantly fill the PPV cards.
As opposed to less "quality" match-ups in less frequent PPVs.

 

[Wingznut]

How about this idea, instead of getting these shitty TUF fighters, how about Dana scout talent around the world and bring them to the UFC. Instead he just picks these shitty fighters that aren't really great at anything, and when Silva mops the floor with all of them people proclaim, "there is just no one around for Silva to fight." The fact is, there ARE great fighters out there, but Dana is not interested in bringing the best to the UFC. You want a bad ass stand up fighter, start pulling guys from K-1. Guaranteed Silva won't be clowning those guys. He'll probably go for the shoot IMMEDIATELY, but he won't be clowning them standing up.

It takes more than being a "bad ass stand up fighter" to be successful in the UFC. Take any K-1 fighter and put him in the UFC, and Bonner would beat him. UNLESS, said K-1 fighter trained MMA for years. And that would take a lot of ambition on their part, more than just a recruiting trip from Dana.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It takes more than being a "bad ass stand up fighter" to be successful in the UFC. Take any K-1 fighter and put him in the UFC, and Bonner would beat him. UNLESS, said K-1 fighter trained MMA for years. And that would take a lot of ambition on their part, more than just a recruiting trip from Dana.

Agreed. Jack understands that too though. He is saying that Anderson would likely look for the takedown early, because of their stand up skills. His point being, that the overall level of striking in the UFC is less than stellar. I agree with him for the most part.

Many fight MT style, but lack the years of hardcore training that make it so effective. The result is they frequently telegraph their power strikes, and tend to have relatively slow execution to compound the issue.

It is comparable to college guys coming into the NFL. Most talk about how fast the game is the first year or 2, and about how it starts to slow down for them after that. Sophisticated strikers like Machida, Anderson, and Aldo, are the NFL vets, most the other fighters are the rookies. The speed of the game is perceived differently. And only considerable experience at the level will close the gap. Most these guys just are not consistently working with strikers that good, or are still early on in the process. Many are never going to cut it at that level, just like most guys never make it out of training camp.

Fortunately, we all know they have different paths they can follow to success in MMA. But, when that superior striker also has excellent takedown defense, submission defense, and ability to stand back up when taken down; you can find yourself forced to strike with them. And that rarely ends well.

 

[Olikan]

Many fight MT style, but lack the years of hardcore training that make it so effective. The result is they frequently telegraph their power strikes, and tend to have relatively slow execution to compound the issue.

yes, pretty much this...you don't really need to make a "strong" atack, it needs to be fast...
a fast punch cause impact on hit, a slow punch "pushes" on hit...

that's why, the yearly days of Muay Thai, it didn't had weight restriction
a punch of fat guy don't cause much effect than a punch of slim-more-trained guy

 

[bfdd]

MTDEW, I think it's because Silva goes in there with a different mindset. It's almost like he's trying to dance, not fight. Also, people keep talking about his head movement but leave out his exceptional shoulder and hip movement. Watch him roll and rotate his shoulders in order to help soften a blow or slip it. He uses his shoulders a lot more than people realize to avoid the blunt of getting hit. Really a skillful fighter who seems to be approaching MMA in a much different way than others.